Who will never vaccinate except if forced to for visa reasons ? and do you think that they will force us ?

[Golden Triangle]

This is for all you antivaxxers, you don't seem to realise that although you refuse to join society as a whole & use the hackneyed phrase ' we don't know how this will affect us in years to come ', yet you want to go to bars, use the shops that I or my mrs use, go get a massage, go to the gym or cinema or a 100 other things that people like to do.

 

Well I don't want you spreading the foul disease anywhere near me thanks and prefer you stay in the confines of your room, condo or house, shop online and drink alone at home, because you are all social lepers.

 

And I really am a believer that immigration should ensure your compliance by refusing to extend your stay in the kingdom if you refuse to conform to society and get the necessary 2 shots, unless it's a one shot vaccine of course.

[Phoenix Rising]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

Howard Stern, JHC. Troll on.

 

29 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

How low can you get quoting stern, pleaseeee. You guys are losing what little creditability you have. Troll on.

Why are you replying twice to the same post? If you're feeling confused and disoriented maybe it's time to consult a health care professional and maybe get a Covid vaccine at the same time. Good luck!

[Phoenix Rising]

9 minutes ago, Golden Triangle said:

This is for all you antivaxxers, you don't seem to realise that although you refuse to join society as a whole & use the hackneyed phrase ' we don't know how this will affect us in years to come ', yet you want to go to bars, use the shops that I or my mrs use, go get a massage, go to the gym or cinema or a 100 other things that people like to do.

 

Well I don't want you spreading the foul disease anywhere near me thanks and prefer you stay in the confines of your room, condo or house, shop online and drink alone at home, because you are all social lepers.

 

And I really am a believer that immigration should ensure your compliance by refusing to extend your stay in the kingdom if you refuse to conform to society and get the necessary 2 shots, unless it's a one shot vaccine of course.

I agree with everything in your post and would only change one thing. Instead of saying "....because you are all social lepers." I would say "....because you choose to be social lepers.

[Jeffr2]

11 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I'm for people having a choice, I'm for people who have had covid not needing the jabs. I'm for people making up their own minds. I'm taking the jabs, certainly doesn't mean I'm going to get on a soapbox and preach for the miracle vaccine. But you continue on, it's time for a stroll on the beach.

The typical reply from an anti vaxxer. It's my choice. Guess what? Legally,it's been decided it's not your choice.

 

We're in the middle of a global pandemic that has already killed millions. Just because you've had covid doesn't mean you can't get it again and spread it around. Buy you already know this.

 

You're already on a soapbox preaching anti vaccine nonsense. Many of your posts and links have been removed.

 

Please, take that stroll. The world will be better off.

[richard_smith237]

21 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Listen to yourself, because I'm hesitant to praise a vaccine that has only been around for months you call me an antivaxxer and then you quote stern to back up your point of view. 

 

Your motto is you're either witt me or agan me partner. 

I have not quoted Stern, that was someone else.

The quality and accuracy of information is not diminished because someone of a lesser accepted intellectual background repeats what reputable experts state. 
 

That was your flaw in suggesting the information was flawed because Stern delivers the message.

[Golden Triangle]

2 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

I agree with everything in your post and would only change one thing. Instead of saying "....because you are all social lepers." I would say "....because you choose to be social lepers.

Sorry, but you are of course right ????????

[richard_smith237]

20 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I'm for people having a choice, I'm for people who have had covid not needing the jabs. I'm for people making up their own minds. I'm taking the jabs, certainly doesn't mean I'm going to get on a soapbox and preach for the miracle vaccine. But you continue on, it's time for a stroll on the beach.

I’m for less spread of covid while creating the best opportunity to continue with our lives in a manner as close to normal as possible. 

 

Those who do not wish to take the covid vaccines are slowing this process down while risking the safety of others. 
 

Edited September 24, 2021 by richard_smith237

[richard_smith237]

double post

Edited September 24, 2021 by richard_smith237

[ozimoron]

5 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

That was your flaw in suggesting the information was flawed because Stern delivers the message.

That's a common theme among politically motivated anti vaxers, climate change deniers, etc. They like to engage in character assassination as opposed to addressing what they said.

Edited September 24, 2021 by ozimoron

[toofarnorth]

Me Me !

[chessman]

33 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I'm for people having a choice, I'm for people who have had covid not needing the jabs. I'm for people making up their own minds. I'm taking the jabs, certainly doesn't mean I'm going to get on a soapbox and preach for the miracle vaccine. But you continue on, it's time for a stroll on the beach.

But being part of society has always meant some restrictions on personal freedom. We enjoy the benefits of that society but we also have responsibilities.

[placeholder]

4 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Oh, there has been posts calling unvacced murderers, some wish death upon them. If you were to have the statistics of the reason behind getting vaccinated, I'll bet you it's to avoid death and serious illness and not for other's sake. If they were honest.

When the facts are against you, go to motive. Motivations are Impossible to prove and irrelevant to the point that these refuseniks. whom you applaud, are endangering others by overloading hospitals because they refuse to be vaccinated. Just more deflection on your art. So far in this thread, whenever that point is raised, refuseniks and their supporters, ignore it.

[Jeffr2]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

That's a common theme among politically motivated anti vaxers, climate change deniers, etc. They like to engage in character assassination as opposed to addressing what they said.

An approach started by the far right several years ago. Deflect, attack, misinformation.

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, chessman said:

Would you prefer quotes from the leading doctors, epidemiologists and researchers from just about every university and health service in the world?

 

because you couldn’t have missed those but you still seem unconvinced.

Well, he already explicitly rejected the advice of actual experts, saying that just because they wear white lab coats, that doesn't mean they should be trusted.  Obviously a serious case of double think. 

[placeholder]

3 hours ago, lucky2008 said:

If someone asks a question and they veer off your Fauci narrative you automatically think they're trolling.

You don't have all the answers Jeffrey, I'm sorry. 

Just let people live jezzz...

But apparently the answers you come up with are utterly irrelevant to facts. Instead of explicitly addressing points raised against you, you just make ridiculous general comments like "you don't have all the answers".  You're right, he doesn't have all the ansers, but the ones he does have are relevant to the facts. And as for "Just let people live, jezz.." is just another cheap shot by making it personal. You've got nothing.

[Golden Triangle]

Slightly off topic but not completely, most of my siblings and I were born in the 50's, my brother 3 years younger than me contracted Polio, fortunately he had already received the vaccine, he still ended up in an iron lung though, he recovered with no side effects which in those days I believe were leg calipers, horrible things.  

 

He went on to serve his country in the British Army as did I & my twin brother.

 

And the British Army don't just take anyone, they have standards.

Edited September 24, 2021 by Golden Triangle
To add clarity ????

[Jeffr2]

18 minutes ago, placeholder said:

But apparently the answers you come up with are utterly irrelevant to facts. Instead of explicitly addressing points raised against you, you just make ridiculous general comments like "you don't have all the answers".  You're right, he doesn't have all the ansers, but the ones he does have are relevant to the facts. And as for "Just let people live, jezz.." is just another cheap shot by making it personal. You've got nothing.

Anyone who bashes Fauci has lost the plot. A person who has dedicated his life to public service. A true national hero.

[ozimoron]

6 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Anyone who bashes Fauci has lost the plot. A person who has dedicated his life to public service. A true national hero.

It also means their motives are 100% political and they have no credibility as a result. They ridicule Fauci but never offer any reasons for doing so. Fauci's crime was to resist Trump, it's that simple.

[Jeffr2]

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

It also means their motives are 100% political and they have no credibility as a result. They ridicule Fauci but never offer any reasons for doing so. Fauci's crime was to resist Trump, it's that simple.

Sadly, Trump made the virus political. And many feel for his lies. And many died who shouldn't have.

[placeholder]

2 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Listen to yourself, because I'm hesitant to praise a vaccine that has only been around for months you call me an antivaxxer and then you quote stern to back up your point of view. 

 

Your motto is you're either witt me or agan me partner. 

But not all hesitant to applaud people who endanger the viability of the health system.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 9/23/2021 at 10:33 PM, Tanomazu said:

I have been educated to postgraduate level at a highly respected UK university. How about you?

 

I had actually way above written 2900%, so yes, you found a typo, you can keep it. If that is what your argument rests on, it's very poor.

 

Lol, in the post above you, I literally wrote 7.5% died. So you're basically saying you have no arguments at all? Okay.

Wasting your time I fear.

The problem with provaxxers is that you can't convince them no matter what you say. 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 9/24/2021 at 10:32 PM, Golden Triangle said:

Well I don't want you spreading the foul disease anywhere near me thanks and prefer you stay in the confines of your room, condo or house, shop online and drink alone at home, because you are all social lepers.

If you are that concerned perhaps it is you that should stay in the confines of your room, condo or house, shop online and drink alone at home, because the vaccine apparently doesn't stop one becoming infected or spreading it.

[Golden Triangle]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If you are that concerned perhaps it is you that should stay in the confines of your room, condo or house, shop online and drink alone at home, because the vaccine apparently doesn't stop one becoming infected or spreading it.

I'm well aware of that, I'll soon have my 2nd jab and won't therefore be at a bigger risk, if I do catch it then hopefully I'll only be unwell but not dead which is preferable ( as far as I'm concerned ) my main point being that there are people who intend to not get vaccinated and still want the benefits of society.

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, Golden Triangle said:

I'm well aware of that, I'll soon have my 2nd jab and won't therefore be at a bigger risk, if I do catch it then hopefully I'll only be unwell but not dead which is preferable ( as far as I'm concerned ) my main point being that there are people who intend to not get vaccinated and still want the benefits of society.

Have you considered that they are as fearful of the potential side effects of the vaccine which have apparently included death, as you are of not being vaccinated? Far as I know, death was not a ( likely ) potential complication of any other vaccine commonly used by humans prior to corona, with apparently some exceptions that were corrected to make safe to use.

IMO it's up to those that want everyone to take it to convince everyone that a/ it's safe, or b/ that they will be taken care of/ compensated in the event of serious complications. So far I'm not aware of anything other than fear being used to convince people to take it against their will.

I'm against anything that smacks of coercion, rather than persuasion.

[ozimoron]

26 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Ibecause the vaccine apparently doesn't stop one becoming infected or spreading it.

Can you substantiate that? I can point to many, many credible articles which suggest that the chances of infection and transmission are significantly reduced. Further, I know that you have had the opportunity to read them and yet you still make no attempt to substantiate what would seem to be false claims.

 

https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/mounting-evidence-suggests-covid-vaccines-do-reduc

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2021-09-24/covid-vaccines-do-they-change-risk-of-infection/100484432

 

 

Edited September 26, 2021 by ozimoron

[pookondee]

On 9/24/2021 at 8:22 PM, EVENKEEL said:

Listen to yourself, because I'm hesitant to praise a vaccine that has only been around for months you call me an antivaxxer and then you quote stern to back up your point of view. 

 

Your motto is you're either witt me or agan me partner. 

Im not buying into the full-scale argument, but ive always wondered:

 

If its accepted that the vaccine loses its potency, and we need annual shots/boosters, 

then how could it have serious long term effects?

Even if just taken once?

 

At any rate, in Thailand, you will probably risk Covid EVERY time you walk out your door.

I only had to risk the vaccine once, and like many millions around the world, was perfectly ok.

[Jeffr2]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Wasting your time I fear.

The problem with provaxxers is that you can't convince them no matter what you say. 

Yeah. Those provaxxers. Constantly following the science rather than the fake news on social media. Shame on them!  LOL

[chessman]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Have you considered that they are as fearful of the potential side effects of the vaccine which have apparently included death, as you are of not being vaccinated? Far as I know, death was not a ( likely ) potential complication of any other vaccine commonly used by humans prior to corona, with apparently some exceptions that were corrected to make safe to use.

IMO it's up to those that want everyone to take it to convince everyone that a/ it's safe, or b/ that they will be taken care of/ compensated in the event of serious complications. So far I'm not aware of anything other than fear being used to convince people to take it against their will.

I'm against anything that smacks of coercion, rather than persuasion.

In March and April 2020 you posted endlessly about how Covid was just ‘flu’ and about the disastrous response of your home country (New Zealand).
 

Now we have 4.7 million dead around the world but very few of those in New Zealand and the party that took those strong measures won re-election in a landslide. And here you are posting anti-vaccine nonsense.

 

Do you never take stock and question your own judgement?

[Phoenix Rising]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Wasting your time I fear.

The problem with provaxxers is that you can't convince them no matter what you say. 

Yes, we're a pretty pig headed bunch us "pro-vaxxers" who follow the advice of scientists. I mean, it's not like there's any evidence at all that vaccines like those against Polio, TBC, Tetanus, Hepatitis etc. have had any effect at all, is it. Silly us!! And there's certainly nothing that shows Covid vaccines being effective against hospitalization or death, is it!?!?!?

 

Honestly, I sometimes REALLY wonder what goes on in the minds of the anti-vaxx bridgade. 

[Phoenix Rising]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If you are that concerned perhaps it is you that should stay in the confines of your room, condo or house, shop online and drink alone at home, because the vaccine apparently doesn't stop one becoming infected or spreading it.

No, but it sure does greatly reduce the risk of hospitalization and death. Do you understand that?