Who will never vaccinate except if forced to for visa reasons ? and do you think that they will force us ?

[EVENKEEL]

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

What we do know is that Fox News has a bias towards minimizing the harms caused by Covid-19. So, if anything, if they were reporting on this back in August, that makes it more likely to be true.

Everyone has their opinion, now if I referenced Fox I'd be laughed at for fake news.

[Chomper Higgot]

5 hours ago, Airalee said:

And here’s a link that talks about an empty ICU ward.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-hospitals-empty-covid/2021/07/02/cce9d414-d9bc-11eb-bb9e-70fda8c37057_story.html

 

Believe what you will.

So to refute the arguments that the unvaccinated are filling hospitals and ICUs you post an article confirming the effectiveness of vaccination at clearing ICU units at a hospital in DC of COVID overload.

 

DC with its 63% fully vaccinated tally.

 

Sibley Memorial Hospital’s experience with the dramatic positive impact of vaccination on reducing hospitalizations is a text book example of vaccination working.

 

Thank you for posting and blowing a gaping hole in your own arguments.

[Jeffr2]

12 hours ago, Airalee said:

Do your research before posting misinformation.

 

The guy lived in a town of 4,000 people and the local medical center has 10 beds and isn’t even equipped with an ICU.

 

Also, from your linked article…

 

"A lot of the ICU shortage is not [about] the short of beds. It’s the shortage of personnel to man those beds,"

 

 

Perhaps they should stop firing health care workers who refuse to get vaccinated.  

 

 

There are hundreds of reports about people being denied care due to facilities being over loaded.  Hundreds.  Where have you been?

 

If a healthcare worker refuses the jab, they should be fired.  They're putting their patients, co-workers, family and friends at risk.  Shame on them.

[Jeffr2]

11 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

We all know Fox is fake news and shouldn't be referenced.

LOL.  Almost spit out my lunch with that one.  What's happened to you? LOL

[Jeffr2]

8 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Everyone has their opinion, now if I referenced Fox I'd be laughed at for fake news.

As you should be.

[EVENKEEL]

4 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

As you should be.

But if others in your cult reference Fox and it's sanctioned. 

[Jeffr2]

11 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

But if others in your cult reference Fox and it's sanctioned. 

You mean the cult of people who prefer the truth and not lies?  The cult that doesn't fall for conspiracy theories? LOL.

 

Fox News is fairly OK.  Anything from the talking bubble heads isn't.  Even Tucker's lawyer admitted he doesn't tell the truth.  Stunning so many fall for it.

[cdemundo]

11 hours ago, Airalee said:

And here’s a link that talks about an empty ICU ward.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-hospitals-empty-covid/2021/07/02/cce9d414-d9bc-11eb-bb9e-70fda8c37057_story.html

 

Believe what you will.

I believe it varies widely from state to state.

Guess what the determining factor is....

High vax rate states are not experiencing crowded ICUs at this time (or recently),

low vax states are where the problems seem to be worst.

Even this doesn't seem to totally explain the differences but is a big part of it.

 

Edited October 23, 2021 by cdemundo
changed my mind, didn't edit

[Jeffr2]

12 hours ago, Airalee said:

And here’s a link that talks about an empty ICU ward.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-hospitals-empty-covid/2021/07/02/cce9d414-d9bc-11eb-bb9e-70fda8c37057_story.html

 

Believe what you will.

Sadly, you seem to fall for the fake news.  There are literally hundreds of articles out there talking about hospitals overflowing with covid patients.  Don't you remember this happening in Italy?  I sure hope so.

 

https://www.npr.org/2021/10/04/1043145270/kentucky-hospitals-are-have-been-overflowing-with-covid-patients-almost-2-months

[Airalee]

9 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Sadly, you seem to fall for the fake news.  There are literally hundreds of articles out there talking about hospitals overflowing with covid patients.  Don't you remember this happening in Italy?  I sure hope so.

 

https://www.npr.org/2021/10/04/1043145270/kentucky-hospitals-are-have-been-overflowing-with-covid-patients-almost-2-months

You just can’t seem to stop can you?  It’s like a full time job for you here with almost 8000 posts in just over a year.  I can understand that you don’t have time to thoroughly research all the misinformation you post.

 

That being said, there are only 27 ICU beds in the greater Houston area for a population of over 6 million people.   That sounds more like an infrastructure problem rather than an issue about vaccinated vs unvaccinated.  Perhaps the democrats in congress shouldn’t be holding the infrastructure bill hostage.  They are literally killing people.  So sad.

 

https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/icu-beds-in-greater-houston-area/285-55d3100f-5a8e-4aac-abce-8065dbf60e84

 

 

[Jeffr2]

15 minutes ago, Airalee said:

You just can’t seem to stop can you?  It’s like a full time job for you here with almost 8000 posts in just over a year.  I can understand that you don’t have time to thoroughly research all the misinformation you post.

 

That being said, there are only 27 ICU beds in the greater Houston area for a population of over 6 million people.   That sounds more like an infrastructure problem rather than an issue about vaccinated vs unvaccinated.  Perhaps the democrats in congress shouldn’t be holding the infrastructure bill hostage.  They are literally killing people.  So sad.

 

https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/icu-beds-in-greater-houston-area/285-55d3100f-5a8e-4aac-abce-8065dbf60e84

 

 

Yeah, 8,000 posts trying to educate people during a time of rampant misinformation!  Tough job! LOL

 

This article reports a different number, but that's not what matters.  What matters is that in normal times, they made the number of ICU beds work.  Not sure if you've spent much time in ICU wards, but I have.  They want you out ASAP!  So they make them work.

 

Now, due to covid and anti vaxxer nutters, they are short.  Causing problems for people who need them for other reasons.  Accidents, other health reasons, surgeries, etc.  Get it?

 

Blame the democrats?  That's entirely off topic.

 

https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/houston-record-covid-19-hospitalizations-44-icu-beds/285-6a81e5c4-cfda-415d-8d47-5998aba484e3

 

 

 

[teacherofwoe]

This has to be the longest off topic thread in the history of this site.

[Tony125]

25 minutes ago, Airalee said:

You just can’t seem to stop can you?  It’s like a full time job for you here with almost 8000 posts in just over a year.  I can understand that you don’t have time to thoroughly research all the misinformation you post.

 

That being said, there are only 27 ICU beds in the greater Houston area for a population of over 6 million people.   That sounds more like an infrastructure problem rather than an issue about vaccinated vs unvaccinated.  Perhaps the democrats in congress shouldn’t be holding the infrastructure bill hostage.  They are literally killing people.  So sad.

 

https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/icu-beds-in-greater-houston-area/285-55d3100f-5a8e-4aac-abce-8065dbf60e84

 

 

You must be Thai because most of my fellow Americans would understand what they mean when the article says only 27 ICU beds are available in houston so I will explain. Houston may have 3,000 ICU beds in their hospitals but if there are 2,973  paitients with Covid or serious injuries in them they only have 27 ICU beds available!  Is that too hard for you to understand?  Few persons that have been vacinated for Covid vaccines have a serious  enough infection to require ICU mostly those who are elderly with multible underlying conditions.

[Airalee]

10 minutes ago, Tony125 said:

You must be Thai because most of my fellow Americans would understand what they mean when the article says only 27 ICU beds are available in houston so I will explain. Houston may have 3,000 ICU beds in their hospitals but if there are 2,973  paitients with Covid or serious injuries in them they only have 27 ICU beds available!  Is that too hard for you to understand?  Few persons that have been vacinated for Covid vaccines have a serious  enough infection to require ICU mostly those who are elderly with multible underlying conditions.

Ok.  I can concede that point and research shows that you are correct.  But being that the article was from the same time that the person died, there were most likely open beds in Texas.  Why on earth would they be calling neighboring states.

 

Currently, it appears that it isn’t a problem and only 14% of ICU beds at the current time are being occupied by Covid 19 patients.  Lots of available beds and the capacity to build more as the statistics show.

 

 

 

https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/overview-of-tmc-icu-bed-capacity-and-occupancy/
 

[Tony125]

Currently it's not a problem because more vaccine hesitant people are getting vaccinated so that the ICU's are no longer filled up. Vaccinations are up in alll the states that previously had low rate of vax because the people are seeing family/friends around them contracting  Covid and becoming seriously sick or die. The unvaccinatedwere coming down with Serious Covid and filling up the ICU's.

 

U.S. officials keep close watch on the 'delta plus' Covid mutation as it spreads in the U.K.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/u-s-officials-keep-close-watch-on-the-delta-plus-covid-mutation-as-it-spreads-in-the-u-k/ar-AAPQbYW

[placnx]

1 hour ago, Airalee said:

You just can’t seem to stop can you?  It’s like a full time job for you here with almost 8000 posts in just over a year.  I can understand that you don’t have time to thoroughly research all the misinformation you post.

 

That being said, there are only 27 ICU beds in the greater Houston area for a population of over 6 million people.   That sounds more like an infrastructure problem rather than an issue about vaccinated vs unvaccinated.  Perhaps the democrats in congress shouldn’t be holding the infrastructure bill hostage.  They are literally killing people.  So sad.

 

https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/icu-beds-in-greater-houston-area/285-55d3100f-5a8e-4aac-abce-8065dbf60e84

 

 

My objection to this infrastructure argument has been covered already by others, so I edited out comments on this post.

Edited October 23, 2021 by placnx

[GroveHillWanderer]

1 hour ago, Airalee said:

That being said, there are only 27 ICU beds in the greater Houston area for a population of over 6 million people.   That sounds more like an infrastructure problem rather than an issue about vaccinated vs unvaccinated.  Perhaps the democrats in congress shouldn’t be holding the infrastructure bill hostage.  They are literally killing people.  So sad

You do realise that healthcare is privatised in the US, don't you?

 

The only health-related funding in the infrastructure plan is for primary care, maternal, behavioral and racial health equity, and pandemic preparedness initiatives.

 

So whether they pass it or not, it will make no difference to ICU facilities.

[Airalee]

1 hour ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

You do realise that healthcare is privatised in the US, don't you?

 

The only health-related funding in the infrastructure plan is for primary care, maternal, behavioral and racial health equity, and pandemic preparedness initiatives.

 

So whether they pass it or not, it will make no difference to ICU facilities.

Healthcare isn’t completely privatized from what I can see.  It appears that 1172 out of 6090 are either state or federal government hospitals.  Maybe there should be more.  It’s sad that the US doesn’t allocate more money towards healthcare.

 

https://www.aha.org/statistics/fast-facts-us-hospitals

 

The government sure does seem to do a good job of minting pharmaceutical company billionaires via Covid vaccine profits however.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/21/business/covid-vaccine-billionaires/index.html

[Jeffr2]

2 hours ago, Airalee said:

Ok.  I can concede that point and research shows that you are correct.  But being that the article was from the same time that the person died, there were most likely open beds in Texas.  Why on earth would they be calling neighboring states.

 

Currently, it appears that it isn’t a problem and only 14% of ICU beds at the current time are being occupied by Covid 19 patients.  Lots of available beds and the capacity to build more as the statistics show.

 

 

 

https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/overview-of-tmc-icu-bed-capacity-and-occupancy/
 

At least you admit you were wrong. Congrats.

 

You seem to be stuck on this. Give it up. Please. Covid is causing a crisis in our hospitals. Has been for years. Where have you been?

[CharlieH]

Reported off topic post removed.

[Jeffr2]

https://www.fox26houston.com/news/90000-us-covid-19-deaths-since-june-were-preventable-kaiser-family-foundation-says

 

90,000 US COVID-19 deaths since June were preventable, Kaiser Family Foundation says

[Jeffr2]

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/press-release/preventable-costs-of-unvaccinated-covid-19-patients-rise-sharply-in-august-as-hospitalizations-surge/

 

A surge in COVID-19 hospitalizations among people who have not been vaccinated in August is adding billions of dollars in preventable costs to the nation’s health-care system, an updated KFF analysis finds.

 

In August, the new analysis estimates that the preventable costs of treating unvaccinated patients in  hospitals total $3.7 billion, almost twice the estimates for June and July combined. The total preventable costs for those three months now stand at an estimated $5.7 billion.

[Jeffr2]

If you don't want to vaccine, at least be ready to pay your medical bills. It's only fair.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 hours ago, Airalee said:

You just can’t seem to stop can you?  It’s like a full time job for you here with almost 8000 posts in just over a year.  I can understand that you don’t have time to thoroughly research all the misinformation you post.

 

That being said, there are only 27 ICU beds in the greater Houston area for a population of over 6 million people.   That sounds more like an infrastructure problem rather than an issue about vaccinated vs unvaccinated.  Perhaps the democrats in congress shouldn’t be holding the infrastructure bill hostage.  They are literally killing people.  So sad.

 

https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/icu-beds-in-greater-houston-area/285-55d3100f-5a8e-4aac-abce-8065dbf60e84

 

 

Well done, you’ve done it again.

 

Posted a link to an article that blows your arguments out of the water.

 

The question now remains do you read the articles you post before hitting ‘return’?

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, Airalee said:

Healthcare isn’t completely privatized from what I can see.  It appears that 1172 out of 6090 are either state or federal government hospitals.  Maybe there should be more.  It’s sad that the US doesn’t allocate more money towards healthcare.

 

https://www.aha.org/statistics/fast-facts-us-hospitals

 

The government sure does seem to do a good job of minting pharmaceutical company billionaires via Covid vaccine profits however.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/21/business/covid-vaccine-billionaires/index.html

The fact that somebody makes a profit out of a vaccine is not an argument against being vaccinated.

 

 

[Airalee]

24 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The fact that somebody makes a profit out of a vaccine is not an argument against being vaccinated.

 

 

Where did I say it was?  
 

Thank you come again.

[Tony125]

On 10/22/2021 at 10:06 AM, tifino said:

never having described oursleves as antivax

- we are quite happy to sit it out and await Novavax  

 

 

The U.S. government invested $1.6 billion in Novavax in 2020 — the most it devoted to any vaccine maker at the time — in hopes that it would offer the world another option for a safe and effective vaccine to help protect against Covid-19. But the company has consistently run into production problems. 

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/they-rushed-the-process-vaccine-makers-woes-hamper-global-inoculation-campaign/ar-AAPIHp2?li=BBnb7Kz

[Scott]

Troll posts removed.  

 

Government hospitals are a minor part of the US healthcare services and are almost exclusively for select groups of people.  Most are military hospitals serving either active military personnel or veterans.  Native American Reservations sometimes have a Public Health Service Hospital, but these are available only to enrolled members of a tribe. 

State Hospitals are also generally not full service hospitals for the public at large.  They are specific in nature, such as psychiatric facilities. 

[placeholder]

16 hours ago, Airalee said:

You just can’t seem to stop can you?  It’s like a full time job for you here with almost 8000 posts in just over a year.  I can understand that you don’t have time to thoroughly research all the misinformation you post.

 

That being said, there are only 27 ICU beds in the greater Houston area for a population of over 6 million people.   That sounds more like an infrastructure problem rather than an issue about vaccinated vs unvaccinated.  Perhaps the democrats in congress shouldn’t be holding the infrastructure bill hostage.  They are literally killing people.  So sad.

 

https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/icu-beds-in-greater-houston-area/285-55d3100f-5a8e-4aac-abce-8065dbf60e84

 

 

As soon as I saw that factoid about 27 ICU beds in the Greater Houston Area, my first thought was a very skeptical "really"? A huge metropolitan area like Houston, the center of the oil and gas industry,  only has 27 ICU beds?  But when I looked closer at that figure I was shocked to find....nah just kidding. Of course, that number is ludicrously wrong. It doesn't mean what you want it to mean. Let's take a look at the first 3 sentences of that article you linked to:

 

"There are only 27 ICU beds available for 6.6 million people in the Greater Houston Area, according to the Texas Health Department, and only 329 in the entire state. That’s an all-time low and it couldn't come at a worse time with COVID cases running rampant.

The DSHS tracks ICU beds and other important COVID data for Trauma Service Areas or TSAs across the state."

https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/icu-beds-in-greater-houston-area/285-55d3100f-5a8e-4aac-abce-8065dbf60e84

 

 

This is about how many beds are left. Not the total number of ICU beds. And I know that because I did a search. The Texas Medical Center alone has over 2000 ICU beds.

https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/overview-of-tmc-icu-bed-capacity-and-occupancy/

 

 

Edited October 24, 2021 by placeholder

[thaibeachlovers]

On 10/22/2021 at 11:51 PM, placnx said:

Big hospitals have several ICUs for various conditions, plus pediatric. You are talking about triage. That could be happening in certain US states with low vaccination rates.

Your country may have hospitals with several ICUs, but not all. Where I am it's just the one.

Irrelevant if not enough staff to man them. Apparently there was a shortage of 6 million nurses worldwide pre corona, and thousands are leaving the trade because of overwork and stress, plus many are getting to retiring age , but not enough being trained to replace them. Countries that relied on overseas nurses are also short.

Triage may become the norm, unless something is done to address the situation.