I helped out with a horrific motorcycle crash last night.

[bbabythai]

 

I was locking up the (inside) front door of our building and heard that distinctive sound of fiber glass / metal hitting the road. I knew it had to be a bike down. I went outside right away in the pouring rain and a lady was lying face down in the left lane (no helmet)

 

A Thai guy had already stopped his car to assist (as I later saw on cctv he was the first on scene, I was the 2nd). I asked him to call EMS and he didn’t know the phone number. I didn’t know it either. Meanwhile the lady is lying face down unconscious and I didn’t know what to do. I thought she might have died

 

I suspected that I should not touch her as doing so could impact spinal injuries etc. All I could do was talk to her a bit and she seemed to come round with her breathing after a while. Someone bought an umbrella. I just felt so sad for this woman on the edge of death. It was really scary. 

 

I was impressed with the promptness of the EMS cars. 2 turned up really quickly and the ambo did as well. I think it was within 5 minutes of the phone call. 

 

I later saw on cctv that she was going quite fast and collided with a pickup truck that had parked on an angle (front of car facing the curb) as opposed to parallel parking. It was a black pickup and no doubt not visible in the rain. 

 

The ambo took her to the hospital and one of the EMS cars stayed behind waiting for the police. It took them 1 hour to arrive. I gave them the cctv footage. 

 

If this happens again should I be calling a general Thai EMS number or should I have the local hospital in my phone. Is there 1 emergency number in Thailand for ambos and the police?

 

[2 is 1]

They include 911 or 191 for emergencies, fire, or unwanted intruding animals; 1699 or 1669 (or 1646 or 1554 in Bangkok) for medical emergencies; tourist police, 1155; car theft, 1192; a taxi refusing a trip, 1584; road accidents, 1146.

[richard_smith237]

I don’t know which number to call, but, props to you for doing the right thing.

 

Some foreigners on this forum who believe they are ‘seasoned’ will tell us that we should never help, we will get the blame and incur costs etc…  

These types have only ever been seasoned on bar stool by other bar stool experts…. 
 

I too have helped at the scene of an accident in a similar manner (no cctv though). I saw the accident happen (drunk motorcyclist). Not even a hint of impropriety & many of those who also stopped or turned up followed my instructions to help light that road etc & turn on the flash lights on their phone, to go further up the road & slow approaching traffic as we were still in the middle of the road.

 

As soon as the ambulance left, so did I. BiB not interested in the Farang at the scene. 

Edited July 9, 2021 by richard_smith237

[EricTh]

@bbabythai

 

Where is this place and what is her condition now?

[2 is 1]

When i hit soi dog whit motorpike i get right away help from locals front of accident place. Ok it was in our village and people know me but help was great! Guy even bring me right away big class of Laokhao and Chang lol. Same time when i drink "medicine" he clean my wounds. Hes wife get her own motor and go to pick up my wife and father in law . After i m not bleed like water tab anymore my wife drive me hospital.

[chiangraibob4]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

I don’t know which number to call, but, props to you for doing the right thing.

 

Some foreigners on this forum who believe they are ‘seasoned’ will tell us that we should never help, we will get the blame and incur costs etc…  

These types have only ever been seasoned on bar stool by other bar stool experts…. 
 

I too have helped at the scene of an accident in a similar manner (no cctv though). I saw the accident happen (drunk motorcyclist). Not even a hint of impropriety & many of those who also stopped or turned up followed my instructions to help light that road etc & turn on the flash lights on their phone, to go further up the road & slow approaching traffic as we were still in the middle of the road.

 

As soon as the ambulance left, so did I. BiB not interested in the Farang at the scene. 

Only the typical racist Thai bashers (which are slightly dumb) would tell you not to help in case of an accident because they "may blame it on you"...

 

Both you and OP did the right thing by helping the one who had suffered the accident. And I am quite sure, had it been you who suffered the accident, locals would have been equally fast to provide help. 

 

You can't always see Thailand through the eyes of certain Asean Now posters.... they would make you scared about Thailand and Thais for no reason whatsoever.

 

[drtreelove]

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Some foreigners on this forum who believe they are ‘seasoned’ will tell us that we should never help, we will get the blame and incur costs etc…  

These types have only ever been seasoned on bar stool by other bar stool experts…. 
 

 

Save your holier than thou BS.  I don't spend time on bar stools and I'm a former paramedic ambulance attrendant in big city USA.  I stop and help and I still will do so, its in my blood. But it happens, I've been blamed and had to pay up to avoid a court case.  

I was driving in Samut Prakan and witnessed a taxi driver's bad lane change move and a high speed motorcycle lose it with 2 teenagers on board , end over end, and bodies flying. The disintegrating bike came close to my car, but no contact. I pulled over up ahead and walked back to render aid..  Long story short the taxi driver pinned it on me and the cops bought it. Connections in the community didn't help much, auto insurance inspector showed up two hours later and was useless, my Thai step daughter was a nurse at the nearby hospital where the inured were taken and she had a confession of drinking and speeding.  I saved a life by controlling a major bleed.  But nothing was going to change the demands by the injured families.  I'm usually very positive minded, quite lucky and I have had mostly good experiences over many years in Thailand, but it this case it was clear that the prevailing attitude was that someone had to pay and the farang could afford it.  After negotiations starting at 30,000 baht, I forked out 15K to make it go away . The motor cycle driver was fined 500 baht for no license.  Fortunately they had helmets on or there would have been two fatalities. And yeah, I could afford it, the injured were from poor families and they got good medical care.  And now I have another lesson under my belt, This is Thailand. 

[chiangraibob4]

1 hour ago, drtreelove said:

Save your holier than thou BS.  I don't spend time on bar stools and I'm a former paramedic ambulance attrendant in big city USA.  I stop and help and I still will do so, its in my blood. But it happens, I've been blamed and had to pay up to avoid a court case.  

I was driving in Samut Prakan and witnessed a taxi driver's bad lane change move and a high speed motorcycle lose it with 2 teenagers on board , end over end, and bodies flying. The disintegrating bike came close to my car, but no contact. I pulled over up ahead and walked back to render aid..  Long story short the taxi driver pinned it on me and the cops bought it. Connections in the community didn't help much, auto insurance inspector showed up two hours later and was useless, my Thai step daughter was a nurse at the nearby hospital where the inured were taken and she had a confession of drinking and speeding.  I saved a life by controlling a major bleed.  But nothing was going to change the demands by the injured families.  I'm usually very positive minded, quite lucky and I have had mostly good experiences over many years in Thailand, but it this case it was clear that the prevailing attitude was that someone had to pay and the farang could afford it.  After negotiations starting at 30,000 baht, I forked out 15K to make it go away . The motor cycle driver was fined 500 baht for no license.  Fortunately they had helmets on or there would have been two fatalities. And yeah, I could afford it, the injured were from poor families and they got good medical care.  And now I have another lesson under my belt, This is Thailand. 

 

I don't buy it. 

 

The police put the blame on you, you can take it to court. It will be easy to prove by the lack of damage on your car that it can't in any possible way be your fault.

 

You paid because you wanted, and that is supposing the story is real, which I highly doubt. 

 

There is no need for the "rich farang" to come and help the "poor thai" by forking out 15K for the thai's medical care. You yourself confirmed there was insurance. Which in my experience (and that of many others), Thai car insurances have no issue paying for good medical care.....

Edited July 9, 2021 by chiangraibob4

[FritsSikkink]

So what did you actually do to help out, can't find it in the OP.

[fredscats]

1 hour ago, drtreelove said:

Save your holier than thou BS.  I don't spend time on bar stools and I'm a former paramedic ambulance attrendant in big city USA.  I stop and help and I still will do so, its in my blood. But it happens, I've been blamed and had to pay up to avoid a court case.  

I was driving in Samut Prakan and witnessed a taxi driver's bad lane change move and a high speed motorcycle lose it with 2 teenagers on board , end over end, and bodies flying. The disintegrating bike came close to my car, but no contact. I pulled over up ahead and walked back to render aid..  Long story short the taxi driver pinned it on me and the cops bought it. Connections in the community didn't help much, auto insurance inspector showed up two hours later and was useless, my Thai step daughter was a nurse at the nearby hospital where the inured were taken and she had a confession of drinking and speeding.  I saved a life by controlling a major bleed.  But nothing was going to change the demands by the injured families.  I'm usually very positive minded, quite lucky and I have had mostly good experiences over many years in Thailand, but it this case it was clear that the prevailing attitude was that someone had to pay and the farang could afford it.  After negotiations starting at 30,000 baht, I forked out 15K to make it go away . The motor cycle driver was fined 500 baht for no license.  Fortunately they had helmets on or there would have been two fatalities. And yeah, I could afford it, the injured were from poor families and they got good medical care.  And now I have another lesson under my belt, This is Thailand. 

Ditto.Friend involved in crash,woman died,not his fault,but had first class ins. Cops wanted all his ins,plus 1 mil,200 thousand to settle from him personally, his lawyer told him to get out of Thailand ASAP,the whole process is a money grabbing scheme aimed at farang

 Its sickening to see pure BS poured forth

Edited July 9, 2021 by fredscats

[OneMoreFarang]

7 hours ago, bbabythai said:

I was locking up the (inside) front door of our building and heard that distinctive sound of fiber glass / metal hitting the road. I knew it had to be a bike down. I went outside right away in the pouring rain and a lady was lying face down in the left lane (no helmet)

Good that you reacted fast and did your best to help her.

 

You must be "old". Otherwise we would see here a couple of pictures and videos and maybe a line or two: "I saw this last night and I made some pictures."

[OneMoreFarang]

2 hours ago, chiangraibob4 said:

The police put the blame on you, you can take it to court. It will be easy to prove by the lack of damage on your car that it can't in any possible way be your fault.

So if someone's car is not damaged that means it can't be his fault?

Think again. And if you still don't understand it then think again, harder.

[drtreelove]

2 hours ago, chiangraibob4 said:

 

I don't buy it. 

 

The police put the blame on you, you can take it to court. It will be easy to prove by the lack of damage on your car that it can't in any possible way be your fault.

 

You paid because you wanted, and that is supposing the story is real, which I highly doubt. 

 

There is no need for the "rich farang" to come and help the "poor thai" by forking out 15K for the thai's medical care. You yourself confirmed there was insurance. Which in my experience (and that of many others), Thai car insurances have no issue paying for good medical care....., 

The story is true. I'm not rich. I didn't want to pay and it set me back, but I keep emergency funds.  I thought like you do that the insurance co would cover me.  They would have paid for the court costs but only if I won the case.  I had an important out of country trip planned that would have cost me more to have to cancel, so I paid to settle it.  I don't disrespect Thai people, laws or society, that's not what I am saying, Its just a reality that this does happen and not only on bar stools as claimed .  

[colinneil]

Some good posts on this thread, some stupid posts.

About 9 years ago was riding my Honda wave along Mittrapap road ay Bahn Haet south of Khonkaen.

A pickup passed me travelling at speed, next thing driver clipped central median, over it went, i stopped my bike, got off went to help, lady in passenger seat trying to get out, so i helped her out, slowly pulling her, trying not to make her injuries worse.

I had her lying there, driver came round and was trying to get her on her feet, i am trying to stop him.

By this time several vehicles had stopped, police arrived, all i could hear from bystanders was ..... Farang, farang, policeman said in poor English, farang what you do, what !!!

I did nothing but stop to help, police are saying i caused the accident, a Thai lady, said in both Thai and English, no farang was in front of my car, he only stopped to help.

Yes many Thais will try to blame the farang for accidents, even though the farang was not involved.

[clivebaxter]

2 hours ago, chiangraibob4 said:

 

I don't buy it. 

 

The police put the blame on you, you can take it to court. It will be easy to prove by the lack of damage on your car that it can't in any possible way be your fault.

 

You paid because you wanted, and that is supposing the story is real, which I highly doubt. 

 

There is no need for the "rich farang" to come and help the "poor thai" by forking out 15K for the thai's medical care. You yourself confirmed there was insurance. Which in my experience (and that of many others), Thai car insurances have no issue paying for good medical care.....

You show an amazing faith in the Thai legal system, take it to court and he could well have ended up in a worse financial position. Once they decide you are to blame, including the insurance man who is meant to be on your side they have you cornered. No need to have forked out 15k though.

[faraday]

46 minutes ago, colinneil said:

Farang, farang, policeman said in poor English, farang what you do, what !!!

What was the outcome for you, Colin?

[colinneil]

4 minutes ago, faraday said:

What was the outcome for you, Colin?

I just got on my bike and went on my way, never heard anymore about it.

[metisdead]

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[FarFlungFalang]

3 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

So what did you actually do to help out, can't find it in the OP.

If you read it carefully he went to render assistance, which is commendable.Such actions can save lives if nothing else he could have yelled to raise the alarm for further assistance.

[FarFlungFalang]

21 minutes ago, colinneil said:

I just got on my bike and went on my way, never heard anymore about it.

Did it make you cranky?

[FarFlungFalang]

8 hours ago, bbabythai said:

If this happens again should I be calling a general Thai EMS number or should I have the local hospital in my phone. Is there 1 emergency number in Thailand for ambos and the police?

If this happens again check for a pulse and check they haven't swallowed their tongue.A friend of ours had motorcycle accident and died and people stood around whilst he suffocated.

[bbabythai]

4 hours ago, FarFlungFalang said:

If this happens again check for a pulse and check they haven't swallowed their tongue.A friend of ours had motorcycle accident and died and people stood around whilst he suffocated.

I will do that for sure. I didnt know that...   

[Neeranam]

13 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

I don’t know which number to call, but, props to you for doing the right thing.

Wow, how long have you lived here?

[Neeranam]

6 hours ago, colinneil said:

Some good posts on this thread, some stupid posts.

About 9 years ago was riding my Honda wave along Mittrapap road ay Bahn Haet south of Khonkaen.

A pickup passed me travelling at speed, next thing driver clipped central median, over it went, i stopped my bike, got off went to help, lady in passenger seat trying to get out, so i helped her out, slowly pulling her, trying not to make her injuries worse.

I had her lying there, driver came round and was trying to get her on her feet, i am trying to stop him.

By this time several vehicles had stopped, police arrived, all i could hear from bystanders was ..... Farang, farang, policeman said in poor English, farang what you do, what !!!

I did nothing but stop to help, police are saying i caused the accident, a Thai lady, said in both Thai and English, no farang was in front of my car, he only stopped to help.

Yes many Thais will try to blame the farang for accidents, even though the farang was not involved.

Indeed,,,once, in Mahasarakham, I was in a car accident head on collision with a pick up on the wrong side of the road. When the local cops came, they tried to blame me. I called my boss who came and had a word with the head of police to sort it out. 

 

I would not stop in most situations and advise foreigners to do the same. Different if it happened outside my house. If I have the accident on my dash cam, then I would stop. 

[Neeranam]

13 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Some foreigners on this forum who believe they are ‘seasoned’ will tell us that we should never help, we will get the blame and incur costs etc…  

These types have only ever been seasoned on bar stool by other bar stool experts…. 

I think you should get out more. I've known farang to get beaten up by a mob for stopping to help. 

[OneMoreFarang]

19 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

13 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

I don’t know which number to call, but, props to you for doing the right thing.

Wow, how long have you lived here?

How often do you need an emergency number?

Personally I never called an emergency number, ever, anywhere in this world.

But some time ago I saw a list of Thai emergency numbers and I added them to my phone - just in case I ever need them.

[Neeranam]

1 minute ago, OneMoreFarang said:

How often do you need an emergency number?

Personally I never called an emergency number, ever, anywhere in this world.

But some time ago I saw a list of Thai emergency numbers and I added them to my phone - just in case I ever need them.

I'd say every 10 years on average, depending on how often you go out. Everyone in the UK knows the emergency number. 

[FritsSikkink]

5 hours ago, FarFlungFalang said:

If you read it carefully he went to render assistance, which is commendable.Such actions can save lives if nothing else he could have yelled to raise the alarm for further assistance.

What assistance did he give he only talked to her, i don't see that as something worth making a headline " i helped out"

[BritManToo]

13 hours ago, chiangraibob4 said:

Only the typical racist Thai bashers (which are slightly dumb) would tell you not to help in case of an accident because they "may blame it on you"...

Unlikely if the accident was in front of your home.

[chiangraibob4]

40 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I think you should get out more. I've known farang to get beaten up by a mob for stopping to help. 

I’ve also known a farang who grabbed a 9mm Glock handgun and put a bullet through his own brain here in Thailand. 
 

Does this somehow mean that all farangs will do that same thing sooner or later? 
 

Talking and telling the typical bar stories  is one thing, but the full details are always left along the way!