Protest leader Jatuporn Prompan to stay in prison for almost another year

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Thailand’s Supreme Court on Thursday upheld the appeal court’s decision requiring Jatuporn Prompan to continue to serve his prison sentence for another 11 months and 16 days, in the defamation lawsuit brought against him by former prime minister Abhisit Vejjajiva in 2009.

 

Jatuporn was faced with two different lawsuits, related to two speeches he gave during political demonstrations in 2009 and 2012. The courts found Jatuporn guilty of defamation of Mr. Abhisit in both cases and sentenced him to 12 months in prison on each conviction.

 

Jatuporn served the time for one of the cases and, in 2018, the first court mistakenly ordered that he was not required to serve time for the second.

 

Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/protest-leader-jatuporn-prompan-to-stay-in-prison-for-almost-another-year/

 

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[Justgrazing]

Diss' a politician with words only and you'll do time .. mow someone down in your supercar when off your face an' you can pay to get off with it .. welcome to the topsy turvy world of justice Thai style ..  

[ThailandRyan]

Silencing the man and creating a Martyr, brilliant idea.......

[hotchilli]

Vengeance Thai style.

[herfiehandbag]

Haven't managed to get him infected yet then?

[OneMoreFarang]

9 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

Haven't managed to get him infected yet then?

Let's hope for the best.

[internationalism]

he is not a protest leader, nothing connects him to ratsadon.

he is a royalist, to uphold status quo

[OneMoreFarang]

11 months only?

How about at least 11 years of jail for all the arson and looting in Bangkok in 2010? Never forget!

 

[bradiston]

Abhisit, big mate of Johnson and Cameron, a Geordie. Dual national, privileged, rich, but getting an opposition politician banged up for not one but 2 years for defamation? The British government should remove his citizenship.

[Scottie12]

I had no time for Jatuporn, Newin et al but we could do with them now.

[candide]

A try at letting Covid-19 do the work?

[AgMech Cowboy]

He said a lot of things and not all directed at an individual. IMO, throw away the key. He's where he belongs.

[bradiston]

33 minutes ago, candide said:

A try at letting Covid-19 do the work?

He did say he is prepared, having had his 2 jabs.

[bradiston]

3 minutes ago, AgMech Cowboy said:

He said a lot of things and not all directed at an individual. IMO, throw away the key. He's where he belongs.

I don't get your gripe.

[OneMoreFarang]

4 hours ago, Scottie12 said:

I had no time for Jatuporn, Newin et al but we could do with them now.

Do you want more fires or what's on your mind? 

[herfiehandbag]

7 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

11 months only?

How about at least 11 years of jail for all the arson and looting in Bangkok in 2010? Never forget!

 

Memory can be jolly selective - things like troops on the Skytain tracks shooting nurses and injured/sheltering civilians in temple grounds can so easily slip ones mind, don't you agree?

[OneMoreFarang]

9 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

Memory can be jolly selective - things like troops on the Skytain tracks shooting nurses and injured/sheltering civilians in temple grounds can so easily slip ones mind, don't you agree?

Yes, I agree, memory can be jolly selective.

 

I was in Bangkok in 2010. Every day the aggressive red-<deleted>s on the streets who behaved like they owned the town. Huge barricades with tires (which were later burnt). And if anybody like me needed to go to an area near Central World I had a ask the red-shirts at the barricades if they let me in.

Police? They did nothing, absolutely nothing! All tomato-police.

 

And because the tomato police did nothing the situation got worse and worse. And Thaksin obviously needed those red-<deleted>s to demand "his" money back.

Abhisit had a lot of patience, too much patience for many. And finally Abhisit told the red-<deleted>s to go home. He had busses ready to bring them home. Free of charge, no charges for occupying Bangkok for months, a free ride home.

But the red-shirts obviously preferred to follow their criminal leader and they stayed.

And then, finally, the army moved in to remove the illegal occupation of the town. The red-shirts still could go home. They still could ride home on those busses for free. But they didn't do that. They burned down a big part of the inner city. They looted the city, the story goes on and on and on.

 

The military didn't have to come if the red-shirts would have peacefully gone home. All the dead people happened because of the illegal red-shirt occupation. I am really sad that good soldiers died doing their job.

 

Yes, I agree, some things seems to easily slip out of the minds of some people.

I saw the fires and smoke for days. I heard the explosions and the gunfire. No, I won't forget those months until the end of my life.

And that's what should happen with Jatuporn and the other leaders and their big boss. They should be rotting in jail for the rest of their lives.

[herfiehandbag]

3 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Yes, I agree, memory can be jolly selective.

 

I was in Bangkok in 2010. Every day the aggressive red-<deleted>s on the streets who behaved like they owned the town. Huge barricades with tires (which were later burnt). And if anybody like me needed to go to an area near Central World I had a ask the red-shirts at the barricades if they let me in.

Police? They did nothing, absolutely nothing! All tomato-police.

 

And because the tomato police did nothing the situation got worse and worse. And Thaksin obviously needed those red-<deleted>s to demand "his" money back.

Abhisit had a lot of patience, too much patience for many. And finally Abhisit told the red-<deleted>s to go home. He had busses ready to bring them home. Free of charge, no charges for occupying Bangkok for months, a free ride home.

But the red-shirts obviously preferred to follow their criminal leader and they stayed.

And then, finally, the army moved in to remove the illegal occupation of the town. The red-shirts still could go home. They still could ride home on those busses for free. But they didn't do that. They burned down a big part of the inner city. They looted the city, the story goes on and on and on.

 

The military didn't have to come if the red-shirts would have peacefully gone home. All the dead people happened because of the illegal red-shirt occupation. I am really sad that good soldiers died doing their job.

 

Yes, I agree, some things seems to easily slip out of the minds of some people.

I saw the fires and smoke for days. I heard the explosions and the gunfire. No, I won't forget those months until the end of my life.

And that's what should happen with Jatuporn and the other leaders and their big boss. They should be rotting in jail for the rest of their lives.

 

They set up firepositions on the Skytrain tracks and shot unarmed civilians, including clearly marked medical staff, who were sheltering in a designated "safe area" in cold blood. A very well planned and premeditated operation, that deserves international investigation and prosecution.

 

Even a devoted fellow traveller like you must surely realise what they did had no equivalence with what the red shirt protests were doing.

[OneMoreFarang]

11 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

 

They set up firepositions on the Skytrain tracks and shot unarmed civilians, including clearly marked medical staff, who were sheltering in a designated "safe area" in cold blood. A very well planned and premeditated operation, that deserves international investigation and prosecution.

 

Even a devoted fellow traveller like you must surely realise what they did had no equivalence with what the red shirt protests were doing.

I am no traveler, I live in Bangkok.

And like I wrote earlier, there wouldn't be any dead people if the red-shirts would not have illegally occupied Bangkok or if they would have gone home after they did that for months.

 

I know that civilians died. But as far as I know that was not planned. If you have evidence that it was "A very well planned and premeditated operation" then please present that evidence to the authorities.

[bradiston]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Yes, I agree, memory can be jolly selective.

 

I was in Bangkok in 2010. Every day the aggressive red-<deleted>s on the streets who behaved like they owned the town. Huge barricades with tires (which were later burnt). And if anybody like me needed to go to an area near Central World I had a ask the red-shirts at the barricades if they let me in.

Police? They did nothing, absolutely nothing! All tomato-police.

 

And because the tomato police did nothing the situation got worse and worse. And Thaksin obviously needed those red-<deleted>s to demand "his" money back.

Abhisit had a lot of patience, too much patience for many. And finally Abhisit told the red-<deleted>s to go home. He had busses ready to bring them home. Free of charge, no charges for occupying Bangkok for months, a free ride home.

But the red-shirts obviously preferred to follow their criminal leader and they stayed.

And then, finally, the army moved in to remove the illegal occupation of the town. The red-shirts still could go home. They still could ride home on those busses for free. But they didn't do that. They burned down a big part of the inner city. They looted the city, the story goes on and on and on.

 

The military didn't have to come if the red-shirts would have peacefully gone home. All the dead people happened because of the illegal red-shirt occupation. I am really sad that good soldiers died doing their job.

 

Yes, I agree, some things seems to easily slip out of the minds of some people.

I saw the fires and smoke for days. I heard the explosions and the gunfire. No, I won't forget those months until the end of my life.

And that's what should happen with Jatuporn and the other leaders and their big boss. They should be rotting in jail for the rest of their lives.

You've wandered off topic. He's behind bars because a Hi-So opposition MP threw a hissy fit at being called a murderer, something western leaders take on the chin every day. Abhisit, a democrat? Joke! Born and bred an old Etonian dandy.

[herfiehandbag]

3 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I am no traveler, I live in Bangkok.

And like I wrote earlier, there wouldn't be any dead people if the red-shirts would not have illegally occupied Bangkok or if they would have gone home after they did that for months.

 

I know that civilians died. But as far as I know that was not planned. If you have evidence that it was "A very well planned and premeditated operation" then please present that evidence to the authorities.

A "fellow traveler" is the term applied to someone who, whilst not necessarily a party to a (usually particularly egregious) set of policies or activities nonetheless goes along with and justifies them. I won't give any specific examples, quite probably my post would be taken down - but let's say there were a lot of them around in European politics in the 1930s!

 

As for the shootings, at various times sniper teams were deployed (and filmed in action) during the street fighting during the clearing of the protest sites. Sniper teams need to be briefed as to targets, and their firing positions, routes in and covered (protected) routes out of their positions. All of this needs planning and intent. You don't just wander up to the truck, say "you and you, you're now snipers, here is a really "gucci" gun, now hop out and crack on with it lads!"

 

Similarly the selection and occupation of the firing points overlooking the Temple would have required thought , planning, and probably some form of reconnaissance. Somebody thought that one through, planned it and gave orders.

 

And "present this to the authorities" - you really are being silly now! The "authorities" are the ones who did it!

Edited July 9, 2021 by herfiehandbag

[kimamey]

3 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Yes, I agree, memory can be jolly selective.

 

I was in Bangkok in 2010. Every day the aggressive red-<deleted>s on the streets who behaved like they owned the town. Huge barricades with tires (which were later burnt). And if anybody like me needed to go to an area near Central World I had a ask the red-shirts at the barricades if they let me in.

Police? They did nothing, absolutely nothing! All tomato-police.

 

And because the tomato police did nothing the situation got worse and worse. And Thaksin obviously needed those red-<deleted>s to demand "his" money back.

Abhisit had a lot of patience, too much patience for many. And finally Abhisit told the red-<deleted>s to go home. He had busses ready to bring them home. Free of charge, no charges for occupying Bangkok for months, a free ride home.

But the red-shirts obviously preferred to follow their criminal leader and they stayed.

And then, finally, the army moved in to remove the illegal occupation of the town. The red-shirts still could go home. They still could ride home on those busses for free. But they didn't do that. They burned down a big part of the inner city. They looted the city, the story goes on and on and on.

 

The military didn't have to come if the red-shirts would have peacefully gone home. All the dead people happened because of the illegal red-shirt occupation. I am really sad that good soldiers died doing their job.

 

Yes, I agree, some things seems to easily slip out of the minds of some people.

I saw the fires and smoke for days. I heard the explosions and the gunfire. No, I won't forget those months until the end of my life.

And that's what should happen with Jatuporn and the other leaders and their big boss. They should be rotting in jail for the rest of their lives.

I don't necessarily think anyone should stay in jail for life but although I wasn't in the country at the time your summary would seem pretty accurate.

[ThailandRyan]

1 minute ago, kimamey said:

I don't necessarily think anyone should stay in jail for life but although I wasn't in the country at the time your summary would seem pretty accurate.

Yet Suthep and his ilk who were convicted of Sedition are out on bail awaiting an appeal....nothing equal here in this country when it comes to partisan politics...

 

https://www.khaosodenglish.com/politics/2021/02/26/suthep-and-aides-granted-bail-2-days-after-sedition-verdict/

[kimamey]

3 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

 

They set up firepositions on the Skytrain tracks and shot unarmed civilians, including clearly marked medical staff, who were sheltering in a designated "safe area" in cold blood. A very well planned and premeditated operation, that deserves international investigation and prosecution.

 

Even a devoted fellow traveller like you must surely realise what they did had no equivalence with what the red shirt protests were doing.

Who was it that decided that the military who were clearly not abiding by their rules of engagement had no case to answer so opted to blame Abhisit and Suthep instead and charge them with murder.

 

I don't agree with the idea of defamation except in extreme circumstances but maybe that's the only option he had under the Thai judicial system. At least Abhisit didn't try to get Jataporn executed.

[kimamey]

7 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Yet Suthep and his ilk who were convicted of Sedition are out on bail awaiting an appeal....nothing equal here in this country when it comes to partisan politics...

 

https://www.khaosodenglish.com/politics/2021/02/26/suthep-and-aides-granted-bail-2-days-after-sedition-verdict/

Well that's certainly true. Having said that the government at the time was openly being run by Thaksin largely for his own benefit despite that being against the rules. If he hadn't been so arrogant he might have got away with it.

[chalawaan]

Dammit I thought they were referring to one of the innocent youngsters, nothing to do but replace that post with this retraction.

Edited July 9, 2021 by chalawaan

[bradiston]

1 hour ago, kimamey said:

I don't necessarily think anyone should stay in jail for life but although I wasn't in the country at the time your summary would seem pretty accurate.

That's a pretty weird statement indeed. "Would seem pretty accurate"? Glad you're not on my jury! You might well have not been in the country at the time considering the yellowshirts had completely overrun Swampy. There's 2 sides to this whole story and Jatuporn seems to have come off a lot worse than the pretender Abhisit. Not hard to see why.

[kimamey]

17 hours ago, bradiston said:

That's a pretty weird statement indeed. "Would seem pretty accurate"? Glad you're not on my jury! You might well have not been in the country at the time considering the yellowshirts had completely overrun Swampy. There's 2 sides to this whole story and Jatuporn seems to have come off a lot worse than the pretender Abhisit. Not hard to see why.

Yes there is and the post I was replying to was putting that point. Are you denying there was arson as mentioned in that post? I've also said I'm not in favour of defamation cases. Elsewhere I've supported the fact that innocent civilians were shot and I've no problem with those responsible being held to account but it wasn't Abhisit. 

 

Yes Jutaporn does seem to have come off worse and maybe that's as it should be. He doesn't seem to me to be someone I'd put much trust in. During the time in question he seemed to do pretty well. Wasn't this case about him calling Abhisit a murderer which it seems he wasn't and I suspect Jutaporn knows that very well. Had the circumstances turned the other way as Jutaporn and the redshirts and followers had wanted Abhisit could have been convicted of murder and they would have pushed for execution so Jutaporn spending a bit of time in prison doesn't seem that bad to me.

[bendejo]

I didn't know he was in prison.  Surely, if there was anyone who could have done a successful insanity plea it's him. 

What about the guy who told people each of them should bring a litre of gasoline from Issan and burn the city down?

 

On 7/9/2021 at 3:00 AM, OneMoreFarang said:

Police? They did nothing, absolutely nothing! All tomato-police.

I was staying in Lan Luang at that time.  One day there was a march from Victory Monument to the Central World site.  In an alley off the main drag a cop was sitting at a food stall reading a newspaper, oblivious to the thousands of people marching past.

 

 

Edited July 10, 2021 by bendejo

[bendejo]

Just a reminder, the people who set those fires were not terrorists.  It says so right there on the sign, see?