Physicians urge for strict measures, no long holidays, before reopening Thailand

[dallen52]

When has it mattered what the public thinks?

TIT.

[Cake Monster]

4 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

End of July a long holiday for stimulating domestic tourism , same as Songkran.. and also as dangerous as Songkran for spreading of the new strains

The Government really need to cancel this Holiday now, or at least put up a Nationwide Travel Ban.

With the Delta ( Indian ) Variant of Covid starting to gain strong ground, and the South African Variant also making some ground in the South, any long Holidays such as the Songkran Holiday will spell disaster for any October opening of the Country to Tourists.

But I am sure insanity will rule the Day in search of Money for the Government coffers.

[LivinLOS]

6 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

What's worrying for Thailand is they now have 1436 people in serious condition. That's at least another 6 weeks of 30 a day deaths if they all cop it without even adding any more criticals.

 

Think it safe to say Thailand will be posting daily deaths of 25-30 for well over the next 120 days , unless something seriously changes in reporting or the vaccine roll out.

 

Your confident it stays that low ??

Community cases (outside prisons) have gone 2k 2.5k 3k and quickly to 4k over a matter of a couple of weeks. 

 

If they dont get a grip on that fast (as they relax restrictions, allow drinking in restaurants, etc) thats going to go 5 8 10k into July.. 

 

 

[LivinLOS]

3 hours ago, Classic Ray said:

Since no one in Government seems concerned about 60+ deaths daily on the roads, I don’t think they will worry about 30+ extra until it starts to affect hiso families, most of whom will already have been vaccinated. While it’s only peasants, more important to get the money rolling back into the pockets.

 

While generally I agree with you.. Road deaths dont have the potential exponential rise.. 

Its very very easy to see 30 become 50 become 200.. Then its eclipsing road deaths.. Plus the vast majority of road deaths are bike riders, who are.. you know.. poor.. So who cares is the general mindset. 

[D M G]

Must - Have - Zero - Covid

[monty1412]

6 hours ago, nkg said:

 

 

I take it all the members of RCPT have jobs. Perhaps they would like to contribute some of their salaries to help the millions out of work following the collapse of Thailand's tourism industry. No?

 

There's a surprise.

 

what a strange comment...would you rather they dont have jobs ?.. at a time where the government needs direction and guidance the RCPT seems to be making sense  and providing this yet you seem to have some issue with this  Personally I saw this  post and direction the RCPT have suggested as being one of the more enlightened posts we have seen 

[shackleton]

The answer is to vaccinate all in Thailand first or at least 70%

Before thinking of the foreign Tourist dollar????

 

We will find out this July with the Phuket sandbox how many tourists will actually arrive ????

Domestic tourism  seems to be working okay at the moment 

 

[fleccer]

Ok let's put the scientists in the pilot's seat and politics step aside

Edited June 22, 2021 by fleccer

[Lacessit]

37 minutes ago, D M G said:

Must - Have - Zero - Covid

I really don't think that is achievable, it hasn't been even in countries such as Australia and New Zealand, where despite total lockdown cases keep popping up.

Best path forward is complete vaccination. That is not achievable either, given the presence of anti-vaxxers. Having said that, such people can maintain their beliefs at a cost, which may include inability to travel, or discrimination in employment.

[connda]

This has become ludicrous.

I vote that we keep Thailand fully closed and sealed until 2023. Really.  No kidding.

[Naturesway]

There is only one simple way to investigate the source and the location of virus it’s in their head in their brain and that’s very contagious to make anyone dumb and silly of the entire society. Thailand is lucky to have a great location climate and nature but kinda unlucky to have the biggest collection of a bunch of idiots. 

[Purdey]

One can only imagine the mental gymnastics going on in government house. "It is declining, let's open up. Oh, it is rising again, close down. Let's test it by opening  - damn, it's going up again. People don't have the wherewithal to survive a long lockdown. Yes, we know if the first lockdown had lasted and people not broken the rules it might be over but let's not dwell on the past. Let's open, close, open, close and so on.

"They just can't afford to live without jobs. If only we could pay them enough to live while they stay at home. I have an idea!

Let's buy submarines instead."

[Bundooman]

3 hours ago, Strongheart said:

Well, that's your opinion. Maybe you should inform yourself better to get a more educated view of the situation.

If that's your opinion. Maybe you should inform yourself better to get a more educated view of the situation.

 

Another 'expert' still in denial!

 

Prissy little know it alls - always find one on any forum.

You know, the forums that are there for views and differing opinions.

[BernieOnTour]

3 hours ago, NorthernRyland said:

I estimate Thailand has a little under 500k deaths per year. Are we sure these people were not very elderly and going to die soon anyways from natural causes? 30 deaths a day is only 10k/year, a tiny fraction of all deaths.

 

just to be a little bit more precise and put the numbers into relation ...

 

General data:

Population: 69,800,000

Average annual death rate: 7.8 / 1,000

Current number of cumulated Covid deaths: 1,658

 

With these 3 figures, you can easily calculate these:

 

Average number of deaths per annum in Thailand : 544,440

Average number of deaths per day in Thailand: 1,492

 

Percentage of Covid deaths in relation to the whole population: 0.00237 %

 

How many days of average deaths are equivalent to the cumulated Covid deaths?: ~ 1,111 = ~ 1 day, 3 hours

Edited June 22, 2021 by BernieOnTour

[kennw]

8 hours ago, nkg said:

 

 

I take it all the members of RCPT have jobs. Perhaps they would like to contribute some of their salaries to help the millions out of work following the collapse of Thailand's tourism industry. No?

 

There's a surprise.

 

What surprises me is that some people rather selfishly put money before peoples lives

[placeholder]

 

5 hours ago, riverhigh said:

Just another example of "the white elephant in the room". What does it matter what "effective and clear" measures you put in place when you are so far behind in the vaccine rollout. Focus should be  on procuring covid vaccines. I was at Jomtien Beach last Sunday and it was packed with Thais piled on each other, trying to escape the heat in the shaded areas. This idea of enforcing rules to control spread of infections is neither a practical nor workable solution. IMHO, vaccinne is the only way out.

Outdoors transmission is a lot less likely than indoors. Particularly by the sea since aerosols are unlikely to linger.

[MrJ2U]

8 hours ago, nkg said:

 

 

I take it all the members of RCPT have jobs. Perhaps they would like to contribute some of their salaries to help the millions out of work following the collapse of Thailand's tourism industry. No?

 

There's a surprise.

 

These are doctors advice.  The people who want to open up just have dollar signs in mind.  If it gets like India the problem will be much bigger than "millions of people out of work".

[BernieOnTour]

9 minutes ago, Bundooman said:

If that's your opinion. Maybe you should inform yourself better to get a more educated view of the situation.

 

Another 'expert' still in denial!

 

Prissy little know it alls - always find one on any forum.

You know, the forums that are there for views and differing opinions.

 

Well, I agree, normally he should prove that statement with more argumentation and citing sources - but you haven’t done that either, so let’s neglect that ...

 

Maybe, you both have become somewhat of an expert during the last ~ 17 months

... instead of just consuming spoon-fed TV and reading newspapers, digging into numbers and reading original scientific studies and papers.

 

If that’s the case, the evaluation of the available facts and evidence has led both of you to a different theory

- and „expert in denial“ is just an unfair trick to win over him without having to discuss.

 

Alas, if you would be an armchair warrior, just consuming spoon fed information from TV and (most of the) press

- then „expert in denial“ is a just a useless attack of a lazy, uninformed person following the recent trends.

 

 

... two of the best popular changes in trends, followed by attacking „experts in denial“   during he last 17 months are:

 

- masks do not help a lot / wear masks

- the Wuhan lab isn’t the source of the virus, it has been proven it’s from the wet market / there is considerable evidence, there was gain of function research and the virus escaped from the Wuhan lab

[mogandave]

It will never be safe and should never be opened back up.

[jacko45k]

17 minutes ago, placeholder said:

 

Outdoors transmission is a lot less likely than indoors. Particularly by the sea since aerosols are unlikely to linger.

What, like flotsam?

[placeholder]

43 minutes ago, BernieOnTour said:

 

just to be a little bit more precise and put the numbers into relation ...

 

General data:

Population: 69,800,000

Average annual death rate: 7.8 / 1,000

Current number of cumulated Covid deaths: 1,658

 

With these 3 figures, you can easily calculate these:

 

Average number of deaths per annum in Thailand : 544,440

Average number of deaths per day in Thailand: 1,492

 

Percentage of Covid deaths in relation to the whole population: 0.00237 %

 

How many days of average deaths are equivalent to the cumulated Covid deaths?: ~ 1,111 = ~ 1 day, 3 hours

What would those figures be if there were no measures taken to control Covid?

[placeholder]

6 minutes ago, Charlie Cabana said:

The economy is never going to open. If you know anything about Klaus Swab and his Great Reset, you understand this.

For a minute there I thought you were referencing some insane conspiracy theory but then I realized...oh wait a minute.

[DjSilver]

The cases and death in Thailand are low. They shouldn't have any restrictions unless they have had at least 7 million people with covid-19 or around 100k death of covid-19. 

[BernieOnTour]

25 minutes ago, placeholder said:

What would those figures be if there were no measures taken to control Covid?

 

ymmv ...  ????

 

nearly the same !

 

Just compare infection rates and deaths over the whole period, by comparing countries/states with hard lockdown measures versus those with low or nearly no measures.

eg.

Sweden versus UK

South Dakota versus North Dakota

 

 

Edited June 22, 2021 by BernieOnTour

[Kwaibill]

4 hours ago, NorthernRyland said:

I estimate Thailand has a little under 500k deaths per year. Are we sure these people were not very elderly and going to die soon anyways from natural causes? 30 deaths a day is only 10k/year, a tiny fraction of all deaths.

30 deaths per day is 10,950, not 10,000. You're off by nearly 10%.

Sorry, but that calls into question your other "estimates".

[BernieOnTour]

2 minutes ago, Kwaibill said:

30 deaths per day is 10,950, not 10,000. You're off by nearly 10%.

Sorry, but that calls into question your other "estimates".

 

Well, with :

 

an average number of deaths per annum in Thailand of 544,440,

(based on the avg. death rate per 1000)

 

10,950 of cause makes a huge difference to 10,000  ????

[placnx]

52 minutes ago, placeholder said:

 

Outdoors transmission is a lot less likely than indoors. Particularly by the sea since aerosols are unlikely to linger.

It's true that the beach is an unlikely place to catch Covid. The problem is getting there on any public transport and staying in airconditioned hotels, both conducive to infection. Last night Eric Feigl-Ding commented on al Jazeera on the infectiousness of the Indian variant. He cited a case of infection between people passing each other in a supermarket aisle. This was documented on video in the store. We just have to assume that a complete analysis was done to confirm this since he did not go into further details. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Feigl-Ding

 

It's really tragic that many governments in Asia did not advance order vaccines. Perhaps they didn't want to pay up front for unproven technology while they were weathering the first wave quite well. Now they are at the back of the line. Had there been more upfront demand, perhaps pharma would have built more production facilities as soon as Phase 2/3 trials were showing good results.

 

[placnx]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

 

Outdoors transmission is a lot less likely than indoors. Particularly by the sea since aerosols are unlikely to linger.

 

 

Edited June 22, 2021 by placnx
mouse caused repeat post

[sead]

Ok. So what does Physicians have to do with Covid19??  When did they become experts??

[onekoolguy]

When all is "perfect to reopen" and all the doctors etc are satisfied that everything is now safe, another virus will be there to take the place of this one.

Make plenty of vaccine available and just open up! People know to be careful and take precautions. This is just "Life" Things will never be perfect!