Thailand reports 14,260 new COVID-19 cases, 119 more deaths

[wensiensheng]

17 minutes ago, candide said:

It's not the average Somchai who will travel overseas and, most of all, get an official certificate to get vaccinated. 

 

This may be a convenient way to be able to vaccinate well-connected people and other "good people" who don't belong to any high risk category

I’d say there is approximately 100% chance that you are correct.

[LosLobo]

38 minutes ago, James105 said:

It's confusing the way it is reported.   Take this example:  https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/23/delta-variant-pfizer-covid-vaccine-39percent-effective-in-israel-prevents-severe-illness.html

 

Israel say its only 39% effective but still prevents severe illness, whereas UK says it is 88% effective at preventing "symptomatic disease"

Preventing severe illness or symptomatic disease is not the same as protection from infection and transmission.

 

I know it is difficult to find an article as clear cut as the one from WHO.

 

Sorry but you have not convinced me that the WHO article which says "Vaccines provide at least some protection from infection and transmission" has been overtaken by new developments and is now redundant.

 

 

 

Edited July 24, 2021 by LosLobo

[dinsdale]

32 minutes ago, JensenZ said:

What does it mean, "catching covid", or "catch the virus"? If a vaccinated person was in a room full of infected people, the virus is in the air. The vaccinated person would be breathing it into his lungs and nasal passages, in which case he "caught" the virus. If he has natural or vaccinated immunity, how does he "catch covid"? Are you suggesting he caught covid if the viruses are attempting to attack his cells, even if they are unsuccessful? How long do the viruses stick around in a person who is 100% immune?

The virus is Sars-Cov-2 the disease is Covid-19.

[The Cipher]

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Again, vaccinated or no, you CANNOT compare numbers of a first world healthcare system with a developing one that is incompetent and more concerned with face.  

Is Thailand's medical system good? Not just for Covid but generally? I haven't had cause to see a doctor in years, but thought this was a medical tourism destination with a reputation for high quality care.

[wensiensheng]

10 minutes ago, The Cipher said:

Is Thailand's medical system good? Not just for Covid but generally? I haven't had cause to see a doctor in years, but thought this was a medical tourism destination with a reputation for high quality care.

Well, walk into a private hospital in Bangkok, then wander into a provincial hospital in the back of beyond. See if you spot any differences.

[wensiensheng]

1 hour ago, anchadian said:

Each province's daily domestic COVID-19 cases update in Thailand on Saturday

Total: 14,248

https://twitter.com/NBTWORLDNews/status/1418828445304360961

 

Hmm, Phuket at 21 cases. This isn’t a good week. They will be polishing up their excuses as to why 90 cases wasn’t a hard number in terms of sandbox conditions.

[anchadian]

Today there were 119 deaths in #Thailand

 

66 males & 53 females

5 foreigners died

Median age is 66 (30-94 years)

Most deaths in Bangkok (61)

Deaths reported in 26 provinces

40% died in less than 6 days of diagnosis

24 were infected by family members

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1418839656603529218

 

[anchadian]

Out of 13,593 local cases (outside of prisons), most in

 

Bangkok - 2,745

Samut Sakhon - 1,054

Samut Prakan - 908

Nonthaburi - 663

Chonburi - 662

Chachoengsao - 385

Rayong - 332

Kanchanaburi - 294

Pathum Thani - 285

Ubon - 224

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1418840805859643393

 

[mancub]

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

I don't understand your question. I was pointing out that Frontline workers face a greater threat both of being infected and getting ill than do most other people.

Questioning your statement that ....   "Coronavac will be more effective for the rest of us than it is for them".  

If you're exposed and infected then it's the same equation for everyone, depending on personal health and reaction.

. If AZ, Moderna or other vaccines are held to be more efficient, then surely the frontline workers should receive them as a priority.

[anchadian]

Thailand Shifts Strategies, Joins COVAX, Strengthens Public Health to Battle Covid-19

 

With funding from the European Union (EU) and new strategies, Thailand hopes toget infections and mortality rates from the coronavirus down in the next couple of months

 

To this end, Thailand is negotiating to join the Covid-19 Vaccines Global Access (COVAX) scheme, according to Dr Nakorn Premsri, the director of the National Vaccine Institute, who explained that this is to manage risks in 2022 and not a “back and forth” decision as critics have said. “The decision is part of the government’s risk management plan to prepare for the changing situation due mainly to virus mutations,” he said.

 

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/thailand-shifts-strategies-joins-covax-strengthens-public-health-to-battle-covid-19/

[crazykopite]

If they upped there daily testing I’m sure the figure would be above 18,000 per day there daily testing is abysmal as for deaths who knows someone out in the sticks could be dead in bed without anyone knowing it’s gone very quiet about the four who died on the streets of Bangkok this past week although they did confirm two had Covid but what about the other two

[placeholder]

2 minutes ago, mancub said:

Questioning your statement that ....   "Coronavac will be more effective for the rest of us than it is for them".  

If you're exposed and infected then it's the same equation for everyone, depending on personal health and reaction.

. If AZ, Moderna or other vaccines are held to be more efficient, then surely the frontline workers should receive them as a priority.

It will be more effective for us because we are exposed to the virus a lot less than they are. And to a lot less of the virus than they are. Viral loads matter too.

[GrandPapillon]

meanwhile Australians are starting to revolt over the lockdown, simply because authorities found only a dozen of cases before ordering the lockdown ????

 

speak of over-reaction LOL

 

and to make things worse, the vaccine rollout is weak with only 14% of the population ????

 

Australians should not expect "back to normal" before 2022, exactly like Thailand

 

sounds like Thailand the rest of SE Asia are in the same boat, and not alone

Edited July 24, 2021 by GrandPapillon

[GrandPapillon]

4 minutes ago, crazykopite said:

If they upped there daily testing I’m sure the figure would be above 18,000 per day there daily testing is abysmal as for deaths who knows someone out in the sticks could be dead in bed without anyone knowing it’s gone very quiet about the four who died on the streets of Bangkok this past week although they did confirm two had Covid but what about the other two

are they testing the dead people? probably not, only counting COVID admissions that resulted in death

 

the real numbers are 3x the official number, but this was the same in every country

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, GrandPapillon said:

meanwhile Australians are starting to revolt over the lockdown, simply because authorities found only a dozen of cases before ordering the lockdown ????

 

speak of over-reaction LOL

 

 

Without a lockdown , there would be a huge surge in infections and the lockdown would then be imposed and it would have to go on for longer

[dinsdale]

Monday sees Thailand join the 500,000+ total infectoins club and at this rate the 600,000+ club early August and the 100,000,000+ club by the time this idiot wants to open up Thailand. 

[jacko45k]

1 hour ago, jacob29 said:

None show mortality rates in excess of 1% to my knowledge,

Wise up a bit.

Source....

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

Edited July 24, 2021 by jacko45k

[placeholder]

26 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

Hmm, Phuket at 21 cases. This isn’t a good week. They will be polishing up their excuses as to why 90 cases wasn’t a hard number in terms of sandbox conditions.

One thing to consider, though, is that restrictions in Phuket are a lot more relaxed than elsewhere in Thailand. Is mask wearing mandatory indoors and outdoors there?

[jacko45k]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

I actually know the answer to this!

 

In Mexico, they only count people who test positive and who die in a hospital. Since they don’t test many people, the overall numbers are low, but there is a very high ratio of hospital deaths to overall cases because nobody goes to the hospital until and unless they are almost dead AND the hospitals are full.

Well we did talk of Peru but I accept this scenario..... as a possibility. But not for other countries with mortality figures over or close to 2% like the USA. 

Testing, if limited to such extremes, would seriously sway mortality numbers.  That said, with over 4,000,000 dead so far.... I struggle with the concept it is 0.5% or less. I still don't want to catch it!

Edited July 24, 2021 by jacko45k

[Eric Loh]

25 minutes ago, mancub said:

Questioning your statement that ....   "Coronavac will be more effective for the rest of us than it is for them".  

If you're exposed and infected then it's the same equation for everyone, depending on personal health and reaction.

. If AZ, Moderna or other vaccines are held to be more efficient, then surely the frontline workers should receive them as a priority.

There are numerous unknowns regarding vaccines including the effectiveness of individual vaccines. New virus variants are not the only unknown due to lack of scientific trials. There are still unknowns as regard to timing between each vaccine dose, the effect of vaccines on asymptomatic infection in contrast to severe disease, the waning of vaccine immunity, and the potentially enhanced effectiveness of mix-and-match strategies that might be used with booster shots. Those that post anecdotal examples of vaccines effectiveness are just their opinion and have zero scientific merits. Some are simply targeting specific vaccines based on their personal animosity. 

[DrJack54]

31 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

meanwhile Australians are starting to revolt over the lockdown, simply because authorities found only a dozen of cases before ordering the lockdown

"Revolt".... nonsense.

In reality the NSW government is being heavily critized for not going into lockdown sooner.

 

[apetley]

7 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

That could be interpreted as 50% but I know you don't mean that. It's the same...half of one-percent (written different ways).

You're wrong, 0.5% and 50% are entirely different by a factor of 100.

[dinsdale]

39 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

meanwhile Australians are starting to revolt over the lockdown, simply because authorities found only a dozen of cases before ordering the lockdown ????

 

speak of over-reaction LOL

 

and to make things worse, the vaccine rollout is weak with only 14% of the population ????

 

Australians should not expect "back to normal" before 2022, exactly like Thailand

 

sounds like Thailand the rest of SE Asia are in the same boat, and not alone

Only the idiots who have no idea what freedom actually is. Freedom is not a one way street. These idiots are out there shouting about freedom with no masks on are just going to make things worse. Surely if we're talking about freedom then the rest of the population should be free from these morons putting more people's health and lives at risk and an even longer lockdown. As for the dozen or so cases I believe it's up to 150 now. South Australia locked down with 6 cases. Today there is 1 new case and the state is still locked down. Go early and go hard if you want to control this. Don't do anything or indeed encourage the spread and we see the result here.

Edited July 24, 2021 by dinsdale

[2 is 1]

1 hour ago, JensenZ said:

It's more to do with the general health of Filipinos compared to Thais, mainly related to poverty, which is at least 40% of the population of 110 million. Now with lockdowns that have lasted over 16 months already, that number is probably a lot higher. That the number of reported deaths in Philippines is not much higher is surprising. People are not even getting food aid (have family in a Philippine province). If you cannot afford to eat properly, even in good times, there's not much chance of surviving a covid-19 infection, and now with the delta variant spreading the situation there will get 10x worse, very rapidly.

Cant put in same sentence Phil healht care and Thailand! Yes been there done that. Live in both country and Thailand has been way better than Phil if talking healht care to normal citizen! If people dont have money in Phil , you not get any treatment! In 2105 boyfriend of ex wifes sister in law died because family dont have money enough to get dialysis for him! Only need that but dont have money enough. 

[apetley]

3 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

You do know there is a zero to the right of that ".5" don't you...and that .50 cents is 50% of 1.0 dollars?

Laughable

.50 cents is .5% of 1.0 dollar

[anchadian]

Thailand's Vaccine Tracker (July 24, 2021) About 5.49% of the population is fully vaccinated. 12,109,424 (+304,244) people have received the first dose, while 3,632,394 (+48,635) have been fully inoculated. #วัคซีนโควิด19 #COVID19 #ล็อกดาวน์ #KE

https://twitter.com/KhaosodEnglish/status/1418862204183408642

 

 

 

[edwinchester]

6 minutes ago, apetley said:

Laughable

.50 cents is .5% of 1.0 dollar

Spot on mate, he just can't admit he's wrong and keeps digging a deeper hole.....comedy gold.

Edited July 24, 2021 by edwinchester

[jacob29]

36 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Wise up a bit.

Source....

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

You can't be serious? What do these results tell you, when you have no data on how robust their testing regime is? Antibody testing is the only way to get reliable infection numbers. Studies have repeatedly shown actual infection numbers from antibody tests to be significantly higher than reported numbers (sometimes well in excess of 10x).

 

I can go find the CDC papers on this, but I won't bother if you're going to insist on half baked methodologies. Never mind that the numbers you present show a mortality rate 50x higher between certain countries, which should have tipped you off something isn't quite right.

[anchadian]

Just spoken with my brother who resides in Cape Town.  Both he and his wife (British) have been fully inoculated with Pfitzer.

 

 

 

 

[anchadian]

BP reported that more than 1,000 coronavirus infections were detected using rapid antigen test kits at a chicken processing plant in Bung Sam Phan district of Phetchabun. So far they have tested 2,950 out of 7,500 workers. More are being tested today.