The big cc scoots

[Kwasaki]

Bit dull on m/c forum these days just thought about discussion on the big scoots about.

There's a lot cropping up in and about our village and some riders are sensible and obviously you get those that ain't. 

A guy was mentioning where he lives that some try to have go with him on his Sports Ninja.

I don't have a problem with anything around where I live with other riders trying to compete.

 

Does anyone else wherever you live get bothered by other riders trying to race with you or say trying to keep up. 

 

[canthai55]

Bought a Forza last year - love it.

Guys on bikes always try to be first away - but my 'Need for Speed' means I am usually full throttle leaving the lights - after checking cross traffic

Mostly see them in my mirror.

I just find it much safer as you can get ahead of the traffic behind you, and stay back from the traffic ahead of you. Then you only got to worry about oncoming traffic. Much safer

[VocalNeal]

Been like that in BKK for at least 18 months. Seems many 2nd hand Forzas have found homes in the sois.

I'm thinking with your Ninja fiend they will do what I call a Kamikaze pass. Zoom by while the guy is quietly riding along then quickly disappear down a side street. They are urban warriors, they won't challenge in open country! CVT wins away from the lights, they know this. Primarily it is reaction time.

Happens all over even to a guy (not me) In Vancouver with a Pontiac Grand Prix who used to get buzzed by Civics. 

The key is not to rise to the bait and simply ignore them. If you must play just accelerate with/after them and stay right behind. Eventually they will turn off or give way. 

 

[toofarnorth]

  On 7/16/2021 at 11:04 AM, canthai55 said:

Bought a Forza last year - love it.

Guys on bikes always try to be first away - but my 'Need for Speed' means I am usually full throttle leaving the lights - after checking cross traffic

Mostly see them in my mirror.

I just find it much safer as you can get ahead of the traffic behind you, and stay back from the traffic ahead of you. Then you only got to worry about oncoming traffic. Much safer

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I too have a Forza and love it , No chains to adjust/oil , press the button and go.  On my usual run out to the hills Honda Waves sometimes try it on but even if they keep up the riders seem to tire quickly and have to stop by the roadside for a rest.

[Joinaman]

  On 7/16/2021 at 11:47 AM, toofarnorth said:

I too have a Forza and love it , No chains to adjust/oil , press the button and go.  On my usual run out to the hills Honda Waves sometimes try it on but even if they keep up the riders seem to tire quickly and have to stop by the roadside for a rest.

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I have an X max 300, bit like a Forza

simple to ride, no bother cruising at 120, and leaves most cars and bike behind at the lights

Going through the twisty bits in the hills, find myself leaving friends on Honda 500s behind, due to the twist and go, instead of constantly changing gears 

As far as idiots on the waves and clicks, not many go past, but i have no problem letting them go, . They might be stupid, but they know i could blow them off if i wanted to 

[Kwasaki]

  On 7/16/2021 at 11:26 AM, VocalNeal said:

CVT wins away from the lights

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 I guess this is why I wanted a discussion, they may beat a Ninja 300 away but if it was a 500x upwards or 650 Ninja no way would they beat it away from stand still if the rider of the big capacity bike wanted to be first away.  

This is just the miss conception these twist and go riders of big scoots think.

[Kwasaki]

  On 7/16/2021 at 11:47 AM, toofarnorth said:

On my usual run out to the hills Honda Waves sometimes try it on but even if they keep up the riders seem to tire quickly

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A CBR250 rider would leave you for dead in the hills.

[Kwasaki]

  On 7/16/2021 at 12:04 PM, Joinaman said:

Going through the twisty bits in the hills, find myself leaving friends on Honda 500s behind, due to the twist and go,

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Yours friends riding on 500s can't be experience riders thats all I would say.

 

[Joinaman]

  On 7/16/2021 at 1:22 PM, Kwasaki said:

Yours friends riding on 500s can't be experience riders thats all would say.

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Well, i didn't want to say that to their face

They keep talking about their bikes, but seem to spend more time polishing than riding 

[papa al]

  On 7/16/2021 at 11:04 AM, canthai55 said:

only got to worry about oncoming traffic.

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that sideways traffic be de worst.

[papa al]

  On 7/16/2021 at 1:13 PM, Kwasaki said:

they may beat a Ninja 300 away

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doubt it

[canthai55]

Honda Forza 300 - 25 HP 189 Kg 

500X - 47 HP 195 Kg

Says it all

[VocalNeal]

  On 7/16/2021 at 1:13 PM, Kwasaki said:

 I guess this is why I wanted a discussion, they may beat a Ninja 300 away but if it was a 500x upwards or 650 Ninja no way would they beat it away from stand still if the rider of the big capacity bike wanted to be first away.  

This is just the miss conception these twist and go riders of big scoots think.

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A Daf CVT car was always be the first car across a junction regard less of the other car.

 

 Not a misconception. 

 

We not talking about holding  bike in first gear again the rev limiter until the light turns green. But if you want to hold your bike in gear against the cutch indefinitely I suppose you can.

 

[papa al]

  On 7/16/2021 at 1:59 PM, canthai55 said:

Honda Forza 300 - 25 HP 189 Kg 

500X - 47 HP 195 Kg

Says it all

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Kawasaki Ninja 300 - 29HP; 165kg dry/175 wet

[Agusts]

I have a Forza old model with a bit lighter rollers, on Phuket hills it goes as fast as I want to go, pass most cars and bikes, but cornering on Forza is not easy, although with long wheelbase it's nice and planted, as oppose to wobbly, in the corners it's hard. Also low ground clearance , I have scraped the center stand a few times , so no more of that ....., I think if I have a faster bike on these hills I probably kill myself....5555

 

Saying that my friend on Aerox 155 and 10kg lighter than me has no issue keeping up with me, up to 80 or 90kph, then it slows. Some 40kg Thai boys on a Wave 125 with a few mods and going crazy on the bends have also kept up...., but I usually stop racing, because it's dangerous on public road , and these guys with thin tires and no ABS and proper forks could end up anywhere on these hills - and will be on my conscious....!  lol

 

I rented a CB500x a couple of month ago, although I didn't have much experience with it I found it terrible on the hills, not much power and pull on high gears, and need to constantly change gears , I think a 650 is much better......,  it's really smooth on the flat though, got it up to 170kph, I don't think it would go any more...

 

 

[piston broke]

  On 7/16/2021 at 12:04 PM, Joinaman said:

I have an X max 300, bit like a Forza

simple to ride, no bother cruising at 120, and leaves most cars and bike behind at the lights

Going through the twisty bits in the hills, find myself leaving friends on Honda 500s behind, due to the twist and go, instead of constantly changing gears 

As far as idiots on the waves and clicks, not many go past, but i have no problem letting them go, . They might be stupid, but they know i could blow them off if i wanted to 

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I literally spat my coffee out laughing ! - a "bathtub" X Max 300 can leave a Honda 500 behind on the twisties ....

 

You're either Barry Sheene re-incarnated, or they're riding like a bunch of nancy's.....

 

I've never seen the attraction of the forza / x max - too big for the city, compared to say an ADV150,  and out on the open road sterile compare to a geared bike .....

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[piston broke]

  On 7/16/2021 at 1:59 PM, canthai55 said:

Honda Forza 300 - 25 HP 189 Kg 

500X - 47 HP 195 Kg

Says it all

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some of the bathtub gang are deluding themselves ........

 

My ADV150 would show one a clean pair of heels round town ......

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[canthai55]

  On 7/16/2021 at 4:02 PM, piston broke said:

I've never seen the attraction of the forza / x max - too big for the city, compared to say an ADV150,  and out on the open road sterile compare to a geared bike .....

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Not really - My PCX is the same width as the Forza at the mirrors - the widest part.

And Forza only 10cm longer overall - 4 inches

No appreciable difference in town

ADV is just a PCX in "off road" dress

[Kwasaki]

  On 7/16/2021 at 1:25 PM, Joinaman said:

Well, i didn't want to say that to their face

They keep talking about their bikes, but seem to spend more time polishing than riding 

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What 500 's are they, my friend has a Honda 500x and if you thrash it, it goes well. 

 

[Henryford]

  On 7/16/2021 at 4:02 PM, piston broke said:

I literally spat my coffee out laughing ! - a "bathtub" X Max 300 can leave a Honda 500 behind on the twisties ....

 

You're either Barry Sheene re-incarnated, or they're riding like a bunch of nancy's.....

 

I've never seen the attraction of the forza / x max - too big for the city, compared to say an ADV150,  and out on the open road sterile compare to a geared bike .....

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I agree, could never see the point in them. Too big for around town but not suited to touring/long distance.

[Kwasaki]

  On 7/16/2021 at 1:51 PM, papa al said:

doubt it

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Ninja 300 they are a nice looking bike quite a few around our way.

Haven't had a ride on one, just my guess because 296 cc vs 279 cc but chain driven usually beats a rubber belt.

Look forward to another death trap the 750cc Forza.

 

 

[Joinaman]

  On 7/17/2021 at 3:53 AM, Henryford said:

I agree, could never see the point in them. Too big for around town but not suited to touring/long distance.

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not sure what you mean about touring or long distance ?

Often do 3-400k rides with no bother 

Usually only do one or 2 nights away, but that's through choice, not the bike

No good for town ? Just like any big bike, you can either filter through or you wait till clear, maybe you prefer a Wave / Although it is much more suited to running around towns

 

[Kwasaki]

  On 7/16/2021 at 2:07 PM, VocalNeal said:

We not talking about holding  bike in first gear again the rev limiter

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You don't have to do that, I don't do 1st gear high speed often, I am slow moving off from traffic lights I like others going first. 555

I never go to rev limiter I can do more than 120 kph in 1st but don't I change to 2nd at about 30 -40 kph then roll it on if I want to disappear.

[Joinaman]

  On 7/17/2021 at 3:45 AM, Kwasaki said:

What 500 's are they, my friend has a Honda 500x and if you thrash it, it goes well. 

 

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With my friends, they go well on the straights, but they seem much more cautious

than me in corners, especially the very tight ones, but then, i am a crazy old fart !

Think they are Rebels ?

  On 7/16/2021 at 4:06 PM, piston broke said:

some of the bathtub gang are deluding themselves ........

 

My ADV150 would show one a clean pair of heels round town ......

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and on the main roads ??

[Joinaman]

  On 7/16/2021 at 2:27 PM, Agusts said:

I have a Forza old model with a bit lighter rollers, on Phuket hills it goes as fast as I want to go, pass most cars and bikes, but cornering on Forza is not easy, although with long wheelbase it's nice and planted, as oppose to wobbly, in the corners it's hard. Also low ground clearance , I have scraped the center stand a few times , so no more of that ....., I think if I have a faster bike on these hills I probably kill myself....5555

 

Saying that my friend on Aerox 155 and 10kg lighter than me has no issue keeping up with me, up to 80 or 90kph, then it slows. Some 40kg Thai boys on a Wave 125 with a few mods and going crazy on the bends have also kept up...., but I usually stop racing, because it's dangerous on public road , and these guys with thin tires and no ABS and proper forks could end up anywhere on these hills - and will be on my conscious....!  lol

 

I rented a CB500x a couple of month ago, although I didn't have much experience with it I found it terrible on the hills, not much power and pull on high gears, and need to constantly change gears , I think a 650 is much better......,  it's really smooth on the flat though, got it up to 170kph, I don't think it would go any more...

 

 

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Being an old fart, i think 120-130 kph is fast enough, no matter what bike, to ride on the majority of roads

My X max has plenty of carry space, somewhere to lock up my helmets and gear, unlike the "big" bikes

Can also do a fair amount of shopping while out too , again, unlike the " big" bikes 

Its not meant for throwing around, but then i dont need to show off or pose with it either , unlike some bikers 

Iy still gets me to places that the "big boys" bikes do, and not much slower either, although as a retired oldie, what's another few minutes ?

Keep looking at bigger bikes, but then, just like my car, it does what it needs to, and leaves me more money for holidays and luxuries 

And like cars, how long does your "big " bike spend parked up doing nothing ?

 

 

[Joinaman]

  On 7/16/2021 at 2:26 PM, papa al said:

 

Kawasaki Ninja 300 - 29HP; 165kg dry/175 wet

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X max, 2 helmet lockable compartment 

Kawasaki ???

Room for a least a couple of shopping bags when wearing helmets

Kawasaki ??

[Joinaman]

  On 7/16/2021 at 4:02 PM, piston broke said:

I literally spat my coffee out laughing ! - a "bathtub" X Max 300 can leave a Honda 500 behind on the twisties ....

 

You're either Barry Sheene re-incarnated, or they're riding like a bunch of nancy's.....

 

I've never seen the attraction of the forza / x max - too big for the city, compared to say an ADV150,  and out on the open road sterile compare to a geared bike .....

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Ha ha ha 

ADV 150 , ladies bike !

[Kwasaki]

  On 7/16/2021 at 2:27 PM, Agusts said:

I rented a CB500x a couple of month ago, although I didn't have much experience with it I found it terrible on the hills, not much power and pull on high gears, and need to constantly change gears , I think a 650 is much better......,  it's really smooth on the flat though, got it up to 170kph, I don't think it would go any more...

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500x bike is a good weighted value twin you have use the gears and plenty of revs to get a decent speed though.

My Versys 650 twin was a nice bike too but too heavy although very comfortable.

The CRF 250 was good fun but full rev at all gear for speed of sorts.

[Kwasaki]

  On 7/16/2021 at 4:02 PM, piston broke said:

I've never seen the attraction of the forza / x max - too big for the city, compared to say an ADV150,  and out on the open road sterile compare to a geared bike ....

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I can see the attraction of scoots for Thais anything easy is good.

I just find riding them weird and the sitting position gives me backache.

The big scoots they like for the higher speed as well as looks.

I have a Airblade scoot I sit on back seat and use the rear foot pegs.

I do the same on the Wave the left leg just goes forward for gear change.

[NanLaew]

  On 7/16/2021 at 11:04 AM, canthai55 said:

Bought a Forza last year - love it.

Guys on bikes always try to be first away - but my 'Need for Speed' means I am usually full throttle leaving the lights - after checking cross traffic

Mostly see them in my mirror.

I just find it much safer as you can get ahead of the traffic behind you, and stay back from the traffic ahead of you. Then you only got to worry about oncoming traffic. Much safer

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In a nation of habitual red light runners, I don't think being first away on green is being 'much safer' at all. Even the idiots on 4-wheels mostly hold back on green, just in case someone wants to 'get ahead of the traffic.'