Vaccine hesitancy grows ahead of Thailand's mass inoculation rollout

[GreasyFingers]

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

"In The Road to Ruin, Rickards propagates the idea which was first articulated by the Indian economist Arvind Kumar in the Indian newspaper Daily News and Analysis and which rang the alarm bells that the combination of negative interest rates and cashless currency was a design to destroy the savings of people.^[12] The book also promulgates the conspiracy theory that "global elites" are using the "hobby horse" of climate change to advance a "new world order" that includes a global currency."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Rickards

Why am I not surprised?

So you are not a fan of Klaus Schwab.

[shackleton]

I will be more happy once they sort out what us happening with Farangs getting the vaccines

Changes like the wind  on who when and what vaccine????

[gearbox]

3 hours ago, Phaser said:

I do not know one Thai or foreigner that wants Sinovac- not one. 

Yeah..right. Should I believe you, or believe my eyes? This is one of the four vaccination places in Samui 8:30 this morning:

 

 

[robertson468]

The real sad issue is that the Thai population have lost confidence in the Government and feel there is a hidden agenda in many things that they do, including the vaccine programme.  They unfortunately only have themselves (the Government) to blame because of their inefficiency in getting the vaccine, the very poor app on which to apply, people being turned away because of an inability to register and on and on the detrimental issues go.  Very sad with a very confused population!

[Rolander]

15 hours ago, Antonymous said:

Covid vax hesitancy is mainly the result of lack of openness on the part of the Govt and the pharma companies in explaining clearly, backed by statistical sources that are credible, what side effects and fatalities have been recorded for each of the vaxes that are available (or may be made available in Thailand in the near future). Alongside that an explanation is needed of the risks involved for people with certain medical conditions, by age and gender.

 

Instead the risks are being systematically downplayed and worse, anybody who asks for the data or points out the known risks is labeled an ‘anti-vaxxer’, an ‘idiot’, or a lot worse. Huge sums of money are being poured into propaganda messages that aim to marginalize what has clearly become the MAJORITY opinion, also known as ‘vaccine hesitancy’.

 

In the USA the White House announced earlier this month that 100 million people were fully vaccinated. The highest estimate I have read so far is that 37% of the US population has been vaccinated. As vaxes are readily available in the US, that means that as many as 63% are hesitant there too.

 

Despite attempts to try to turn these numbers into a political issue, it is clear that Covid vax hesitancy is driven by other factors altogether. For example in the US 40% of the population identifies as Republican and according to a recent poll reported in The Hill, only 30% of Republicans said they would not get the vax. So at a stretch that equates to only 12% of American vax hesitants that might be accused of political motives in that decision.

 

In any case, vax hesitancy is found in other countries with no interest in US politics and that includes Thailand and Thai people.

 

All over the world it is those who are independent thinkers and who value freedom of thought and information, who are most likely to ask questions and to hold back if they are not getting the answers that reassure them. It is the conformist thinkers, those who favour authoritarianism, who are most likely to accept the Govt wishes unquestioningly. I see this often in the views expressed by certain posters on TV.

I have a lot of family and many friends in the US .

Not one of these +- 15 people  are willing to take vaccines for the China virus.

[whaleboneman]

14 hours ago, JamieM said:

Yep they forgot quite fast all the westerners that donated lots of money and came to help save their lives and clean up after the tsunami didn't they? 

 

Oh and the specialist cave divers from all over the world that came to save the kids from the cave. 

 

No. It's just "farrang no good. Farrang smell etc etc" even from the highest levels of government.

 

 

ya, but they do have a point...try putting on their flipflops for 5 minutes.

[whaleboneman]

6 minutes ago, Rolander said:

I have a lot of family and many friends in the US .

Not one of these +- 15 people  are willing to take vaccines for the China virus.

great - survival of the fittest then.

[caughtintheact]

Have fun with this one.

On 9 May 2021 a woman in Italy got a 6X overdose of the Pfizer vaccine. She was released from a hospital on Monday 10 May without having suffered any apparent adverse reactions.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-six-doses-distracted-nurse/

 

On 20 April 2021 prison over 70 inmates in Iowa were given a 6x overdose of the Pfizer vaccine and "...none became ill enough to need hospitalization..."

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/77-inmates-iowa-prison-overdoses-covid-19-vaccine/story?id=77237044

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/77-inmates-at-iowa-prison-are-given-up-to-six-times-the-normal-dose-of-pfizer-covid-vaccine-investigation-pledged/ar-BB1fUlTj

 

In late 2020, however, Covid vaccine 'overdose' five times a normal jab put home care workers in hospital. But no indications that the consequences were serious.

BioNtech (Pfizer) has previously said that larger doses were tested in the Phase 1 study without serious consequences.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/coronavirus-vaccine-overdose-puts-care-23230693

Edited May 26, 2021 by caughtintheact
Initially posted before completion

[khunjeff]

The hesitancy isn't totally surprising, since the government has been loudly talking about the chance of side effects rather than educating people about how uncommon (and usually minor) those effects are.

 

A few months back, they said they would only give shots in hospitals with resuscitation facilities in case people collapsed after being vaccinated (that has since gone by the wayside). Then, they said that pricing on vaccines for private hospitals was still in flux because the hospitals had to meet with insurance companies to get policies covering treatment for side effects included in the price for the inoculation. A few days ago, they announced how much people would be paid if they lost a limb as a result of the shot, and how much their families would get if they died.

 

I'm sure someone thought this was all somehow reassuring, but they were wrong.

[fleccer]

Vaccine hesitancy among Thai people. Really? What strange  

Edited May 26, 2021 by fleccer

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46 minutes ago, GreasyFingers said:

Like most posters here on TVF.

Which I why I don't cite other posters as authorities on the subject. Whereas you...

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42 minutes ago, GreasyFingers said:

So you are not a fan of Klaus Schwab.

Certainly not a fan of climate change conspiracy theorists.

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1 hour ago, bougnat said:

Confidence will return when vaccines are effective and without major side effects. At best not before 2022.

Today there are more recurrences in vaccine patients than ipeople  recovered from Covid. Conclusion, the best protection is illness.

 

Unless it kills you or leaves you permanently impaired. Bizarre to take as your baseline those who have recovered.

[Rimmer]

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22 minutes ago, Rolander said:

I have a lot of family and many friends in the US .

Not one of these +- 15 people  are willing to take vaccines for the China virus.

And what's even more amazing not one of them voted for Trump!

[noone223]

Vaccine it isn't, it is an experimental jab.

This jab is not FDA approved, it's due to an "emergency state" .

It isn't past phase 3 trials yet, and most experts know this.

It is no vaccine hesitancy, it's a human experiment hesitancy.

P.S

You also waive your rights to sue the pharma company

In case your brain gets blood clots.

Not to mention, legally speaking :

Your life insurance can get disabled for participating in this experiment.

But by all means, go a head and get it.

Edited May 26, 2021 by noone223

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3 minutes ago, noone223 said:

Vaccine it isn't, it is an experimental jab.

This jab is not FDA approved, it's due to an "emergency state" .

It isn't past phase 3 trials yet, and most experts know this.

It is no vaccine hesitancy, it's a human experiment hesitancy.

P.S

You also waive your rights to sue the pharma company

In case your brain gets blood clots.

Not to mention, legally speaking :

Your life insurance can get disabled for participating in this experiment.

But by all means, go a head and get it.

PFIZER AND BIONTECH CONCLUDE PHASE 3 STUDY OF COVID-19 VACCINE CANDIDATE, MEETING ALL PRIMARY EFFICACY ENDPOINTS

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-conclude-phase-3-study-covid-19-vaccine

 

Looking beyond COVID-19 vaccine phase 3 trials

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01230-y

 

Fact check: COVID-19 vaccine won't jeopardize your life insurance coverage

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/05/23/fact-check-covid-19-vaccine-wont-jeopardize-life-insurance-coverage/5203188001/

[Harveyboy]

14 hours ago, covidiot said:

Offer them 50% off bar fines !!

 

50% ill go for that ... where's the vax

[connda]

3 hours ago, hotchilli said:

Only another 60 million to go then.... not even a mention about the second jab.

 

The top brass are all too busy gathering in a Hi-So scrum with Thailand's Dr. Fauci - The Dapper Dr Yong - planning Thailand's roll-out of the much anticipated Third Covid Vaccine Booster as vaccine manufacturers and distributors rub their hands together in glee at the prospects of steady, unending Covid revenue streams and profits.  There's no profits in Jabs 1 & 2, but come Jabs 3 and beyond is all cash-cow profits.  Even better for said stakeholders if, with The Dapper Dr. Yong's expert advice, the top brass decide to make all Covid vaccinations mandatory including all future boosters.
Cha-Ching!!!  Jack-Pot!  <cue ringing bells, flashing lights>

[Rulie]

Vaccine hesitancy is perfectly supported, in my view, do the lack of information on these trial vaccines. We need more information on the efficacy and short and long term side effects. I expect we will have a lot more information in 6 months to a years. What is the hurry with a disease that has a 99.5 survival rate.

[Antonymous]

31 minutes ago, caughtintheact said:

Have fun with this one.

On 9 May 2021 a woman in Italy got a 6X overdose of the Pfizer vaccine. She was released from a hospital on Monday 10 May without having suffered any apparent adverse reactions.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-six-doses-distracted-nurse/

 

On 20 April 2021 prison over 70 inmates in Iowa were given a 6x overdose of the Pfizer vaccine and "...none became ill enough to need hospitalization..."

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/77-inmates-iowa-prison-overdoses-covid-19-vaccine/story?id=77237044

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/77-inmates-at-iowa-prison-are-given-up-to-six-times-the-normal-dose-of-pfizer-covid-vaccine-investigation-pledged/ar-BB1fUlTj

 

In late 2020, however, Covid vaccine 'overdose' five times a normal jab put home care workers in hospital. But no indications that the consequences were serious.

BioNtech (Pfizer) has previously said that larger doses were tested in the Phase 1 study without serious consequences.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/coronavirus-vaccine-overdose-puts-care-23230693

This drummed up 'news' that you have cited from the Daily Mirror, CBS and ABC is exactly the type of propaganda that is designed to mislead the public. Meanwhile scientists are publishing one study after another that reveal potential issues with Covid vaccines that are NOT getting aired in the MSM. Why is that? Well one reason could be that outside of election times, pharmaceutical companies are the biggest funders of the MSM.

 

Regarding mRNA vaccines, there are many issues that we need to be made aware of and I'm glad to see that more are being reported now as more data is available for analysis. This is exactly what is supposed to happen during trial periods of new drugs and vaccines.

 

For example it is not only seniors reported dying after receiving their mRNA vaccinations. The fact is that many young, healthy people have reported serious adverse reactions or even died within hours or days of being vaxed. This has been highlighted in a report this month published in Science, Public Health Policy, and The Law Volume 2: 59–80 May, 2021 here:

https://cf5e727d-d02d-4d71-89ff-9fe2d3ad957f.filesusr.com/ugd/adf864_a6420942982e4d8795949af93e44f57d.pdf

 

From the Abstract:

“This work summarizes this data (VAERS) to date and serves as information for the public and a reminder of the relevance of any adverse events, including deaths, that occur as a direct result of biologicals as prophylactic treatments. This is especially relevant in the context of technologically novel treatments in the experimental phase of development. Analysis suggests that the vaccines are likely the cause of reported deaths, spontaneous abortions, anaphylactic reactions and cardiovascular, neurological and immunological AEs.

 

Among the conclusions is the following warning:

“Thus, due to both the problems of under-reporting and the lag in report processing, this analysis reveals a strong signal from the VAERS data that the risk of suffering an SAE following injection is significant and that the overall risk signal is high. Analysis suggests that the vaccines are likely the cause of reported deaths, spontaneous abortions and anaphylactic reactions in addition to cardiovascular, neurological and immunological AEs.

 

Based on the precautionary principle, since there is currently no precedent for predictability with regards to long-term effects from mRNA injections, extreme care should be taken when making a decision to participate in this experiment. mRNA platforms are new to humans with regard to mass injection programs in the context of viruses. There is currently no way to predict potential detrimental outcomes with regards to SAE occurrences in the long-term. Also, with regards to short-term analysis, this data is limited based on reporting that likely significantly underestimates actual events.”

 

[malibukid]

1 hour ago, GreasyFingers said:

Like most posters here on TVF.

 agreed, i have studied and understand the science.  i am hopeful that the lessons learned in producing the new mRNA vaccines will usher in a new era of applied science and cures for other diseases.  this could will be the last global pandemic. if there is such a thing as a silver lining this would be it.  not to justify 3 million deaths.

[connda]

3 hours ago, malibukid said:

some of the same people who are hesitant in taking the vaccine are the same people who like to gorge on junk food.  

 

3 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

 

Love it when odd, random thoughts pop into someone's head and they feel like sharing.

 

 

Two comments:

 

1. People trust McDonald's more than the government

 

2. Fast food is easier to find than a vaccine

 

 

Carry on.

 

 

 

You see this often with those who can only see one side of the coin. 
If they can not convince the "vaccine hesitant" to take the jabs by just telling them that it's completely safe and effective, then you proceed to disparage the people:
"Junk-food gorgers", "morons", <add slams and smears here> (I've heard and read a lot of slams and smears). 
Sad as well as ineffective.
Most of these people are thinking people who have legitimate questions that can not be answered by "experts" and politicians blindly stating,
"Trust Us!  We Know What's Best For You."   <----- There - there lies the disconnect and it is exactly what is not addressed by "experts", politicians, and "vaccine hesitant" bashers. 
People don't trust credentials - they want science based answers to explain the adverse effects of vaccines. 
Instead they are maligned, called names and told to shut their brains off, trust the experts, and submit.  Which in turn inspires zero confidence.  It's a vicious circle.
 

[LivinLOS]

19 hours ago, DirtyHarry55 said:

 

So only 66% confident in the AstraZeneca shot so what about Sinovac no numbers published? That would be interesting.
In any case as soon as AstraZeneca is available I'll happily take it compared to Sinovac which I wouldn't take if they paid me. One thing I've noticed they always try and merge Sinovac and Astrazeneca in any PR propaganda news.

 

 

Kind of an odd position.. Because while Sinovac has questionable efficacy its also fairly 'safe' in lacking side effects and health concerns.. AZ on the other had is the one which is resulting in blood clots (a mate of mine lost his leg right after his AZ shot), side effects, etc etc.. SinoVac / Coronavac are standard 'inactived virus' immunizations of the kind humans have used for decades. Most concerns seem to stem from the mRNA style vaccines due to the new and untested nature of the treatments. 

 

[spidermike007]

Prayuth is not only showing an extreme absence of leadership at this point, he is spoiling everything he touches. Same applies to the "so called health minister" Anutin. It would have been far better to keep him away from anything related to vaccines, covid, etc. The level of distrust in this administration and in them, grows by the day. So, get someone competent and trustworthy in charge, and the people just might believe. 

 

They are despised like never before. Thailand has no hope of ever moving forward, while the dinosaurs are still in charge. Get out. Get out now. Let the youth of the nation have their turn. Resign now!

[placnx]

2 hours ago, sandyf said:

What about the millions around the world that have been extremely grateful to the Chinese. This figure is for Sinovac, the Chinese are also providing Sinopharm to many countries.

 

Sinovac has already shipped some 380 million doses, more than AstraZeneca Plc and second only to Pfizer Inc. worldwide.  https://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/world-accepts-china-s-covid-19-vaccine-as-study-shows-its-effectiveness-121051300213_1.html

 

The Chinese are looking to results rather than unsubstantiated opinion. It is entirely up to them how much data from the clinical trials they wish to release. Time will tell, it usually does.

 

A study of some 128,000 Jakarta health workers released Wednesday found Sinovac’s vaccine -- known as CoronaVac -- was far more protective than clinical trials had indicated. 

https://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/world-accepts-china-s-covid-19-vaccine-as-study-shows-its-effectiveness-121051300213_1.html

 

The Chinese vaccines among others, are based on established methods whereas the Pfizer and Moderna method has no long term history whatsoever.

People should be careful what they wish for.

The thing about traditional vaccines - it's hit or miss. Something like 90% of such vaccine candidates fail in trials. Sinovac & Sinopharm have not been approved in the West. Trial data has not been disclosed, so only Sinovac & Sinopharm people have any idea what might happen if that data were available - approval or outright rejection by the West.

[Antonymous]

3 minutes ago, connda said:

 

You see this often with those who can only see one side of the coin. 
If they can not convince the "vaccine hesitant" to take the jabs by just telling them that it's completely safe and effective, then you proceed to disparage the people:
"Junk-food gorgers", "morons", <add slams and smears here> (I've heard and read a lot of slams and smears). 
Sad as well as ineffective.
Most of these people are thinking people who have legitimate questions that can not be answered by "experts" and politicians blindly stating,
"Trust Us!  We Know What's Best For You."   <----- There - there lies the disconnect and it is exactly what is not addressed by "experts", politicians, and "vaccine hesitant" bashers. 
People don't trust credentials - they want science based answers to explain the adverse effects of vaccines. 
Instead they are maligned, called names and told to shut their brains off, trust the experts, and submit.  Which in turn inspires zero confidence.  It's a vicious circle.
 

 

Yes that's right.

 

Intelligent people who dare to question the prevailing narrative regarding the Covid vax rollout are being maligned and misidentified as anti-vaxxers in order to silence and ridicule them, when in fact they provide a positive and important role in bringing suppressed news to everyone's attention. Without this information we cannot make an 'informed choice'.

 

It is morally egregious to demand and coerce 'consent'.

 

 

[Rulie]

2 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Prayuth is not only showing an extreme absence of leadership at this point, he is spoiling everything he touches. Same applies to the "so called health minister" Anutin. It would have been far better to keep him away from anything related to vaccines, covid, etc. The level of distrust in this administration and in them, grows by the day. So, get someone competent and trustworthy in charge, and the people just might believe. 

 

They are despised like never before. Thailand has no hope of ever moving forward, while the dinosaurs are still in charge. Get out. Get out now. Let the youth of the nation have their turn. Resign now!

To my way of thinking, I am happy he is slowing down the vaccinations, whether on purpose or by accident, as it allows everyone more time to access the effectiveness and side effects of these trial vaccines

[connda]

4 minutes ago, Rulie said:

I find it strange that where the vaccines have been rolled out we find an increase in the number of infection, there are a few exception, but for the most part countries that have vaccinated have seen an increase in cases. Are they calling these new strains because its true or are they covering something up. We need more time to answer this and other questions in regards to vaccines still in trial.

Case in point.  "The Most Vaccinated Country In The World" - The Seychelles.  Yet the country is being ravaged with new cases. 
"Experts" tell the concerned, "Don't worry, it's nothing!  Just get your shots!"  Again, that monolithic thinking neither answers questions nor does in inspire confidence.
Then people refuse to give informed consent because they are perceiving disparities between what industry "experts" say and what they themselves are witnessing. 

[connda]

8 minutes ago, Rulie said:

To my way of thinking, I am happy he is slowing down the vaccinations, whether on purpose or by accident, as it allows everyone more time to access the effectiveness and side effects of these trial vaccines

Good point!