Who will never vaccinate except if forced to for visa reasons ? and do you think that they will force us ?

[Scott]

Troll post removed.  Continue posting misinformation and exaggerated claims and face a suspension.  

 

[robblok]

19 hours ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Yes, we're a pretty pig headed bunch us "pro-vaxxers" who follow the advice of scientists. I mean, it's not like there's any evidence at all that vaccines like those against Polio, TBC, Tetanus, Hepatitis etc. have had any effect at all, is it. Silly us!! And there's certainly nothing that shows Covid vaccines being effective against hospitalization or death, is it!?!?!?

 

Honestly, I sometimes REALLY wonder what goes on in the minds of the anti-vaxx bridgade. 

I recently read that getting covid can lead to cognitive decline. Given that antivaxxers are more likely to get covid it might be a clue towards the fact that antivaxers have a different thinking process. ????

[248900_1469958220]

Looks like we will be on an endless merry go round of boosters boosters boosters.....Vaccine passport in Israel now only valid for 6 months...Why? The same vaccines are being used and their efficacy wanes within 6 months.....

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-vaccine-pass-to-expire-after-6-months-booster-shots-2021-9

[placnx]

On 9/24/2021 at 5:22 PM, EVENKEEL said:

Listen to yourself, because I'm hesitant to praise a vaccine that has only been around for months you call me an antivaxxer and then you quote stern to back up your point of view. 

 

Your motto is you're either witt me or agan me partner. 

Pfizer has now received full approval after many millions of jabs. There have been many studies and few adverse incidents.

[robblok]

1 minute ago, 248900_1469958220 said:

Looks like we will be on an endless merry go round of boosters boosters boosters.....Vaccine passport in Israel now only valid for 6 months...Why? The same vaccines are being used and their efficacy wanes within 6 months.....

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-vaccine-pass-to-expire-after-6-months-booster-shots-2021-9

I am pro vax but see this happening too. Not fun but its the best we can do. Maybe better vaccines will be made. But a flu shot has to be taken every year too. So its not that uncommon just annoying. Plus they only give a limited protection against infection (more for hospital use) but at least 50%. Too bad that those antivaxxers don't get vaccinated. Every lil bit helps. 

[placnx]

14 minutes ago, robblok said:

I am pro vax but see this happening too. Not fun but its the best we can do. Maybe better vaccines will be made. But a flu shot has to be taken every year too. So its not that uncommon just annoying. Plus they only give a limited protection against infection (more for hospital use) but at least 50%. Too bad that those antivaxxers don't get vaccinated. Every lil bit helps. 

One happy result of Covid and mRNA vaccines is that flu vaccines and others may receive updates with much higher efficacy, so lower death rates.

[Chomper Higgot]

22 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Have you considered that they are as fearful of the potential side effects of the vaccine which have apparently included death, as you are of not being vaccinated? Far as I know, death was not a ( likely ) potential complication of any other vaccine commonly used by humans prior to corona, with apparently some exceptions that were corrected to make safe to use.

IMO it's up to those that want everyone to take it to convince everyone that a/ it's safe, or b/ that they will be taken care of/ compensated in the event of serious complications. So far I'm not aware of anything other than fear being used to convince people to take it against their will.

I'm against anything that smacks of coercion, rather than persuasion.

The evidence is indisputable, the risks from the vaccine are several orders of magnitude less than the risks from the virus.

 

So please don’t give us your one sided risk equation, it’s a misrepresentation of what needs to be considered.

 

All vaccines, like all medicines, carry a risk, that you aren’t aware of those risks from vaccines administered in the years before online anti vaccine misinformation campaigns is not a surprise, it is not evidence that those risks did not exist.

 

As for your wanting assurances of being compensated in the case of serious complications from the vaccine, you are once again engaging in a one sided equation, a misrepresentation of what needs to be considered.

 

Refusing the vaccine carries a significantly increased risk of serious illness and hospitalization (let alone death).

 

When you and others refuse the vaccine you are at higher risk of serious illness and hospitalization, you, and they, expect healthcare services, hospital beds, doctors, nurses, medical equipment and treatments to be available to you.

 

You conveniently (for your argument) omit this side of the equation.

 

This has consequences.

 

Places with low uptake of the vaccines are facing overload of their health services, Idaho and Alaska being two perfect examples, hospitals now operating triage as a direct result of anti-vaxxers overloading the healthcare systems.

 

And of course there remains the much higher risk of death amongst the unvaccinated.

 

Well I hear it said, death is the new stupid.

 

Edited September 27, 2021 by Chomper Higgot

[Jai Dee]

An off-topic troll post as well as replies have been removed.

[robblok]

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/covid-19-may-impair-mens-sexual-performance

 

Seems people who had covid can have six times more chance on erection problems. Suddenly all antivaxers in Thailand will take the vaccine ????

[DavisH]

7 hours ago, robblok said:

I am pro vax but see this happening too. Not fun but its the best we can do. Maybe better vaccines will be made. But a flu shot has to be taken every year too. So its not that uncommon just annoying. Plus they only give a limited protection against infection (more for hospital use) but at least 50%. Too bad that those antivaxxers don't get vaccinated. Every lil bit helps. 

B- and T-cell activity will still be present upon reinfection, so there will still be some underlying protection even if antibodies wane. I really don't see years of booster shots, unless new variants arise that would require new generations of vaccines. None of the current variants seems to be able to outcompete delta, so I don't think this will be a problem just yet.

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/covid-19-may-impair-mens-sexual-performance

 

Seems people who had covid can have six times more chance on erection problems. Suddenly all antivaxers in Thailand will take the vaccine ????

Any chance that even though you don't have covid, the vaccine will help? Fingers crossed.

[Tony125]

CDC director says US hospitals are 'filled with unvaccinated people' and warns that some are running out of ventilators and beds   (9/27/2021 )

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/cdc-director-warns-us-hospitals-120358421.html

Edited September 29, 2021 by onthedarkside
quote of hidden post removed

[Jeffr2]

3 hours ago, DavisH said:

B- and T-cell activity will still be present upon reinfection, so there will still be some underlying protection even if antibodies wane. I really don't see years of booster shots, unless new variants arise that would require new generations of vaccines. None of the current variants seems to be able to outcompete delta, so I don't think this will be a problem just yet.

From what I've read, because most of the world hasn't been vaccinated, there's a very significant chance for variants. Perhaps some really deadly ones.

[Jeffr2]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-09-12/6-month-covid-outlook-2021

[Scott]

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[thvima]

As it seems that on this forum everybody is provax, I hope hat the whole population will follow, then the virus won't be found anywhere anymore !

Thank you to all, I love you ❤️

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

On 9/27/2021 at 10:57 PM, Jeffr2 said:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-09-12/6-month-covid-outlook-2021

 

As Thailand begins moving toward easing COVID restrictions once again, supposedly for the last time, the above cited Bloomberg article is an excellent read on what the pandemic likely will be in the coming months and years:

 

"Almost everyone will be either infected or vaccinated before the pandemic ends, experts agree. Maybe both. An unlucky few will contract the virus more than once. The race between the waves of transmission that lead to  new variants and the battle to get the globe inoculated won’t be over until the coronavirus has touched all of us. 

 

“I see these continued surges occurring throughout the world,” said Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota in Minneapolis, and an adviser to U.S. President Joe Biden. “Then it will drop, potentially somewhat precipitously,” he said. “And then I think we very easily could see another surge in the fall and winter” of this year, he added. 

 

With billions of people around the world yet to be vaccinated and little chance now of eliminating the virus, we can expect more outbreaks in classrooms, on public transport and in workplaces over the coming months, as economies push ahead with reopening."

 

In short, if the above projections are correct, we and the world aren't likely going to be done with this for a long time to come.

 

[richard_smith237]

41 minutes ago, thvima said:

As it seems that on this forum everybody is provax, I hope hat the whole population will follow, then the virus won't be found anywhere anymore !

Thank you to all, I love you ❤️

 

While I am ‘pro-vaccine’ your confidence in the ability of the vaccines to ‘eradicate’ the virus from the planet is exaggerated, the anti-covid-vaxxers will be all over your comment like a rash.... 

 

The efficacy of the best vaccines is currently 95% (pre Delta Variant data), thus the real world effectiveness (which is always less than efficacy) of the best vaccines post Delta variant is such that its likely the virus will remain with ‘us’ and may never disappear, much like influenza - the hope of course is that 100% effective vaccines are created and the virus will disappear from humans. 

 

However, until then, its looking likely that we will ‘have to live with it’ which makes it even more important that as many people get vaccinate as there are ‘more holes’ in the community protection with a vaccine which is not 100% effective. 

 

The more people who take vaccines, the fewer people who IF SARS-CoV-2 is transmitted through that community will contract Covid-19 which means fewer people to carry stronger symptoms for a longer period of time, which equals less spread of Covid-19 within that community - less potential spread to those who remain in high risk groups, less potential spread to those unable to take the vaccine for medical grounds, less potential spread to those for whom the vaccine is ineffective. 

 

So... While the vaccine is imperfect, it remains important that everyone takes it to improve the potential to ‘limit’ the potential impact of any transmission. 

 

- There... I had to get that out there before Anti-Vaxxers come out with stupid memes and comments..... 

 

Dumb comments which Anti-vaxxers think are smart: 

- “Its not the responsibility of the unvaccinated to protect the vaccinated, thats the vaccines job” 

- “You have to use an umbrella too or mine won’t work” (anti-maskers)

- “No one makes money off natural immunity” (completely ignoring the deaths !)

- “the vaccines ineffectiveness is being blamed on those who won’t take it” (ignoring potential for herd immunity) 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 28, 2021 by richard_smith237

[cdemundo]

I have recently been morbidly fascinated by a website that re-posts the posts of individuals who caught COVID and their family members.

What I had never been aware of before was the severity of the interventions needed.

I never heard of an ECMO machine, I don't want to experience that one first hand.

Also, induced comas, sedation to prevent breathing efforts interfering with assisted breathing.

Proning, and calibrating of the intubation levels of oxygen.

Inability to eat or speak for long periods of time.

None of this is propaganda (although the commentary could be called that) this is the victims and their families posting.

Asking for prayers and then asking for gofundme contributions to pay for funerals.

This has been mentioned here before that's where I learned about it.

Since Thailand has not had high levels of COVID this info has not been widespread here.

There is an award named after Herman Cain and you can search for it.

You will see what treatment for COVID is really like. Horrible.

 

[onthedarkside]

One trolling post and another misinformation post by the same member have been removed, along with a reply.

 

[placnx]

On 9/27/2021 at 10:55 PM, Jeffr2 said:

From what I've read, because most of the world hasn't been vaccinated, there's a very significant chance for variants. Perhaps some really deadly ones.

With the pervasiveness of Delta, chances are that a new variant would mutate from Delta. Most of the time it would not overtake Delta, but this event cannot be ruled out. Vaccinating the world with strong vaccines ASAP would be sensible, but US & G7 haven't figured out how to accomplish this. Sad.

[Tony125]

YouTube bans all anti-vaxx content - not just misinformation about COVID-19 shots

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/youtube-takes-sweeping-stand-against-140837954.html

[Jeffr2]

2 hours ago, Tony125 said:

YouTube bans all anti-vaxx content - not just misinformation about COVID-19 shots

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/youtube-takes-sweeping-stand-against-140837954.html

Next will be facebook. Hopefully. Enough with the anti vaxxer nutters.

[cdemundo]

On 9/26/2021 at 9:45 PM, 248900_1469958220 said:

Looks like we will be on an endless merry go round of boosters boosters boosters.....Vaccine passport in Israel now only valid for 6 months...Why? The same vaccines are being used and their efficacy wanes within 6 months.....

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-vaccine-pass-to-expire-after-6-months-booster-shots-2021-9

so far, 1 booster planned/ in process. From that you conclude endless round.

If so same as flu, big deal.

 

[EVENKEEL]

55 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

so far, 1 booster planned/ in process. From that you conclude endless round.

If so same as flu, big deal.

 

How many folks do the flu jab every year. 

[248900_1469958220]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

How many folks do the flu jab every year. 

The flu jab is not mandatory. I have never had one. I am not 65 + , 30 kg overweight, I dont smoke and never have, I have a few beers with a mate once a week....I dont have fried lard sandwiches with bacon and fat balls for breakfast everyday.......Will they force me to get a booster? Will it be up to me? 

[ignis]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

How many folks do the flu jab every year. 

NOT ME...Some of us have severe allergic reaction to Vaccines from childhood, Did have the Flu jab 20 years ago, and still 20 years later have some of the side effects, as with all Vaccines also some medication that have been prescribed over the years,  often wonder how many weeks I have spent in ICU/Hospital because of severe allergic reaction in the past 70 years

 

 

[cdemundo]

2 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

How many folks do the flu jab every year. 

Point being?

[EVENKEEL]

7 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

Point being?

Impossible to equate covid booster and the flu jab. I can go about everyday life without the flu jab but not so with covid.

[cdemundo]

Just now, EVENKEEL said:

Impossible to equate covid booster and the flu jab. I can go about everyday life without the flu jab but not so with covid.

I didn't equate them.

the post I responded to was predicting endless boosters, as if that was something terrible.

I said so what. Frequency like the flu jab.

Nothing to do with how many get flu jab or can they be equated.

As they say on talk radio, I'll take any response off the air.