Thailand reports 14,260 new COVID-19 cases, 119 more deaths

[anchadian]

The Armys funeral division has been told to help with the funerals for Covid-19 victims

Army chief General Narongphan Jitkaewtae on Friday issued the order to the funeral divisions under Quartermaster Department of every Army corps.

 

“Every Army corps has a funeral division, which is responsible for arranging the funeral for Army personnel who died in action,” said Narongphan.

 

“They collect the body, identify the deceased with help from the relatives and then dress up the body for cremation.”

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40003699

[DrJack54]

33 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Here. AZ should offer some protection. When pfizer or moderna comes here in enough numbers it may be an option.

Realize it's bit of a guess......Do you think that Thailand could see meaningful supply of Pfizer and Moderna early next year?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

23 minutes ago, anchadian said:

AstraZeneca have written an “open letter” to Thailand to say they are producing as many vaccines as they can. They will also scour global supply chains to bring in more doses to the region. According to AZ 1 dose is 87 percent effective at preventing serious Delta infections.

https://twitter.com/ThaiEnquirer/status/1418766355449344004

 

 

The 11+ million doses AZ is promising Thailand by the end of July compares to the 16 million or so AZ doses that the Thai government had publicly promised would be delivered during that time.

 

 

vs

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/nbtworld/photos/a.101517679586

 

and

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/thailandprd/posts/4021656414524409

 

 

Edited July 24, 2021 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[ThailandRyan]

3 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Every Army corps has a funeral division, which is responsible for arranging the funeral for Army personnel who died in action,” said Narongphan.

What military action has Thailand lost a military individual in?

[dinsdale]

3 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Realize it's bit of a guess......Do you think that Thailand could see meaningful supply of Pfizer and Moderna early next year?

It's possible. I think the only way we will get it is to pay for it in the private hospitals. Why they are still buying Sinovac is crazy. This is a vac that may have been effective against the original but it's becoming more and more evident that against Delta it is way inferior to mRNA vaccs. I think we all know why they continue to purchase SinoVac and it's because of this we are where we are. To have enough people fully vaccinated is a long way in the future because those who have been double jabbed with the Chinese juice will all need boosters. This whole shamozzle is likely to go into 2023. 

[placeholder]

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

It's possible. I think the only way we will get it is to pay for it in the private hospitals. Why they are still buying Sinovac is crazy. This is a vac that may have been effective against the original but it's becoming more and more evident that against Delta it is way inferior to mRNA vaccs. I think we all know why they continue to purchase SinoVac and it's because of this we are where we are. To have enough people fully vaccinated is a long way in the future because those who have been double jabbed with the Chinese juice will all need boosters. This whole shamozzle is likely to go into 2023. 

What does "way inferior" mean in terms of reducing hospitalizations and death? Anyway, if you can find other vaccines that can immediately replace Sinovoc's and Sinopharm's vaccines, please share that source with us. 

[dinsdale]

13 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

What military action has Thailand lost a military individual in?

Lose plenty in training for action. Other than that down south if you call that a military action. 

[ABCbangkok]

As to the effectiveness of Chinese vaccines, some posters here are touting the Chilean success.
 

Well look at the dates of the reports of the ‘success’. Some are a few months old which in the COVID era is a long time.

 

This from a July 10th study by The University of Chile:

 

… if this study is correct, the CoronaVac vaccine could be correlated to a mutation, one that’s led to a more transmissible and potent mutant. The authors suggest mass vaccination programs conducted directly in SARS-CoV-2 hotspots should be coupled with “strict genomic surveillance.”
 

https://trialsitenews.com/university-of-chile-scientists-study-indicates-sinovacs-vaccine-elicits-more-transmissible-potent-variant-called-lambada/

Yes. Who knew that viruses mutate? 

 

In anticipating some blowback for

posting this ‘less-than-flattering’ report of the Chinese vaccines, please read the research at the link first before passing judgement (bias).
 

Opinion and conjectures are one thing, and scientific research another. (Don’t shoot the messenger, cause you don’t like the facts.)

 

[Pattaya Spotter]

26 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

The official statistics show Thailand in recent weeks passed the Philippines with a higher current per capita COVID death rate.

 

 

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths

 

But the Philippines still has a higher cumulative per capita COVID death rate, from earlier in the pandemic when its death rates were very high, before falling during the past two months.

 

 

 

The overall pandemic rate is key; it will be interesting to see where Thailand ends up after a few months of high case numbers.

[anchadian]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Chonburi Public Health Office has just announced they have 662 new cases and two more deaths. Most new cases are in Chonburi City (162), Bang Lamung/Pattaya (127), and Si Racha (172). The total cases so far is now 19,114 with 8,580 remaining in care

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1418721115971665923

 

Further details here....too many to list.
https://thepattayanews.com/2021/07/24/chonburi-announces-662-new-and-confirmed-cases-of-covid-19-with-two-deaths/

[Swimfan]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

If going on those figures of 19,000 cases to 94 deaths then I make it 0.5% mortality rate

Might be best to wait and see how many of the 8.5k active cases go. 

[dinsdale]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

What does "way inferior" mean in terms of reducing hospitalizations and death? Anyway, if you can find other vaccines that can immediately replace Sinovoc's and Sinopharm's vaccines, please share that source with us. 

Doctors say it's inferior to mRNA vaccs. That's good enough for me. If you think you know better than the ever increasing number of heath professional then good for you. 

[ThailandRyan]

3 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Lose plenty in training for action. Other than that down south if you call that a military action. 

I stand corrected, the war on the insurgency and the bombing and ambush attacks therein. You are of course right.

[Swimfan]

1 hour ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

The difference in mortality rates between ???????? and the ???????? is notable...as most who have spent time in both places can relate, the healthcare is much better in Thailand than the Philippines. 

To a point. But as we see the health system becomes more overwhelmed the fatality rate is likely to increase as ventilators and oxygen become in short supply. 

[James105]

 

3 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Further details here....too many to list.
https://thepattayanews.com/2021/07/24/chonburi-announces-662-new-and-confirmed-cases-of-covid-19-with-two-deaths/

Got to be worth mentioning this one though:

1. "A risky career, meeting a lot of people, 13 cases"

I think we all know what that means.    You pay your money, you take your chance.

[Bkk Brian]

Another nurse dies of covid today

 

#RIP Nurse Praephat, frontline infected with coronavirus, dies Professional friends flock to mourn the nurse "Praphat Thanyawat Taweesuk", a registered nurse. Kasemrad Hospital Bang Khae died today after contracting coronavirus from work. by acting as an officer at the COVID testing point

https://twitter.com/TheBoss_No7/status/1418708458073849857

 

[anchadian]

8 minutes ago, Swimfan said:

To a point. But as we see the health system becomes more overwhelmed the fatality rate is likely to increase as ventilators and oxygen become in short supply. 

Yesterday, the BP reported that his Majesty the King has donated more than 2.8 billion baht for procurement of medical supplies and equipment.

 

 

Edited July 24, 2021 by anchadian

[anchadian]

TIMELINE: Si Racha and Chonburi informs residents who visited places in relation to the most recent Covid -19 confirmed cases

 

List of places here:

https://thepattayanews.com/2021/07/24/timeline-si-racha-and-chonburi-informs-residents-who-visited-places-in-relation-to-the-most-recent-covid-19-confirmed-cases/

[Pattaya Spotter]

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Another nurse dies of covid today

 

#RIP Nurse Praephat, frontline infected with coronavirus, dies Professional friends flock to mourn the nurse "Praphat Thanyawat Taweesuk", a registered nurse. Kasemrad Hospital Bang Khae died today after contracting coronavirus from work. by acting as an officer at the COVID testing point

https://twitter.com/TheBoss_No7/status/1418708458073849857

 

A real heroine ????????

Edited July 24, 2021 by Pattaya Spotter

[placeholder]

11 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Doctors say it's inferior to mRNA vaccs. That's good enough for me. If you think you know better than the ever increasing number of heath professional then good for you. 

It is overwhelmingly likely that it is inferior to mRNA vacs in regards to the Delta variant?. But what does that translate to in actual numerical terms? Will it only cut death rates in half as opposed to 90%? Would only 50% justify not using it but rather waiting for something more effective? And keep in mind that doctors are frontline healthcare workers, so they are in far more peril than are most others.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

There's also some question about just how Thailand has been counting the AZ vaccine doses it has received....

 

On the night of July 18, the government posted this tally showing 8 million plus doses received, with my annotations in red:

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/informationcovid19/photos/a.106142991004034/367522228199441/?type=3

 

It was pointed out that the July 12 entry above appeared to be counting the 1 million plus AZ doses donated by the Japanese government, which were not produced in Thailand, and also questions about the nearly 1.8 million dose entry on June 4.

 

So then subsequent to that, the government posted a new and different and lesser recap of its AZ vaccine doses. Note the new 5.5 million total instead of 8 million. The nearly 1.8 million entry on June 4 is changed to 178,000+. And the 1 million doses donated to Thailand by Japan was removed from the updated list.

 

 

So when AZ says they have "delivered" doses to Thailand, does that mean from their local Thailand production facility, or does that mean from everywhere, which may account for at least part of the difference between the two totals above.

 

Considering the 1 million plus AZ doses from Japan that weren't produced in Thailand. And, in late May and early June, Reuters and the BKK Post both reported that Thailand had quietly bought several hundred thousand AZ doses from South Korea. The Post said 500,000. Reuters said 200,000.

 

As of a MoPH update through July 22 (see below), the government said it had only administered a total of 6.85 million AZ doses in Thailand thus far, which if you count the 1 million AZ doses from Japan and several hundred thousand more from South Korea, begins to get close to the notion of 5.5 million Thailand produced AZ doses as of earlier this month.

 

:

https://www.facebook.com/fanmoph/photos/a.135975766428787/6565103933515906/?type=3

 

 

[Danderman123]

19 minutes ago, ABCbangkok said:

As to the effectiveness of Chinese vaccines, some posters here are touting the Chilean success.
 

Well look at the dates of the reports of the ‘success’. Some are a few months old which in the COVID era is a long time.

 

This from a July 10th study by The University of Chile:

 

… if this study is correct, the CoronaVac vaccine could be correlated to a mutation, one that’s led to a more transmissible and potent mutant. The authors suggest mass vaccination programs conducted directly in SARS-CoV-2 hotspots should be coupled with “strict genomic surveillance.”
 

https://trialsitenews.com/university-of-chile-scientists-study-indicates-sinovacs-vaccine-elicits-more-transmissible-potent-variant-called-lambada/

Yes. Who knew that viruses mutate? 

 

In anticipating some blowback for

posting this ‘less-than-flattering’ report of the Chinese vaccines, please read the research at the link first before passing judgement (bias).
 

Opinion and conjectures are one thing, and scientific research another. (Don’t shoot the messenger, cause you don’t like the facts.)

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/chile/

 

Looks like success to me, based on today’s chart.
 

[mancub]

2 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

That could be interpreted as 50% but I know you don't mean that. It's the same...half of one-percent (written different ways).

If you can somehow  interpret 0.5% as being the same as 50% , then you too can apply for a job with TAT.

Edited July 24, 2021 by mancub
misspelt

[DrJack54]

8 minutes ago, placeholder said:

And keep in mind that doctors are frontline healthcare workers, so they are in far more peril than are most others.

Are they the same ones that will now receive a booster (mNRA)  for their Sinovac jabs.

 

[edwinchester]

2 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

That could be interpreted as 50% but I know you don't mean that. It's the same...half of one-percent (written different ways).

0.5% can only be interpreted as 50% by an idiot.

[placeholder]

2 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Are they the same ones that will now receive a booster (mNRA)  for their Sinovac jabs.

 

I hope so.

[ABCbangkok]

33 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Anyway, if you can find other vaccines that can immediately replace Sinovoc's and Sinopharm's vaccines, please share that source with us. 

How is it that SK can make the effort in at least providing some mRNA vaccines while Thailand says no to those in the private sector such as the private hospitals that can source some more effective vaccines?

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/skorean-companies-offer-employees-covid-19-vaccines-work-2021-06-29/

 

The narrative that there is no mRNA product available is wearing thin. There is product but you have to line up for it and the sooner the better.
 

The Thai govt is still dragging its feet and unwilling to do right by the people. (Though it should be congratulated on joining COVAX — over a year after everyone in the world who needed it, signed up for it. Thai pride?)

 

Here’s how to do it right and do it now, so this time next year Thai officials don’t have to make ridiculous excuses:

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/skorea-secure-more-mrna-vaccines-covid-19-booster-shot-2021-06-29/

 

 

 

 

Edited July 24, 2021 by ABCbangkok

[placeholder]

2 minutes ago, ABCbangkok said:

Here’s how to do it right and do it now, so this time next year Thai officials don’t have to make ridiculous excuses:

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/skorea-secure-more-mrna-vaccines-covid-19-booster-shot-2021-06-29/

 

But this is for next year. I asked if it's better not to use the Chinese vaccines and wait until a more effective option comes along.

[placeholder]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I hope so.

I don't understand why DrJack54 is confused by my hope that frontline health care workers get an additional mRNA vaccine. Nowhere have I written that the Chinese vaccines are as effective as the Western vaccines. What I have written is that in lieu of something better, it's better than not being vaccinated at all.

[DrJack54]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I hope so.

Why are they giving front line health workers (that received Sinovac) mNHR boosters.

While your at it look at some other countries attitude. 

Think Singapore not even recognizing it now.