Thailand expands lockdown areas as COVID-19 cases surge

[wensiensheng]

11 minutes ago, kingstonkid said:

 

And that tells us why they are having such success with sinovac.

 

Sinovac like AZ was rushed and created to resolve the covid 19 base virus.

The problem now is that every-time a new variant comes out they have to recheck and reinvent or decide the best way to fight the new variant.  

Not entirely true in terms of sinovac and border closures though is it?

 

this article has some information from Chinese scientists on the efficacy of the two Chinese vaccines (spoiler alert, the Chinese vaccines lose efficacy against delta), but read the bit about how the Chinese dealt with a delta cluster in their southern border province. The cluster was similar to the Thonglor cluster in size and the province has more people living in greater density than the population of Thailand. But the Chinese controlled the cluster. An object lesson for Thailand, although immaterial now as the clock can’t be turned back.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/are-chinese-covid-19-shots-effective-against-delta-variant-2021-06-29/

 

of course, all vaccines for any virus have to be continually updated, for the simple reason that viruses mutate. There is nothing new in that.

[wensiensheng]

3 hours ago, Michael Hare said:

Not quite true. New Zealand had a 5 week strict lockdown last year across the whole country. To date, only 26 deaths and most of these from infections in old people's homes before the lockdown. China never lockdown its whole country. Only certain regions.  

True. Although to be fair, a number, if not all, of those Chinese regional lockdowns exceeded the country wide lockdown in New Zealand, in terms of number of people. I shouldn’t be surprised if it’s also the case in terms of geographic area, although it’s only a guess.

[Danderman123]

5 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Delta variant is wrecking havoc all over the world. China is worried too and has started developing vaccine to neutralize effect against the Delta variant. Their scientists and regulators are watching closely whether the Delata variant will render curent available vaccines and treatment insufficient. Delta variant has already infected Guangzhou in South China. Although still small, it sounded the alarm for other cities in China in preventing variant strains. Studies in Guangzhou found that vaccinated people with Sinovac showed a three-fold reduction in neutralizing effect against Delta. Results in Guangzhou are preliminary and the sample size is small though. 

Surprisingly, the people who claim that China is filled with infections are not responding to you.

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, Michael Hare said:

Spreading again in Israel, one of the best vaccinated countries in the world. 

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/
 

Well, not so much.

 

You see, vaccines are effective in reducing infections.

[Skeptic7]

3 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

they need to have very clearly defined parameters.

Been here for 25 years and honestly can't say there's ever been such a thing as 'clearly defined' anything here. Why would we expect it now? 

[James105]

2 minutes ago, Skeptic7 said:

Been here for 25 years and honestly can't say there's ever been such a thing as 'clearly defined' anything here. Why would we expect it now? 

Seems perfectly clear to me.  Stay at home.   Unless it is of course necessary to go out and then you can so long as it is before 9pm.   Everything that I do is necessary when I do it otherwise of course I would not do it in the first place as it would be... well....unnecessary.   So between the hours of 4am and 9pm tomorrow life will remain roughly the same I should think.

[kingstonkid]

52 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

Not entirely true in terms of sinovac and border closures though is it?

 

this article has some information from Chinese scientists on the efficacy of the two Chinese vaccines (spoiler alert, the Chinese vaccines lose efficacy against delta), but read the bit about how the Chinese dealt with a delta cluster in their southern border province. The cluster was similar to the Thonglor cluster in size and the province has more people living in greater density than the population of Thailand. But the Chinese controlled the cluster. An object lesson for Thailand, although immaterial now as the clock can’t be turned back.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/are-chinese-covid-19-shots-effective-against-delta-variant-2021-06-29/

 

of course, all vaccines for any virus have to be continually updated, for the simple reason that viruses mutate. There is nothing new in that.

There is an advantage to being a communist or socialist country like China, NK, Iran etal.

 

Once the government say s something it is done and there is none of this pesky rights questions 55555

[Optomist]

20 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/
 

Well, not so much.

 

You see, vaccines are effective in reducing infections.

Vaccines are not necessarily effective in reducing infections, but they are effective in reducing deaths. Just look at the UK, where infections are rising rapidly but deaths are rising at a slower rate even though 54% of the population (36M) people have been fully vaccinated including myself. Do i feel safe, NO, but I do feel safer than if I was back in Thailand, and that is the reason I am still here.

[hugocnx]

3,341 fatalities; is that total like since the beginning of the 'pandamic'?

If so, than the fatalities are 0.003% of the population. (3341/1.5/70,000,000%)

Even if one would make a correction of let's say 50% of the population because the outbreak is more concentrated around Bangkok, than it is still a whopping 0.006%.

What to think about data below? Nobody blinked an eye.

 

 

[brewsterbudgen]

6 minutes ago, James105 said:

Seems perfectly clear to me.  Stay at home.   Unless it is of course necessary to go out and then you can so long as it is before 9pm.   Everything that I do is necessary when I do it otherwise of course I would not do it in the first place as it would be... well....unnecessary.   So between the hours of 4am and 9pm tomorrow life will remain roughly the same I should think.

Yes.  Seems perfectly clear to me too.  I wouldn't do very much if it wasn't necessary.

Edited July 19, 2021 by brewsterbudgen

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1 hour ago, wensiensheng said:

Not entirely true in terms of sinovac and border closures though is it?

 

this article has some information from Chinese scientists on the efficacy of the two Chinese vaccines (spoiler alert, the Chinese vaccines lose efficacy against delta), but read the bit about how the Chinese dealt with a delta cluster in their southern border province. The cluster was similar to the Thonglor cluster in size and the province has more people living in greater density than the population of Thailand. But the Chinese controlled the cluster. An object lesson for Thailand, although immaterial now as the clock can’t be turned back.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/are-chinese-covid-19-shots-effective-against-delta-variant-2021-06-29/

 

of course, all vaccines for any virus have to be continually updated, for the simple reason that viruses mutate. There is nothing new in that.

Not that it has much relevance to covid, but lots of antiviral vaccines don't need constant updating. I don't think there has been much done for polio, measles, smallpox. Some viruses are a lot more likely to mutate in threatening ways than are others.

[RJRS1301]

3 minutes ago, hugocnx said:

3,341 fatalities; is that total like since the beginning of the 'pandamic'?

If so, than the fatalities are 0.003% of the population. (3341/1.5/70,000,000%)

Even if one would make a correction of let's say 50% of the population because the outbreak is more concentrated around Bangkok, than it is still a whopping 0.006%.

What to think about data below? Nobody blinked an eye.

 

 

It is about not overwhelming an already filled to capacity covid treatment in hospital system.

not to mention the post infection situation faced by many with longer term incapacities including cardiac, and respiratory insufficiencies .

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9 minutes ago, hugocnx said:

3,341 fatalities; is that total like since the beginning of the 'pandamic'?

If so, than the fatalities are 0.003% of the population. (3341/1.5/70,000,000%)

Even if one would make a correction of let's say 50% of the population because the outbreak is more concentrated around Bangkok, than it is still a whopping 0.006%.

What to think about data below? Nobody blinked an eye.

 

 

The question isn't how many there are now, it's how many there are going to be.

Also,

11 minutes ago, hugocnx said:

3,341 fatalities; is that total like since the beginning of the 'pandamic'?

If so, than the fatalities are 0.003% of the population. (3341/1.5/70,000,000%)

Even if one would make a correction of let's say 50% of the population because the outbreak is more concentrated around Bangkok, than it is still a whopping 0.006%.

What to think about data below? Nobody blinked an eye.

 

 

Can someone explain to me why it seems to be that case that it's mostly covid denialists who seem to have a problem providing links?

[RJRS1301]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Not that it has much relevance to covid, but lots of antiviral vaccines don't need constant updating. I don't think there has been much done for polio, measles, smallpox. Some viruses are a lot more likely to mutate in threatening ways than are others.

Smallpox, polio, measles are not Coronus  viral infections, different family and mutations occuring rapidly.   Mutating to fight the vaccine protections for its own survival .

 

[Eric Loh]

41 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Surprisingly, the people who claim that China is filled with infections are not responding to you.

As Dr. Fauci said that the Covid outbreak isn't a political issue. You can't run away from the fact. I would add that the Covid isn't a nationalistic issue too. 

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3 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

Smallpox, polio, measles are not Coronus  viral infections, different family and mutations occuring rapidly.   Mutating to fight the vaccine protections for its own survival .

 

I agree. But I was replying to this:

"of course, all vaccines for any virus have to be continually updated, for the simple reason that viruses mutate. There is nothing new in that."

[gejohesch]

7 hours ago, wensiensheng said:

Well, a lot of the announcements relate the same purchase so as to give the impression that more are being ordered, than actually are. The infamous Moderna 5 mil for the end of the year is a classic case in point.

Smoke screen, fig leaf and propaganda as usual. Facts and reality do not count as much as impressions and feelings!

[Pracha Duang]

13 hours ago, Albert Zweistein said:

Stepping up efforts, under consideration. JUST ORDER THE ******* JABS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why would they though?

 

Is it not obvious what the agenda here is? I would say that a large portion of Thailand and the Western world would like to see certain folks out of power.

“In addition, US pharmaceutical companies are said to have walked away from Thailand rather than contravene the US Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.” 

 

You honestly think US Pharma has backed out of Thailand because of corruption worries? US Pharma is literally the most corrupt entity on earth and only cares about one thing: $$$. 
 

Making the current administration appear as incompetent as possible via covid is the main goal here. Even if it’s a mostly accurate description, why would those in power cave to the wants of Western society, particularly when they have China to bully back?? They wouldn’t.
 

This whole thing was never about covid and never has been. Covid is political chess and has been since day 1. I seriously doubt we will get vaccines anytime soon. The US and Europe will need to offer more than China is offering before the Thais play ball.

[Skeptic7]

14 minutes ago, James105 said:

Seems perfectly clear to me.  Stay at home.   Unless it is of course necessary to go out and then you can so long as it is before 9pm.   Everything that I do is necessary when I do it otherwise of course I would not do it in the first place as it would be... well....unnecessary.   So between the hours of 4am and 9pm tomorrow life will remain roughly the same I should think.

Right. Perfectly clear...as mud. And as usual. Your activities might seem perfectly clear and necessary in your subjective opinion, but maybe not in the eyes of Nanny and Big Brother State's eyes. Might just not see it your way. 

 

Anyway...no matter to me. My response was to a poster asking for clarity and about work. I couldn't care less. I don't work and pretty much do what I want...when I want and who I want. Besides my massage, shopping, happy hours, dining and beach & pool time are all essential and necessary to me. 

[WingFat]

9 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

AFAIK there is only one country that managed to effectively control the spread of the Virus . That is China . And how did they manage this ? Remember ? Strict lockdown for whole regions . And testing .

But Thai government helped to spread the virus by allowing people to move to their home provinces from Bkk for Songkran etc .

Instead of being hard and imposing tough measures when it was time for that , they did too little . And no foresight of what probably will happen , at all . 

The mess they ( and us ) are in now could have been avoided by more intelligent measures when it was time for that .

Go ahead and believe what China reports to the world...and while you're at it, you can also believe in the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus and Unicorns.

[Eric Loh]

10 minutes ago, WingFat said:

Go ahead and believe what China reports to the world...and while you're at it, you can also believe in the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus and Unicorns.

There are many sites that you can search, track and update country by country cases and spread of COVID-19. Here some of them:-

worldometers.info/coronavirus/

edition.cnn.com/interactive/2020/health/coronavirus-maps and cases/

coronavirus.jhu.edu

If your mind already made up, then ignore these sites. 

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3 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

There are many sites that you can search, track and update country by country cases and spread of COVID-19. Here some of them:-

worldometers.info/coronavirus/

edition.cnn.com/interactive/2020/health/coronavirus-maps and cases/

coronavirus.jhu.edu

If your mind already made up, then ignore these sites. 

Well wordometers depends on govt reports. So lots of poor nations that don't really have public health services report very low numbers if not zero.

As for China, the thing is, that there are lots of foreigners spread throughout China. So if hospitals were overflowing with coronavirus patients, we'd know about it. China is not North Korea

China also has the advantage of being an Orwellian police state. So it has far better means than most to enforce its rules.

[nauseus]

9 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

AFAIK there is only one country that managed to effectively control the spread of the Virus . That is China . And how did they manage this ? Remember ? Strict lockdown for whole regions . And testing .

But Thai government helped to spread the virus by allowing people to move to their home provinces from Bkk for Songkran etc .

Instead of being hard and imposing tough measures when it was time for that , they did too little . And no foresight of what probably will happen , at all . 

The mess they ( and us ) are in now could have been avoided by more intelligent measures when it was time for that .

You have to be kidding about the first para.

[Eric Loh]

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Well wordometers depends on govt reports. So lots of poor nations that don't really have public health services report very low numbers if not zero.

As for China, the thing is, that there are lots of foreigners spread throughout China. So if hospitals were overflowing with coronavirus patients, we'd know about it. China is not North Korea

China also has the advantage of being an Orwellian police state. So it has far better means than most to enforce its rules.

I believed there are 4 US news organizations and their journalists in China including CNN, Bloomberg, WSJ and non US news organization like Reuters. I am sure they can spot overflowing hospitals and mortuaries. 

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2 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

I believed there are 4 US news organizations and their journalists in China including CNN, Bloomberg, WSJ and non US news organization like Reuters. I am sure they can spot overflowing hospitals and mortuaries. 

That too. But they are concentrated in a few major cities. Whereas there are expats living throughout China.

[wensiensheng]

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

Not that it has much relevance to covid, but lots of antiviral vaccines don't need constant updating. I don't think there has been much done for polio, measles, smallpox. Some viruses are a lot more likely to mutate in threatening ways than are others.

I think anti genic drift is far more likely with very infectious diseases because there are more cases and therefore more opportunity for mutation.

[lolalol]

12 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

AFAIK there is only one country that managed to effectively control the spread of the Virus . That is China . And how did they manage this ? Remember ? Strict lockdown for whole regions . And testing .

But Thai government helped to spread the virus by allowing people to move to their home provinces from Bkk for Songkran etc .

Instead of being hard and imposing tough measures when it was time for that , they did too little . And no foresight of what probably will happen , at all . 

The mess they ( and us ) are in now could have been avoided by more intelligent measures when it was time for that .

I actually agree with you on that China did best in effectively controlling the spread of the virus. 

 

And I think they did it best because they made it themselves. 

 

 

 

[kimamey]

16 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Interesting that they now consider tourists for reopening programs in the same category as medical flights and emergency landings !

 

 

I wonder what  "flights in connection with the government's tourism reopening programs"  means exactly? I was waiting to see if things improved a bit but that's seeming much less likely now.

 

International tourists would fly direct in most cases I would have thought so does this mean that domestic tourists are OK?  If I entered using the Phuket Sandbox how would I leave? Could I fly out?  Would that be considered  "in connection with the government's tourism reopening programs"? I need to get to Mahasarakham so if I needed to take a bus that's a long journey and may well involve a change in Bangkok I would have thought. I'm not sure how many flights there would be under these circumstances even if they were allowed. I might have to use the Bangkok quarantine and then get the bus to Mahasarakham.

 

Of course this is just trying to navigate the vague rules as they are now which could change shortly anyway.

[Scott]

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[peter48]

There only two Thai priorities to save lives: 1. Get Pfizer jabs to the people 2. Get Astra Zenica jabs to the people then Thailand will have a chance to catch up with US or UK ( although neither were perfect they have got their very high death rates down) , but better the social democracies of Europe : Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Holland. Germany, France, Belguim, Italy, Austria  Spain, Canada etc