1 minute ago, utalkin2me said:

Pattaya is gonna become “digital” to a much greater extent. Seems very obvious to me. I’m sure it’s already happening. 

This is the mystery. Many bars don't have (m) any customers and this for years and still don't give up. Even now at this moment they build new ones. I don't understand this if I am honest. Perhaps money laundering but I don't know. Or perhaps too many dreamers. 

4 hours ago, Wullie Mercer said:

Gargle as often as possible with "mouthwash" daily, as good advice as any other on this website.

And wash hands frequently. And keep social distancing. And probably mask use. Avoid touching eyes, nose, mouth.

9 minutes ago, Mickeymaus said:

This is the mystery. Many bars don't have (m) any customers and this for years and still don't give up. Even now at this moment they build new ones. I don't understand this if I am honest. Perhaps money laundering but I don't know. Or perhaps too many dreamers. 

People keeping their staff in work. Their friends and family. People treat there bar like a living meeting room. It's very sad.

19 minutes ago, utalkin2me said:

Pattaya is gonna become “digital” to a much greater extent. Seems very obvious to me. I’m sure it’s already happening. 

No. it's not. People want to mix, eat, drink, party, socialise, listen to music, chat, watch TV together. Digital communications help a little to get couples together a bit, that's all.

10 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

 

that was brutal, place will never be the same again

 

old mafia out, new mafia coming soon LOL

30 minutes ago, Mickeymaus said:

This is the mystery. Many bars don't have (m) any customers and this for years and still don't give up. Even now at this moment they build new ones. I don't understand this if I am honest. Perhaps money laundering but I don't know. Or perhaps too many dreamers. 

because no shortage of fools in this world, hence why they keep building and renovating old places, someone will come along and fall for it LOL

54 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

that was brutal, place will never be the same again

 

old mafia out, new mafia coming soon LOL

While the same mafias remain firmly in control of the country and the province.

9 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said:

How contagious are open air spaces?

Before the Delta variant, not very. But not anymore. Open air is of course still better than closed, but not like it used to be.

Good.  I wonder when the average Thai wakes up and discerns that their government has destroyed a large percentage of small business in Thailand while labeling large corporate entities (malls, chains, franchises) as essential and have given them all a permission to stay open while they close small/medium size shops and put them out of business?

12 hours ago, utalkin2me said:

If you wanted to make things as worse as possible, follow the Thai model. Close down country and inflict max pain a year before the virus even hits. This ensures every small business owner is completely wiped out even before arrival of the main spreading months. Then, when everyone is devastated, fed up and poor, the virus sweeps the country. 
 

perfectly played. 

Do you really believe the virus wasn't here a year ago on the first lockdown?

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1 hour ago, Paradise Pete said:

Before the Delta variant, not very. But not anymore. Open air is of course still better than closed, but not like it used to be.

Have you quoted the latest western medical and epidemiology research UK etc based on science and observation not TVF gossip much tainted by anti Thai contempt. Many forum members regard food stalls and open air markets as intrinsically unhealthy anyway.

1 hour ago, Almer said:

Do you really believe the virus wasn't here a year ago on the first lockdown?

Which variant? The original was disappearing, death rates down, hospital admissions down, sickness down, bars open, confidence up, fear down...this seems to be a whole new ball game. We need a vaccine.

1 hour ago, connda said:

Good.  I wonder when the average Thai wakes up and discerns that their government has destroyed a large percentage of small business in Thailand while labeling large corporate entities (malls, chains, franchises) as essential and have given them all a permission to stay open while they close small/medium size shops and put them out of business?

I suspect the big banks that financed all the people who were put out of business may soon be having troubles of their own. Not to forget all the 'big business' airlines will have sunk as well.

4 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

Have you quoted the latest western medical and epidemiology research UK etc based on science and observation not TVF gossip much tainted by anti Thai contempt. Many forum members regard food stalls and open air markets as intrinsically unhealthy anyway.

No gossip involved. I listen to scientists and immunologists, not Facebook.

Just now, The Hammer2021 said:

Which variant? The original was disappearing, death rates down, hospital admissions down, sickness down, bars open, confidence up, fear down...this seems to be a whole new ball game. We need a vaccine.

Directly they make a new vaccine, there will be a new variant.

Enjoy the rest of your locked down life! 

20 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said:

How contagious are open air spaces?

If you cannot distance yourself as per recommendations I would say there is risk. Similar to sports stadiums....

18 hours ago, Mickeymaus said:

This is a myth. Since we have this government very many new bars opened in Pattaya. Soi LK Metro, very many in Soi Buakhao, Tree Town and other areas. Even now they build new bars for instance in the Tree Town area - one even with a big pool. Pattaya is what it always was - mainly a huge red light district and not a family resort. The new government even extended the opening times of the night venues years ago. And the new tourism minister even wants/wanted to extend the opening times much further. 

Doesn't matter how many bars they open if the can't find attractive, enthusiastic girls to staff them, even if customers return in pre corona numbers, which is IMO doubtful.

The situation pre corona of bored, chubby and not very attractive girls more interested in their phones than customers was already killing the industry IMO. Only a small number of bars were popular back then.

18 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said:

And wash hands frequently. And keep social distancing. And probably mask use. Avoid touching eyes, nose, mouth.

LOL. Have you watched the talking heads on tv and seen how often they adjust their masks? Most of us, IMO, touch our eyes, nose, mouth countless times without even thinking about it.

 

Looking at tv news it seems that most people, in western countries anyway, are not interested in following the official dictat any longer. Huge crowds for the recent football game that are not conforming.

Anyway, isn't Britain abandoning all official regulations?

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Doesn't matter how many bars they open if the can't find attractive, enthusiastic girls to staff them, even if customers return in pre corona numbers, which is IMO doubtful.

The situation pre corona of bored, chubby and not very attractive girls more interested in their phones than customers was already killing the industry IMO. Only a small number of bars were popular back then.

Even back them it seemed to be older females with nothing better to do than to sit in bars all night .

  The younger newer generation can advertise their services online and can work as required , live their lives as normal and getting called up for work when required  , which beats sitting in bars tarted up all night long hoping someone buys you a drink 

4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Even back them it seemed to be older females with nothing better to do than to sit in bars all night .

  The younger newer generation can advertise their services online and can work as required , live their lives as normal and getting called up for work when required  , which beats sitting in bars tarted up all night long hoping someone buys you a drink 

Apparently you didn't visit Pattaya pre internet, when the bars were full of attractive, slim enthusiastic girls. Happy days before mobile phones.

Certainly, the internet has significantly changed it, and internet capable phones have probably put a stake in it's heart.

18 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I suspect the big banks that financed all the people who were put out of business may soon be having troubles of their own. Not to forget all the 'big business' airlines will have sunk as well.

But we are told by the Thai Central banks that everything is just hunky-dory.  Funny.  I can remember Hank Paulson running around in circles like a chicken with its head cut off in front of Congress.  "We never saw it coming.  Bailouts!  The entire financial system will collapse if the US government doesn't make us whole."  How long was it before bank CEO and executives where pulling in huge bonuses.
What a ******** racket.

18 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Directly they make a new vaccine, there will be a new variant.

Enjoy the rest of your locked down life! 

No no no.  Variants come from unvaccinated anti-vaxxers! My television and social media feeds told me so!  So it's the 100% absolute God's honest truth.  Everything else is censored and memory holed thank God.  Only MSM 'experts' are to be believed.  Scientific studies showing anything but what MSM 'experts' say are an existential danger and should be dealt with.  They should be piled up in the public square and given the Fahrenheit 451 treatment and digitally deleted from Medical Journals as heresy.  Maybe the authors should be burned too.  Ok, imprisoned for life for their dangerous heretical views. There is only One Science now and it's the correct, official Science of Faucian Orthodoxy. 
The syringe is the body, the vaccine is the blood.  Amen.

6 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Even back them it seemed to be older females with nothing better to do than to sit in bars all night .

  The younger newer generation can advertise their services online and can work as required , live their lives as normal and getting called up for work when required  , which beats sitting in bars tarted up all night long hoping someone buys you a drink 

Oh, you mean Dek Puuyings.  The new uni-student and entrepreneurial generation.  These kids will survive in style.
Just need to provide older gentlemen with a little - spice. 
 

20 hours ago, connda said:

I wonder when the average Thai wakes up and discerns that their government has destroyed a large percentage of small business

When will the whole world wake up  ?

Hoofed it to Phuket in March and been there ever since...getting my first Sinovac jab tomorrow and the second on August 4.

On 7/12/2021 at 2:02 PM, eeworldwide said:

I said it last year in May, and I'll say it again, for the benefit of the hard of hearing/understanding.

 

It's OVER.

 

I also called it in May last year - EXACTLY as it's playing out - that Thailand hadn't even seen a FIRST wave of the virus - and it' is now here.

 

What is making thing worse, is the Sinovac debacle, which is the stuff of nightmares.

 

Pattaya as a sex destination is over - in fact  - the whole of Thailand as a sex destination is over.

 

it will take years for the country to recover - they have no strategy, no vaccines and are under the delusion that people are chomping at the bit and pawing at the ground to get back on planes and back to Thailand.

 

I don't need to outlien how way off the mark they all are.

 

 

What's making matters more difficult is, the mutations of the virus, (not just here, but further afield) is highly likely to render many vaccines largely ineffective - so Thailand will be yet again, behind the flow of what is necessary to be up to speed on protections.

 

I'd be getting out whilst I still can -or at least have a rapidly accessible exit strategy... the natives are restless....

 

 

Can you get out without being vaccinated ?

On 7/13/2021 at 8:55 PM, connda said:

Oh, you mean Dek Puuyings.  The new uni-student and entrepreneurial generation.  These kids will survive in style.
Just need to provide older gentlemen with a little - spice. 
 

They've been around for decades, but they stick with Thai businessmen. I suspect they won't be clamouring for old fat sweaty bald farangs to take them out for a bit of rumpty.

On 7/12/2021 at 9:09 PM, Paradise Pete said:

No gossip involved. I listen to scientists and immunologists, not Facebook.

But use this gossip  forum not Lancet or New Scientist to spread  your unfounded beliefs.

On 7/13/2021 at 9:21 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Apparently you didn't visit Pattaya pre internet, when the bars were full of attractive, slim enthusiastic girls. Happy days before mobile phones.

Certainly, the internet has significantly changed it, and internet capable phones have probably put a stake in it's heart.

Mobile  phones had little effect. The girls like to go  out chat and  gossip and socialise. Sure they give numbers our discreetly  at bars, and sure  "play" on them too much. But certainly until covid phones, FB, TC played only a minor role. To think otherwise indicates lack of real knowledge  and experience of the girl scene.