Thailand expands lockdown areas as COVID-19 cases surge

[wensiensheng]

50 minutes ago, kingstonkid said:

Has china opened the borders yet

Pretty much not, I believe. And probably won’t with delta itching to get in 5555

[wensiensheng]

2 minutes ago, BananaGuy said:

You do of course pick three island nations there … and Sweden? Yes, there’s certainly an argument as to whether they did it right.
Again, surrounding Scandi countries made Sweden a virtual island once the Swedish strategy became clear. 

Truth be told and to the shame of Homo Sap., nobody has got it right for more than the blink of an eye.

 

Maybe generational change required.

Oh, sorry. I didn’t realize island nations are excluded. Wouldn’t that also exclude Australia and New Zealand from the original list though?

[Mac Mickmanus]

Just now, diddygq said:

That is one piece of the puzzle. The severe lese majeste law would forbid anybody saying anymore on the subject.  

AstraZenca are the parent company and they are the ones who allocate the vaccine , Siam Bioscience just make the vaccine for AstraZenca 

[wensiensheng]

1 minute ago, worldview said:

I know it may sound selfish, but why on earth did the Thai AZ producer ever contract to export vaccines from Thailand when they had no proven capability to produce the vaccine and they have/had not even come close to meeting the domestic demand.  Anutin doesn't need to seek any approval - the government can mandate that all locally produced vaccines will be sold/distributed locally until 'x' percentage of the Thai populace is vaccinated - if the Thai producer agreed to export the reported 40% of their production, it surely was for a profit motive, in that they could charge foreign buyers more than they can charge domestically - just another example of the greed and corruption that has surrounded the distribution of vaccines - meanwhile hundreds of people are dying every day - it is a shame to see this government incompetence continue week after week.

Original domestic demand was for 3 million doses per month, per the leaked Anutin letter. AZ could meet that. But now Thailand wants 10 mil…..

[Skeptic7]

11 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

buy some bl**dy vaccines

Agreed...but more importantly, why did you censor "bloody"??? 555

[hotchilli]

Just now, Skeptic7 said:

Agreed...but more importantly, why did you censor "bloody"??? 555

I've had enough suspensions... 

[Danderman123]

13 minutes ago, Dart12 said:

You know who "effectively controls" the virus?

The people in charge who decide what the narrative is going to be in their country.

That is the nuts and bolts of this "pandemic."  

Thailand is in total lockdown for less than 100 deaths per day and it's a failure.  Other countries they are totally open with higher death counts and it's considered huge success (credit given to drugs) and beating the virus (until they want to change teh story again).


 

Not a total lockdown in Thailand, you are confused.

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, lks7689 said:

I don't believe China's reported numbers. But I do believe life is mostly back to normal there except places with low sporadic cases, mostly towns bordering Russia or Myanmar. It will be interesting if the Delta variant is set loose in China but then they have shown that they are willing to implement hard lockdown and mass testing to prevent that from happening. 

Delta variant is wrecking havoc all over the world. China is worried too and has started developing vaccine to neutralize effect against the Delta variant. Their scientists and regulators are watching closely whether the Delata variant will render curent available vaccines and treatment insufficient. Delta variant has already infected Guangzhou in South China. Although still small, it sounded the alarm for other cities in China in preventing variant strains. Studies in Guangzhou found that vaccinated people with Sinovac showed a three-fold reduction in neutralizing effect against Delta. Results in Guangzhou are preliminary and the sample size is small though. 

Edited July 19, 2021 by Eric Loh
wrong word

[DrJack54]

This is not a wind up question.

 

I'm not sure what the "new restrictions" mean.

So for example.... yesterday we drove to Big C for a shop up. Next door we shopped in Homepro. Had intended to return today as need some accessories for artificial grass we purchased. 

Today I had planned to go check something at a townhouse we rent out to a guy (30 min visit). 40min drive each way.

The gf is telling me nothing has changed.

I tell her aseannow state things have changed. 

So ???

 

 

Edited July 19, 2021 by DrJack54

[DrJack54]

26 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

I have never known this to be the case. They do not want Westerners here long term and certainly not permanently. 

That's funny.....seems to me that they make it VERY easy. 

Arrive visa exempt, stick 800k is some Thai bank, obtain a non o and do annual extension. Oh 90 day report (agent if your lazy).

If that's difficult then making breakfast must be huge hurdle.

Edited July 19, 2021 by DrJack54

[Sharron Merrilees]

1 hour ago, diddygq said:

Only one country? What about Taiwan, New Zealand, Australia, etc?  Or you could argue that Sweden did it right. They almost had no restrictions whatsoever and just kept living normally. 

I am here in Australia and we are in our 3rd &4th lockdown now,as for Vac roll out,we are the slowest in the western world .thai polies etc. might like there brown enlvopes but ours cpome out with so much BS you don't whether to laugh or cry. 

[johnarth]

I want to know what has happened in Denmark in that they have ordered to stop Astrazeneca jab they are trying to cover it up no info

[gk10012001]

well those total mortality statistics work out to .829 per cent.  This is on par with severe flu seasons.  And this is only counting the KNOWN COVID cases, without of course testing the entire population.  Of course their have been or are many more COVID cases out there.  Not trying to diminish any death, but the numbers are not that bad relative to other diseases. 

[Nanaplaza666]

2 hours ago, impulse said:

No they don't.  They consider them safe to move around the country.

 

While they can still catch and spread it . That's not safe IMO . That can be considered safe when most of the population is fully vaccinated not only those "safe tourist" . It's all about them and the government doesn't care about their own population . As long as those "tourist" come to spend some money they don't care their own people will drop dead . 

[Fairynuff]

30 minutes ago, worldview said:

if the Thai producer agreed to export the reported 40% of their production, it surely was for a profit motive,

I think it’s far more likely that they were forced to agree to exports in order to get the contract

[gk10012001]

15 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

That's funny.....seems to me that they make it VERY easy. 

Arrive visa exempt, stick 800k is some Thai bank, obtain a non o and do annual extension. Oh 90 day report (agent if your lazy).

If that's difficult then making breakfast must be huge hurdle.

While I hate the new extra COVID insurance some visas require, as well as the Thai insurance that things like the OA visa require, and the 90 day reporting is a nuisance and fraught with frequent challenges, and I hate the USA now stopping the income letters, and that Thailand requires monthly transfers, and some offices are demanding to see some proof of where and how that money comes from, i.e. the are looking for pension and not understanding dividends, rentals, etc.. but all in all, for a retiree, I have to agree it really is not that difficult to retire or stay long term there.  It only takes a few hours a year or a day or two of effort to run around or transfer or gather up things.

[davemos]

1 hour ago, wensiensheng said:

Singapore, s Korea Barbados,. A number of countries dealt with the virus by containing it with lockdowns and vaccinating aggressively ASAP.

Sweden population 11mil , deaths from virus 14600 age ,80_90 10000 ...028% death. Hmmm 

[BE88]

1 hour ago, IamNoone88 said:

Frankly, I need to travel as I have projects and suppliers in Isaan. I have a large financial risk to manage and workers who rely on the work continuing. I fully supported the first lock downs and those since .... but this is beyond a joke now and the economic shock is far more serious - it worse not better. This is killing the economy and killing small and medium size business everywhere - which is 90% of the economy. There was a giant "super spreader" demonstration over the weekend in Bangkok by frustrated Thais - I can't blame them. The genie is out of the bottle and it is not going back in. The majority of Thais have a point - you either die of no work and no money or perhaps Covid. It is a poor choice and one that no-one should have to make. Their point is they tried lock down before and suffered and here we are again today in a worse situation. The UK is back up to 50K+ cases a day ... after multiple lock downs. My young daughter just had Covid in London and was fortunately fine - loss of taste and smell only and on a single Pfizer jab. I am a diabetic type II, high risk group and a single jab AZ. I choose the economy and my business and the livelihood of my staff who want to work first. I avoid crowds, take minimal risk/contact and follow the safe steps. Get the damn vaccines in by emergency methods and get this economy back on its feet for ordinary people. And we have received absolutely zero financial support. Can you feel the frustration?

You are absolutely right the choice and the risk of dying from covid which is very and very low and the very and very high choice of dying of hunger because in Thailand there will never be economic support for the poor to survive as in Western countries. Many examples have already shown that closing everything does not decrease the contagion slows it down but only slightly and above all the high contagion of the latest virus one can think that it does not decrease it at all.

 

Therefore it is a collective suicide in Thailand and the consequences will be dramatic for many years. Unfortunately, a government run by generals does not wait for us to have another point of view that is only to put in prison.

 

Good luck

 

 

[Boedog]

3 hours ago, TheFishman1 said:

 Amazing Thailand a country at flip flops is coming lockdown is the biggest joke ever why don’t they just lock down the whole country start rolling out the vaccine to everybody living in Thailand and maybe that was just slow down the spread of this virus I think the main problem is and has always been corruption and every level TIT

Because the PM and his bagmen cant live without the influx of brown envelopes ops l meant tourists,  we will start a more restrictive lockdown on Wednesday as Tuesday is envelope day and also everything seems to be on schedule for the PM,s 120 day plan re-opening plan, 

[spornb]

This will not be resolved until vaccinations rolled out

 

They have the ability to manufacture here, but obviously not the desire to do so

 

At 76 with other problems I am on hospital waiting lists for this but still not get it

[Michael Hare]

3 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

AFAIK there is only one country that managed to effectively control the spread of the Virus . That is China . And how did they manage this ? Remember ? Strict lockdown for whole regions . And testing .

But Thai government helped to spread the virus by allowing people to move to their home provinces from Bkk for Songkran etc .

Instead of being hard and imposing tough measures when it was time for that , they did too little . And no foresight of what probably will happen , at all . 

The mess they ( and us ) are in now could have been avoided by more intelligent measures when it was time for that .

Not quite true. New Zealand had a 5 week strict lockdown last year across the whole country. To date, only 26 deaths and most of these from infections in old people's homes before the lockdown. China never lockdown its whole country. Only certain regions.  

[ChipButty]

13 minutes ago, spornb said:

This will not be resolved until vaccinations rolled out

 

They have the ability to manufacture here, but obviously not the desire to do so

 

At 76 with other problems I am on hospital waiting lists for this but still not get it

Stay safe 

[Gottfrid]

8 hours ago, webfact said:

So far about 5% of the 66 million population have been doubly vaccinated.

First only 5 % is a disgrace to the population of the country. Just guess they are going for sinking as low as Sudan and Vietnam that only have a vaccination percentage of 0,28 % respective 0,31 %.

However, you also believe that you should be able to trust the news. The 66 million population is in reality 69 950 000. Think about it like this. If they not even can get the population facts straight. What more might they be lying about?

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, NemoH said:

Based on the stats - of 403,386 cases and 3,341 fatalities, there is 0.005% of covid amongst Thailand 7.5m population and a death rate 0.0008 % of those infected... ?? Is this true?

No.  

[metisdead]

Some off topic posts and posts generalizing about lockdown in China have been removed as this topic is about:

 

Thailand expands lockdown areas as COVID-19 cases surge

[3NUMBAS]

bar industry looks doomed forever ,it will never bounce back at this rate

[bougnat]

3 hours ago, brucegoniners said:

That's hardly a lockdown. And a lockdown is what the country needs right now. Not a band aid.

 

Lock the entire country down like was done last spring and the problem will work itself out. 

 

Don't do it and watch the situation spiral out of control. Instead of a hundred dead a day you'll start seeing deaths in 4 digits daily and perhaps more.

 

And frankly, I can't trust the numbers this government is giving us now.

It is not in the street that the virus is transmitted but at home and all confined places, and specifically in Thailand where often several generations live together under the same roof and in often cramped and unsanitary housing.

[ZenoBresson]

4 hours ago, brucegoniners said:

Lock the entire country down like was done last spring and the problem will work itself out.

Of course ... and why do we have a problem again?

[Road Warrior]

5%  out of 66 million vaccinated  !!!!  ow well done 

[sead]

Let's brainstorm a bit

Restrictions means no demonstrations. 

Restrictions means someone has to be borrow money from some friends and I guess they'll benefit big when it's payback time

Buying vaccinations now means someone who have shares in the Thai developed vaccines are loosing big money. 

But this is only speculations...