Who will never vaccinate except if forced to for visa reasons ? and do you think that they will force us ?

[cdemundo]

11 minutes ago, thvima said:

 

I second him ! their problem, not mine, and I hope it doesn't make you feel too bitter to know that just as I didn't vaccinate in EU I will not vaccinate here, even if I had to pay a lot for my freedom (without any doubt, there is nothing that can be bought, and especially here !)

 

 

The hold out anti-vaxxers are not significant in Thailand.

A small minority in a minority.

They won't really affect the spread of COVID since most people will eventually be vaccinated.

Same phenomenon that evangelical religious use to reinforce the beliefs of their missionaries. 

If you are challenged or "persecuted" it just confirms that you are right and you must stand up for your beliefs. Self-righteous and delusional.

Good luck if you are infected.

[jak2002003]

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

So, you are okay with infecting other people …..

Well, he will not be infecting people like you and most sensible double vaccinated people, so no need to worry.

 

He will only be a danger to his other fellow unvaccinated people....and they are all happy to take that chance.

 

I don't agree with his choice, but it's his choice.  People have to be responsible for themselves.

 

If you think getting vaccinated and wearing a mask will keep you safe then do do it...no one is stopping you. 

 

On the other hand, if he and others refuse to get vaccinated that is their choice, BUT they should be forced to pay for any medical treatment they need in a private hospital if they get sick with covid.  And if they can't pay they get no treatment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[cdemundo]

4 minutes ago, thvima said:

yes no problem, especially those who want to push vaccination, they deserve the worst for them and their family !

 

 

Haha, I have to admit I feel similarly with respect to the arrogant anti-vaxxers.

That is why I can't stop looking at the H. Cain Awards.

There you see anti-vaxxers posting all the same <deleted> as you see here.

Then comes the payoff as they or their families post about how they are suffering (really suffering) from COVID.

And then.... drumroll please... they die, and their family tells everyone how great they were and starts a gofundme for hospital and funeral expenses.

[Danderman123]

4 hours ago, redwood1 said:

If this matter had been so settled then I think this thread would have ended on page #1......

 

So please do explain why its still being discussed 50 pages later...

 

14 minutes ago, thvima said:

yes no problem, especially those who want to push vaccination, they deserve the worst for them and their family !

 

 

Because of people like this guy….

[Danderman123]

11 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

Well, he will not be infecting people like you and most sensible double vaccinated people, so no need to worry.

 

He will only be a danger to his other fellow unvaccinated people....and they are all happy to take that chance.

 

I don't agree with his choice, but it's his choice.  People have to be responsible for themselves.

 

If you think getting vaccinated and wearing a mask will keep you safe then do do it...no one is stopping you. 

 

On the other hand, if he and others refuse to get vaccinated that is their choice, BUT they should be forced to pay for any medical treatment they need in a private hospital if they get sick with covid.  And if they can't pay they get no treatment.

 

It sounds like you are unaware that even vaccinated people can be infected by unvaccinated idiots. And those people have their choice taken away.

[redwood1]

3 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

Well, he will not be infecting people like you and most sensible double vaccinated people, so no need to worry.

 

He will only be a danger to his other fellow unvaccinated people....and they are all happy to take that chance.

 

I don't agree with his choice, but it's his choice.  People have to be responsible for themselves.

 

If you think getting vaccinated and wearing a mask will keep you safe then do do it...no one is stopping you. 

 

On the other hand, if he and others refuse to get vaccinated that is their choice, BUT they should be forced to pay for any medical treatment they need in a private hospital if they get sick with covid.  And if they can't pay they get no treatment.

 

 

Anti vaxers would be quite happy to be given the option of no medical treatment for covid if unvxed....They would be thrilled.....The vax lobby could never stop here but must keep tightening the screws.....

[cdemundo]

2 minutes ago, thvima said:

 

Let's make the smokers pay and the obese pay also, because it's their own choice to be obese or smokers !

 

ridiculous !

 

by the way, my insurance will pay anything because later it will raise the premium and all of you will pay for it ❤️

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, thvima said:

 

Let's make the smokers pay and the obese pay also, because it's their own choice to be obese or smokers !

 

ridiculous !

 

by the way, my insurance will pay anything because later it will raise the premium and all of you will pay for it ❤️

 

 

False analogy.

Nearly every anti-vaxxer argument is in the list of logical fallacies I learned in high school.

 

Smoking and obesity are difficult public health problems with multiple contributing causes that are

not easily solved. Anti-smoking campaigns have had some success only  after decades of effort.

Blaming the smokers and obese people is no solution.

If you can solve those problems stay by the phone, you can expect a call from the Nobel committee.

 

A better comparison is seatbelt wearing. 

Compulsory seatbelt use has saved lives in the USA.

One simple behavior, not complex.

Introduction of seatbelt laws met the same childish "personal liberty" silliness that anti-vaxxers spout.

"You will be trapped in your car if you wear a seatbelt." never happens.

Really tiresome how the anti-vaxxers constantly recycle the same stupid arguments.

 

[cdemundo]

16 minutes ago, redwood1 said:

Anti vaxers would be quite happy to be given the option of no medical treatment for covid if unvxed....They would be thrilled

You totally have that option.

Why don't you do a scout's honor promise that if you contract COVID you will not seek medical care.

I like the idea of arrogant anti-vaxxers promising that they will forego medical treatment and depend on their awesome immune systems for recovery.

 

I know that if you really do get sick you will run like a little "beach" to the hospital, even still...

Will you affirm and attest that if you contract COVID you won't seek medical care?

 

 

Edited October 20, 2021 by cdemundo
quotes for clarity

[EVENKEEL]

In the US some Co's are recognizing natural immunity to be as effective as vaccination.

[Scott]

18 hours ago, ThaiSanookGuy said:

 

yes and anyway the virus will disappear just as the Spanish flue 100 years ago !

 

I guess that most people here do not even know that it stopped without vaccine...

 

The Spanish Flu never totally disappeared, but it did kill up to 50 million people.  World War I killed a paltry 16 million in comparison.  

[thaibeachlovers]

On 10/20/2021 at 5:48 AM, cdemundo said:

How many activities would you take part in with a 1/100 death rate?

You consider a 1% death rate low?

Compared to what?

Life has a 100% death rate, yet we all participate in it.

[Chomper Higgot]

12 hours ago, redwood1 said:

If this matter had been so settled then I think this thread would have ended on page #1......

 

So please do explain why its still being discussed 50 pages later...

Because l, as you yourself demonstrate, science, facts, best medical advice and continually growing hard evidence are trumped in the minds of a minority by misinformation, conspiracy and allegiance to cult like articles of faith.

 

Thanks for asking.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Life has a 100% death rate, yet we all participate in it.

I don’t know anybody who chose of their own volition to do so.

 

Do you?

[thaibeachlovers]

8 hours ago, cdemundo said:

You totally have that option.

Why don't you do a scout's honor promise that if you contract COVID you will not seek medical care.

I like the idea of arrogant anti-vaxxers promising that they will forego medical treatment and depend on their awesome immune systems for recovery.

 

I know that if you really do get sick you will run like a little "beach" to the hospital, even still...

Will you affirm and attest that if you contract COVID you won't seek medical care?

 

 

IMO that's silly, and we are all entitled to get what we paid for ( taxes ). However I have no problem with those that choose to be unvaccinated being denied ICU/ intubation etc. As I has a signed DNR order I would not be admitted to ICU anyway.

 

If we deny the unvaccinated admission to hospital then those that smoke tobacco, are obese from overeating bad food, participate in risky sports etc should also be denied public hospital admission.

Edited October 21, 2021 by thaibeachlovers

[Chomper Higgot]

8 hours ago, redwood1 said:

Anti vaxers would be quite happy to be given the option of no medical treatment for covid if unvxed....They would be thrilled.....The vax lobby could never stop here but must keep tightening the screws.....

You need to back up that seemingly ludicrous claim. 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO that's silly, and we are all entitled to get what we paid for ( taxes ). However I have no problem with those that choose to be unvaccinated being denied ICU/ intubation etc. As I has a signed DNR order I would not be admitted to ICU anyway.

A DNR order will not keep you out of an ICU.

 

 

[cdemundo]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO that's silly, and we are all entitled to get what we paid for ( taxes ). However I have no problem with those that choose to be unvaccinated being denied ICU/ intubation etc. As I has a signed DNR order I would not be admitted to ICU anyway.

Ok so in your case the answer is no.

You won't say you will voluntarily decline treatment.

 

Edited October 21, 2021 by cdemundo

[Chomper Higgot]

9 hours ago, thvima said:

yes no problem, especially those who want to push vaccination, they deserve the worst for them and their family !

 

 

Is that what passes for balanced, rational and reasonable argument, or is it you trolling again?

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

A DNR order will not keep you out of an ICU.

 

 

On what basis? If one is not to be resucitated why would anyone occupy a bed in which resucitation would be mandatory.

Even if that were true, they still couldn't do more than palliative care, as they would have no legal right to do more.

[thaibeachlovers]

4 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

Ok so in your case the answer is no.

You won't say you will voluntarily decline treatment.

 

I already said that is a silly argument. I'm entitled to palliative care just like anyone dying from complications of obesity.

[thaibeachlovers]

15 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

I guess that some don't understand how many died from the Spanish flu. Nor that variations of it are still with us, killing more every year.

 

https://www.history.com/news/1918-flu-pandemic-never-ended

and yet- they didn't shut down society because Spanish flu was killing people 3 years ago.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

and yet- they didn't shut down society because Spanish flu was killing people 3 years ago.

Actually in many places they did.

 

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/how-cities-flattened-curve-1918-spanish-flu-pandemic-coronavirus

 

 

Stay in school kids, there’s stuff like history to be learned.

[Chad3000]

I've had two AZ vax.

 

I'm done.

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, thvima said:

yes no problem, especially those who want to push vaccination, they deserve the worst for them and their family !

 

 

I don't wish that for those that use rational debate to try and convince the hesitant to vaccinate, but I have no time for those that bully and insult and coerce through threats because they are unable to accept that there are reasons to hesitate.

Once more traditional versions of the vaccine are universally available I'm sure that any that would take the flu jab will also get the traditional version of the covid vaccine.

NB, traditional versions are not yet available everywhere.

[cdemundo]

19 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I already said that is a silly argument. I'm entitled to palliative care just like anyone dying from complications of obesity.

It's not an argument.

Your reading comprehension is poor.

I am not talking about anyone being denied care.

All I am asking is that you state here that you will voluntarily decline medical treatment.

 

Just one more boastful statement for you to make, if the typical anti-vaxxer believes his own BS why can't they make this statement?

Scout's honor promise, not binding on anyone.

 

Just say "I am so confident in all the things I have said about the virus and vaccines that I voluntarily decline treatment should I get COVID."

 

No one can hold you to it, I don't understand why none of you tough guy, not afraid of nuttin', mighty immune system guys can't make this promise.

 

Edited October 21, 2021 by cdemundo

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Actually in many places they did.

 

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/how-cities-flattened-curve-1918-spanish-flu-pandemic-coronavirus

 

 

Stay in school kids, there’s stuff like history to be learned.

Did you miss "THREE YEARS AGO"?

[Jeffr2]

9 hours ago, thvima said:

you know what ? I have a VERY VERY GOOD REASON ! it's called MY CHOICE !!

but it seems hard to understand for propagangists like you...

 

 

That's a terrible and selfish reason. Not to mention foolish and dangerous for those around you. I feel sad for them.

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, cdemundo said:

It's not an argument.

Your reading comprehension is poor.

I am not talking about anyone being denied care.

All I am asking is that you state here that you will voluntarily decline medical treatment.

 

Just one more boastful statement for you to make, if the typical anti-vaxxer believes his own BS why can't they make this statement?

Scout's honor promise, not binding on anyone.

 

Just say "I am so confident in all the things I have said about the virus and vaccines that I voluntarily decline treatment should I get COVID."

 

No one can hold you to it, I don't understand why none of you tough guy, not afraid of nuttin', might immune system guys can't make this promise.

 

You continue to push a silly argument and are resorting to insults, which is against rule 7 as well as being unpleasant. Don't expect a reply if you continue to attack me.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Did you miss "THREE YEARS AGO"?

Did you miss the fact that approaching 5,000,000 people have been killed by COVID?

 

[Jeffr2]

9 hours ago, jak2002003 said:

Well, he will not be infecting people like you and most sensible double vaccinated people, so no need to worry.

 

He will only be a danger to his other fellow unvaccinated people....and they are all happy to take that chance.

 

I don't agree with his choice, but it's his choice.  People have to be responsible for themselves.

 

If you think getting vaccinated and wearing a mask will keep you safe then do do it...no one is stopping you. 

 

On the other hand, if he and others refuse to get vaccinated that is their choice, BUT they should be forced to pay for any medical treatment they need in a private hospital if they get sick with covid.  And if they can't pay they get no treatment.

The vaccinated can still get the virus, spread it around, allow it to mutate, end up in the hospital, and potentially die. Stunning you are not aware of that.

 

9 hours ago, redwood1 said:

Anti vaxers would be quite happy to be given the option of no medical treatment for covid if unvxed....They would be thrilled.....The vax lobby could never stop here but must keep tightening the screws.....

BS. Hospitals are full in the US with unvaccinated nuts. Most now begging for the jab. And taking up valuable resources away from others who desperately need it. The screws should be tightened against those who refuse the jab for silly reasons.