Who will never vaccinate except if forced to for visa reasons ? and do you think that they will force us ?

[richard_smith237]

5 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Oh, there has been posts calling unvacced murderers, some wish death upon them. If you were to have the statistics of the reason behind getting vaccinated, I'll bet you it's to avoid death and serious illness and not for other's sake. If they were honest.

I can’t disagree with that.

 

I certainly feel more comfortable with the risks now that I am vaccinated - thus from a personal level I’m more comfortable travelling around. 

 

 

That said, I understand the key reasons for vaccination is to protect society on a whole... hence mass vaccination is also important. 

 

 

 

 

 

[lucky2008]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

And your comments explains why there are so many anti covid vaxxers out there. Apparently, they live in opposite-world.

Apparently so. 

You're just going to have to get on with your life.  This thing is never going away. 

We are all going to catch Covid-19 sooner or later.   Some will die and some won't. 

If you already been vaccinated why do you even care? 
 

[richard_smith237]

 

3 minutes ago, lucky2008 said:

19 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Nope... think again... 

 

Hatred is a strong term.... I would go with a lack of tolerance for stupidity and selfishness - be it someone who exercises personal choice and drives while drunk, or someone who believes their choice not to vaccinate has no consequences for anyone else.... 

 

Are you comparing and unvaccinated person to a drunk driver? 

 

 

Playing dumb, or really dumb ? - comparing personal choice and how it can impact society. 

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, lucky2008 said:

 

How is an unvaccinated person a threat I still don't get it? 

 

Its been explained on numerous different threads numerous times - if you don’t understand it now you can’t be helped and are a waste of time engaging. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Someone Else]

 

3 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

 

Not sure why some have such a hatred of people exercising personal choice.

 

Before I was exposed to forums like this, I was actually somewhat sympathetic to the "personal choice" perspective.  I wasn't pleased to hear about the coercive ploys used in my home country (lotteries, weed giveaways, door to door campaigning) to get people to vaccinate, and I didn't like some aspects of the mandates.

 

However, after being exposed to how aggressively these antisocial elements actively spread misinformation and have declared war on science, mathematics, education, their communities and the just the plain old truth; my sympathy has completely evaporated because of the endless bad-faith (and in some places illegal) tactics.  

 

So you shouldn't be surprised the altogether hostile and antisocial approach your cult has employed has generated a response by those who are sane and well educated.

 

[richard_smith237]

2 minutes ago, lucky2008 said:

Apparently so. 

You're just going to have to get on with your life.  This thing is never going away. 

We are all going to catch Covid-19 sooner or later.   Some will die and some won't. 

If you already been vaccinated why do you even care? 
 

 

Are you being deliberately dumb or do you really not understand ?

 

[lucky2008]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Are you being deliberately dumb or do you really not understand ?

 

I really don't understand.

Why is an unvaccinated person is a threat to someone that has already been vaccinated. 

Second, why do you even give a sh#t? 

[richard_smith237]

4 minutes ago, lucky2008 said:

17 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Are you being deliberately dumb or do you really not understand ?

 

I really don't understand.

Why is an unvaccinated person is a threat to someone that has already been vaccinated. 

Second, why do you even give a sh#t? 

 

I think you may have found your first side effect of taking the vaccine.... Its an intolerance of unintelligent anti-vaxxers !!! 

 

 

The vaccines are imperfect and do not provide 100% protection..... Now, I could explain it further for you, but I still can’t understand it for you....

 

 

 

 

 

 

[cdemundo]

45 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Oh, there has been posts calling unvacced murderers, some wish death upon them. If you were to have the statistics of the reason behind getting vaccinated, I'll bet you it's to avoid death and serious illness and not for other's sake. If they were honest.

Well, yeah, that's why I got vaccinated, to avoid death and serious illness.

 

[Jeffr2]

4 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

 

Not sure why some have such a hatred of people exercising personal choice.

Because you're putting other people's lives at risk. Stop reading the right wing media outlets. They're putputting all our lives at risk.

 

FYI. The Supreme Court has already ruled jabs can be mandatory if in support of saving lives.

[lucky2008]

Just now, richard_smith237 said:

 

I think you may have found your first side effect of taking the vaccine.... Its an intolerance of unintelligent anti-vaxxers !!! 

 

 

The vaccines are imperfect and do not provide 100% protection..... Now, I could explain it further for you, but I still can’t understand it for you....

 

Enough with the insults Richard. 

Please do explain further and tell me something my <deleted> doesn't know. 

You might actually make a difference to someone who's undecided.  

Give it a go! 

[cdemundo]

25 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Are you being deliberately dumb or do you really not understand ?

 

Or? could be both.

 

[Jeffr2]

13 minutes ago, lucky2008 said:

I really don't understand.

Why is an unvaccinated person is a threat to someone that has already been vaccinated. 

Second, why do you even give a sh#t? 

Stop trolling. You already know the answer to this.

[EVENKEEL]

3 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Because you're putting other people's lives at risk. Stop reading the right wing media outlets. They're putputting all our lives at risk.

 

FYI. The Supreme Court has already ruled jabs can be mandatory if in support of saving lives.

Mandatory like the men in haz mat year will strap you down and jab you. Is that what you stating?

[lucky2008]

14 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Stop trolling. You already know the answer to this.

If someone asks a question and they veer off your Fauci narrative you automatically think they're trolling.

You don't have all the answers Jeffrey, I'm sorry. 

Just let people live jezzz...

Edited September 24, 2021 by lucky2008

[TomnearCentral]

4 minutes ago, lucky2008 said:

If someone asks a question and they veer off your Fauci narrative you automatically think they're trolling.

You don't have all the answers Jeffrey, I'm sorry. 

Just let people people live jezzz...

Your last sentence is exactly the reason why getting vaccinated is a good idea!!

[Jeffr2]

6 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Mandatory like the men in haz mat year will strap you down and jab you. Is that what you stating?

 

Sadly, for many anti vaxxer nuts, it may take just that. We're all in this together. Unfortunately.

 

1 minute ago, lucky2008 said:

If someone asks a question and they veer off your Fauci narrative you automatically think they're trolling.

You don't have all the answers Jeffrey, I'm sorry. 

Just let people people live jezzz...

You've hahad this answered many times. To bring it up again is just trolling.

 

Or like another member mentioned above:

 

Quote

Are you being deliberately dumb or do you really not understand ?

 

[robblok]

38 minutes ago, Someone Else said:

 

 

Before I was exposed to forums like this, I was actually somewhat sympathetic to the "personal choice" perspective.  I wasn't pleased to hear about the coercive ploys used in my home country (lotteries, weed giveaways, door to door campaigning) to get people to vaccinate, and I didn't like some aspects of the mandates.

 

However, after being exposed to how aggressively these antisocial elements actively spread misinformation and have declared war on science, mathematics, education, their communities and the just the plain old truth; my sympathy has completely evaporated because of the endless bad-faith (and in some places illegal) tactics.  

 

So you shouldn't be surprised the altogether hostile and antisocial approach your cult has employed has generated a response by those who are sane and well educated.

 

Indeed that is why I have become less tolerant of these people too. The fact that they are actively spreading misinformation. Don't recognize science and so on. 

 

They are like a sect no facts no science nothing will change their mind. Totally brainwashed by their own information.  Jim Jones would be jealous. He only had a few followers commit suicide the antivaxers do it whole scale.

[lucky2008]

1 minute ago, Jeffr2 said:

You've hahad this answered many times. To bring it up again is just trolling.

 

No, this has never been answered. 
 

But if you really want to discuss this feel free to PM me. 

[Phoenix Rising]

5 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

joe's handing out covid bucks like candy, jobs will be obsolete soon.

As usual you trumpets are....ahem, since my mom raised a polite boy let's just call it "economical with the truth":

 

U.S. leading indicator points to further economic recovery in July

United States Economic Forecast 3rd Quarter 2021

[Phoenix Rising]

5 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

 

Not sure why some have such a hatred of people exercising personal choice.

As long as your personal choice affects my life I'll reserve the right to dislike anti-vaxxers and support mandatory vaccination.

Howard Stern put it bluntly and accurately:

 

"When are we gonna stop putting up with the idiots in this country and just say it's mandatory to get vaccinated? F--- 'em, f--- their freedom. I want my freedom to live," he said.

Howard Stern to anti-vaxxers: 'You had the cure and you wouldn't take it'

 

What he said.

Edited September 24, 2021 by Phoenix Rising

[EVENKEEL]

10 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

As long as your personal choice affects my life I'll reserve the right to dislike anti-vaxxers and support mandatory vaccination.

Howard Stern put it bluntly and accurately:

 

"When are we gonna stop putting up with the idiots in this country and just say it's mandatory to get vaccinated? F--- 'em, f--- their freedom. I want my freedom to live," he said.

Howard Stern to anti-vaxxers: 'You had the cure and you wouldn't take it'

 

What he said.

Howard Stern, JHC. Troll on.

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, lucky2008 said:

Enough with the insults Richard. 

Please do explain further and tell me something my <deleted> doesn't know. 

You might actually make a difference to someone who's undecided.  

Give it a go! 

 

Even the best vaccines are imperfect, but they keep a greater proportion of people out of hospitals which means those seeking other treatment can receive health care. 

 

The best vaccines are imperfect, which means some of those who have taken a vaccine can still contract Covid-19, but in most cases they avoid hospital - Still some become unwell enough to require hospital treatment (but fewer than the numbers of those who are unvaccinated). 

 

Depending of the efficacy of the vaccine, those who are vaccinated have a far less chance of contracting covid-19, and thus less chance of spreading the SARS-CoV-2 virus. 

 

Depending of the efficacy of the vaccine, when those who are vaccinated contract covid-19 they do so with fewer symptoms and have those fewer symptoms for a shorter period than someone who is unvaccinated and thus contribute less to the spread of Covid-19.

 

 

Some people cannot be vaccinated, thus IF everyone in a society is vaccinated there is less chance of continued transmission of the SARS-CoV-2 virus such that those in high risk groups or who are un-vaccinated (for medical reasons) have less chance to contract Covid-19 (that chance/ possibility is not removed its just reduced). 

 

 

If people do not wish to vaccinate - that is their choice, but in doing so they are also exercising the choice to not be part of a community in which they live. Why should that community accept them ?

 

------

 

Anti-vaxxers say vaccinated people can still transmit the virus - yes they can, but, in aggregate, to a far lesser degree than those who are not vaccinated. 

Anti-vaxxers say if you are protected with a vaccine, what are you worried about ? - the vaccine is still imperfect, its still possible for some to get unwell, we don’t know who that would be (it could be me or my family). 

Anti-vaxxers use Israel as an example that the vaccine is not working - the don’t understand that in a country with most of its population vaccinated, a lot of vaccinated will still be in hospital... i.e. if 100% of the population is vaccinated and 1% of those contract covid and go to hospital, 100% of those in hospital have been vaccinated - anti-vaxxers would use that stat !

 

 

If someone wishes not to vaccinated against covid or other transmissible diseases - fine, do so in isolation from others.

 

 

 

Edited September 24, 2021 by richard_smith237

[Jeffr2]

24 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Howard Stern, JHC. Troll on.

Perhaps hearing it from someone on your side would help. But I doubt it.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/republican-senate-leader-mitch-mcconnell-makes-big-covid-vaccine-push-n1278169

[Jeffr2]

1 hour ago, lucky2008 said:

No, this has never been answered. 
 

But if you really want to discuss this feel free to PM me. 

It has been discussed. Ad nauseum. Not worth the time to try and further explain it to you.

[chessman]

57 minutes ago, lucky2008 said:

No, this has never been answered. 

It’s been answered many many times here.

 

but here you go again.

 

The vaccines significantly reduce your chance of catching Covid, getting seriously ill and death but do not eliminate those things.

 

If many people are unvaccinated then there will be greater spread, more cases and thus the risk for all is greater. 
 

 

 

 

 

[EVENKEEL]

52 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

As long as your personal choice affects my life I'll reserve the right to dislike anti-vaxxers and support mandatory vaccination.

Howard Stern put it bluntly and accurately:

 

"When are we gonna stop putting up with the idiots in this country and just say it's mandatory to get vaccinated? F--- 'em, f--- their freedom. I want my freedom to live," he said.

Howard Stern to anti-vaxxers: 'You had the cure and you wouldn't take it'

 

What he said.

How low can you get quoting stern, pleaseeee. You guys are losing what little creditability you have. Troll on.

[richard_smith237]

6 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

How low can you get quoting stern, pleaseeee. You guys are losing what little creditability you have. Troll on.

EVENKEEL - You are in the anti-covid-vaxx camp yet use the credibility of Howard’s Stern to oppose covid vaccines because he supports them ???  
 

It’s not really a strong position. 
 

I would like to see a string anti-covid-vax point, but haven’t yet in any of these thread.

 

The closest is long term safety but is really debunked by the fact that the vaccines are out if our system quickly. 

Edited September 24, 2021 by richard_smith237

[EVENKEEL]

9 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

EVENKEEL - You are in the anti-covid-vaxx camp yet use the credibility of Howard’s Stern to oppose covid vaccines because he supports them ???  
 

It’s not really a strong position. 
 

I would like to see a string anti-covid-vax point, but haven’t yet in any of these thread.

 

The closest is long term safety but is really debunked by the fact that the vaccines are out if our system quickly. 

Listen to yourself, because I'm hesitant to praise a vaccine that has only been around for months you call me an antivaxxer and then you quote stern to back up your point of view. 

 

Your motto is you're either witt me or agan me partner. 

Edited September 24, 2021 by EVENKEEL

[chessman]

14 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

How low can you get quoting stern, pleaseeee. You guys are losing what little creditability you have. Troll on.

Would you prefer quotes from the leading doctors, epidemiologists and researchers from just about every university and health service in the world?

 

because you couldn’t have missed those but you still seem unconvinced.

[EVENKEEL]

1 minute ago, chessman said:

Would you prefer quotes from the leading doctors, epidemiologists and researchers from just about every university and health service in the world?

 

because you couldn’t have missed those but you still seem unconvinced.

I'm for people having a choice, I'm for people who have had covid not needing the jabs. I'm for people making up their own minds. I'm taking the jabs, certainly doesn't mean I'm going to get on a soapbox and preach for the miracle vaccine. But you continue on, it's time for a stroll on the beach.