This virus  Delta  is all embracing  immunity,efficiency,antibody  etc,if protection is not sky high and remains high it will as that prof.stated cause" breakthrough infection"The booster shots in an in depth interview earlier he stated children are priority

 

  What was it 300/500% extra viral load over Alpha?,little wonder death rates are going way up in Thailand  and elsewhere,its a frightening situation especially being in Thailand..sky high medical bills,just hope if I get it the oxygen stimulation stage can be cut short and self isolate

2 hours ago, MrJ2U said:

Imagine what it is with Sinovac and Astra Zeneca.

 

We already know that Sinovac has very low effectiveness.  Reports of its effeciency halving every 4 months.

 

Another mistep by the e 3 stooges running this sh** show.

 

AZ stays good, and Sinovac seems good enough. No, it's the Pfizer that seems to fade badly!

No one has ever claimed you won’t get Covid after two shots of any vaccine…it’s less likely and not as severe that’s all!

Most know you will also need booster shots as the virus morphs and changes….probably less often as vaccines get better but certainly in the immediate future
Just an opinion but they still don’t understand this virus so I don’t think Covid isn’t going away tomorrow or anytime soon like some seem to think!

 

1 minute ago, mommysboy said:

AZ stays good, and Sinovac seems good enough. No, it's the Pfizer that seems to fade badly!

Seems they all fade.

 

Boosters will be needed no matter what you choose to be vaccinated with.

3 minutes ago, MrJ2U said:

Seems they all fade.

 

Boosters will be needed no matter what you choose to be vaccinated with.

But you were criticizing Sinovac for requiring booster shots only a few minutes ago.

 

that’s weird 

3 minutes ago, MrJ2U said:

Seems they all fade.

 

Boosters will be needed no matter what you choose to be vaccinated with.

Holey moley.  I better get on down and get a polio and measles booster.  Because my antibody levels are way down after 50+ years.

 

100 years of vaccine history, and in August 2021 Fauci trots out one obscure study right about the time he's pushing booster shots... 

 

3 minutes ago, FridgeMagnet1 said:

But you were criticizing Sinovac for requiring booster shots only a few minutes ago.

 

that’s weird 

Especially Sinovac.

 

It's already very poor effeciency rate on top of its rate dropping 50% every 4 months makes it a poor vaccine candidate.

 

Unfortunately thats what most Thais are forced to deal with.

1 minute ago, impulse said:

Holey moley.  I better get on down and get a polio and measles booster.  Because my antibody levels are way down after 50+ years.

 

100 years of vaccine history, and in August 2021 Fauci trots out one obscure study right about the time he's pushing booster shots... 

 

Its a study.

 

If you're upset with the results you should contact them.

 

You're welcome to ignore science and go with your impulse.

 

 

4 minutes ago, impulse said:

Holey moley.  I better get on down and get a polio and measles booster.  Because my antibody levels are way down after 50+ years.

 

100 years of vaccine history, and in August 2021 Fauci trots out one obscure study right about the time he's pushing booster shots... 

 

Hundred years ago they didn't bother wearing surgical gloves in many surgeries.

 

"polio and measles booster."

 

Some countries where Polio has made a comeback they do recommend a booster for Polio.

 

Better to be on the safe side.

 

 

1 hour ago, MrJ2U said:

Seems they all fade.

 

Boosters will be needed no matter what you choose to be vaccinated with.

No, the AZ only declines slightly.  

8 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

No, the AZ only declines slightly.  

Thats good.

 

Are you mixing it with Sinovac?  The one that fades 50% every 4 months?

 

Lucky your getting vaccinated.  Still waiting for vaccines up here in Issan.

 

Stay safe.

17 minutes ago, MrJ2U said:

Thats good.

 

Are you mixing it with Sinovac?  The one that fades 50% every 4 months?

 

Lucky your getting vaccinated.  Still waiting for vaccines up here in Issan.

 

Stay safe.

Got a source for that figure? 
 

 

27 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

No, the AZ only declines slightly.  

"Protection after two shots of Pfizer decreased from 88% at one month to 74% at five to six months.'

 

"For AstraZeneca, the fall was from 77% to 67% at four to five months."

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58322882

 

 

11 minutes ago, FridgeMagnet1 said:

Got a source for that figure? 
 

 

http://www.pharmafile.com/news/583856/antibodies-sinovac-s-covid-19-vaccine-fade-after-6-months-study-finds

20 minutes ago, MrJ2U said:

"Protection after two shots of Pfizer decreased from 88% at one month to 74% at five to six months.'

 

"For AstraZeneca, the fall was from 77% to 67% at four to five months."

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58322882

 

 

Now 39% Israel against Delta in Israel.  If it was a Chinese vaccine the 'Pfizer fanboys' would be calling it junk.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/23/delta-variant-pfizer-covid-vaccine-39percent-effective-in-israel-prevents-severe-illness.html

34 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

Now 39% Israel against Delta in Israel.  If it was a Chinese vaccine the 'Pfizer fanboys' would be calling it junk.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/23/delta-variant-pfizer-covid-vaccine-39percent-effective-in-israel-prevents-severe-illness.html

That 39% is the average. For people vaccinated in January Pfizer’s efficacy against Delta was down to 17%. The mRNA vaccines are very potent early on, but do loose their efficacy much quicker than the more traditional vaccine types. 

The whole emphsis of being in Thailand is after innoculation protection is afforded    not so  wide open     Infection detections are down because authorities have reduced testing  death rates have tripled in last week  

  Live vaccine is a waste of time,efficiency is lost too quickly,az less so,but now boosters every MONTH  as efficiency goes down too with that one    Johnson and Chinese vaccine are a waste of space

14 hours ago, fredscats said:

Coronavirus latest news: Booster plan 'urgently' needed as vaccine protection for elderly may fall below 50pc by winter

Whichever way you read it,even johnson falls to 61%    Plus the UK are 12 months ahead of other studies especially AZ,and boosters "urgently"  needed,even Sky news now reporting

Alarmist nonsense.

 

’May fall below 50pc’ but of course may not.

 

So what if it does?

 

Get a booster.

 

Where’s the problem?

6 hours ago, Gulfsailor said:

That 39% is the average. For people vaccinated in January Pfizer’s efficacy against Delta was down to 17%. The mRNA vaccines are very potent early on, but do loose their efficacy much quicker than the more traditional vaccine types. 

Link?

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Alarmist nonsense.

 

’May fall below 50pc’ but of course may not.

 

So what if it does?

 

Get a booster.

 

Where’s the problem?

Problem was getting the initial,after months of effort,now its getting the booster after a month or two

1 minute ago, fredscats said:

Problem was getting the initial,after months of effort,now its getting the booster after a month or two

Assuming it’s even necessary other than within your own circular arguments.

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Link?

Not my link  do you and others not read?   You were always mightily wrong years ago on Brexit ,now here you are again..not often right ,but wrong again

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Assuming it’s even necessary other than within your own circular arguments.

Not worth a quote  duh

10 hours ago, FridgeMagnet1 said:

But you were criticizing Sinovac for requiring booster shots only a few minutes ago.

 

that’s weird 

Seems perhaps whatever he was on tonite is “wearing off”!

Just now, Kanada said:

Seems perhaps whatever he was on tonite is “wearing off”!

Another Duh,the only response is Duh

1 minute ago, Kanada said:

Seems perhaps whatever he was on tonite is “wearing off”!

On you?  not my quotes

5 minutes ago, fredscats said:

Problem was getting the initial,after months of effort,now its getting the booster after a month or two

My dear old grandpappy used to say:

Don’t eat that Henry…that’s horses**t

1 minute ago, Kanada said:

My dear old grandpappy used to say:

Don’t eat that Henry…that’s horses**t

Seems you have a fair bit of that,,leads to blindness..".only the blind cannot see"

59 minutes ago, fredscats said:

The whole emphsis of being in Thailand is after innoculation protection is afforded    not so  wide open     Infection detections are down because authorities have reduced testing  death rates have tripled in last week  

  Live vaccine is a waste of time,efficiency is lost too quickly,az less so,but now boosters every MONTH  as efficiency goes down too with that one    Johnson and Chinese vaccine are a waste of space

Boosters “every month” now????

Youre really ramping up…from six months to 2-3 months and now every month!

As someone here said: alarmist b/s 

Just now, Kanada said:

Boosters “every month” now????

Youre really ramping up…from six months to 2-3 months and now every month!

As someone here said: alarmist b/s 

Now ,for less agruments sake stop right there, like mad womans sh.it    Efficiency live/dead decreases effectively,quite fast too,especially live vaccine    YES /NO   Ill state yes   ,so there not 100% covered     "Ramping up what"?  explain yourself   show quotes    

 

Child at play  it was you"someone said"  lol  lol  forget what you printed?  lol