Sinovac Vaccine Helps Thailand Control COVID-19 Pandemic

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4 hours ago, Soikhaonoiken said:

I thought it was proved that Sinovac was only appropriate 13.5% effective against the Delta strain..... Or is the report to please the Chinese, as they were not happy that people don't trust Sinovac... 

And the 13.5% is with 2 jabs with it losing 50% of antibodies every 40 days. Can you imagine what protection 1 jab gives you against Delta. Close to zero  https://www.dawn.com/news/1637065

[Kadilo]

57 minutes ago, Khun Yogi said:

You are right. A recent CHINESE study shows that both Chinese vaccines are only 13.8 % efficient after one shot but this hair brained Govt still uses it. Even after two shots its not much better.

 …….and people accuse China of BS. 

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5 hours ago, Soikhaonoiken said:

I thought it was proved that Sinovac was only appropriate 13.5% effective against the Delta strain..... Or is the report to please the Chinese, as they were not happy that people don't trust Sinovac... 

It's bizarre how selective people are absorbing information. The same study that gave that low percentage for the first inoculation, also noted that after the 2nd inoculation it rose to 59%. I'm sure you and all the people who endorsed your post have a really sound reason for believing the first percentage but ignoring the 2nd. Care to share that with us?

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[rwill]

Yep, yep, yep.  That's why they were not in a rush to give medical workers a third shot who had received 2 Sinovac already.

[rupert the bear]

this vaccine is minimally effective in protecting people from the indian variant.fact.what the govt cannot explain are a no of factors.....why they continued to buy it until last week knowing that,why they didnt join covax ,why the AZ factory didnt and still doesnt produce the vaccines as they boasted.why they continue to lack transparency in the contracting and pricing of the purchase of these vaccines.if they are effective then why are medical staff getting a 3rd shot of az or pfizer,why did the govts leader avoid the shot and get instead the AZ shot.the most unsettling of these facts is the relationship with the authoritarian/nationalists  in beijing.this i can answer.......its patently obvious that this govt and future military govts seek to ally themselves with Xi,we can see each day Xi's increasing hostility to outside countries in the region and worldwide,this is a bad thing for all.the thai military clique and the others who we all know, ,see this as a way of staying in power indefinately.modelling themselves on china and relying more on them as a source of power and money to oppress their own people and hence keeping themselves in power at the expense of the rest of the population.its a repeat of the old fascist clique in WW2 era,pibun songhrams fascist WW2 regime was modelled on japan for the same reasons and copied the japanese fascist model.they were allies.short term gain ,long term grief,a familiar refrain.will it end the same way....a good question,its obvious that any type of democratic govt will turn away from beijing and look westwards,the fascist one we have at the moment no,they will look to the boys from beijing,the thais will live in interesting times,they need brave hearts solidarity and support,take note Biden.

[Dialemco]

Presume Chinese are supplying their vaccine for FREE which for a short term fix better than nothing 

[mberbae]

How many deaths has Chinese Covid caused in Thailand - 12,600 ?

Sinovac should be FREE not Sold to Thailand. Even then, give me

Astrazeneca, Pfizer, Moderna or Johnson.

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4 minutes ago, rupert the bear said:

this vaccine is minimally effective in protecting people from the indian variant.

There have been no large scale real world studies of how effective the sinovac vaccine is against either infection, hospitalization and death. So your assertion that it is minimally effective is a dubious one. In scientific terms phrases like "minimally effective" are meaningless. What is meaningful are percentages. Got any figures from real world studies you'd care to share?

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11 minutes ago, rwill said:

Yep, yep, yep.  That's why they were not in a rush to give medical workers a third shot who had received 2 Sinovac already.

While Sinovac is most likely less effective than most other vaccines, that doesn't mean it is ineffective or even close, If I were a front line health care worker I would demand the most effective vaccines, too. They face the most exposure to covid and run the highest risks. But that doesn't mean that Sinovac's vaccine is ineffective or anything close to that.

[ThaiFelix]

12 minutes ago, placeholder said:

It's bizarre how selective people are absorbing information. The same study that gave that low percentage for the first inoculation, also noted that after the 2nd inoculation it rose to 59%. I'm sure you and all the people who endorsed your post have a really sound reason for believing the first percentage but ignoring the 2nd. Care to share that with us?

Youre wasting your time trying to debate facts and figures with this lot.  You can clearly see in the tone of the posts it is all vindictive rhetoric only and has no resemblance at all to reasonable arguement.  The biggest problem with Sinovac is that it is made in China and the mere mention of that country immediately blinds some to the facts.  Such is the power of the US propaganda machine on the ignorant. 

[FunkyDunky58]

A lovely announcement to please their Chinese masters...

[rupert the bear]

7 minutes ago, placeholder said:

There have been no large scale real world studies of how effective the sinovac vaccine is against either infection, hospitalization and death. So your assertion that it is minimally effective is a dubious one. In scientific terms phrases like "minimally effective" are meaningless. What is meaningful are percentages. Got any figures from real world studies you'd care to share?

ahhh a scientist,and your credentials?brazilian govt did extensive studies on its effectiveness and those stats....google them,in fact google the subject period,its most revealing or perhaps youd like to accept the chinese regimes official stats and line and the brazilian govts response....no more.

[FunkyDunky58]

9 minutes ago, placeholder said:

While Sinovac is most likely less effective than most other vaccines, that doesn't mean it is ineffective or even close, If I were a front line health care worker I would demand the most effective vaccines, too. They face the most exposure to covid and run the highest risks. But that doesn't mean that Sinovac's vaccine is ineffective or anything close to that.

If Sinovac is so good why have more than 1000 healthcare workers who had two shots subsequently contracted the virus? 

 

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1 minute ago, ThaiFelix said:

Youre wasting your time trying to debate facts and figures with this lot.  You can clearly see in the tone of the posts it is all vindictive rhetoric only and has no resemblance at all to reasonable arguement.  The biggest problem with Sinovac is that it is made in China and the mere mention of that country immediately blinds some to the facts.  Such is the power of the US propaganda machine on the ignorant. 

Let's not get too carried away. The Chinese do bear some of the blame for this distrust.  Chinese has yet to release the final report offering all the data on their phase 3 trials of Sinovac. Official reports on phase 1 and phase 2 have yet to be released. And Sinovac does have a history of corruption in regards to other vaccines. And also incompetence. Brazil just suspended the use of Sinovac vaccines because they come from manufacturing facility that hasn't been inspected and approved.

All that said, we do know from past studies, that Sinovac has been very effective against variants previous to the Delta variant. It's extremely unlikely that it's ineffective or anything close to that in regards to the Delta variant. 

Obviously much of the denigration of the Delta variant is due to anti-Chinese animus. I've been called out several times by these haters of most things Chinese as somehow being on China's side. Maybe some day, science will be arbitrated like a spectator sport and we'll be seeing the release of  study results featured on ESPN and competing networks. But not for a while yet. I hope.

[rupert the bear]

24 minutes ago, Dialemco said:

Presume Chinese are supplying their vaccine for FREE which for a short term fix better than nothing 

nothings free from those guys

[Jimbo2014]

The Placebo effect ????

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34 minutes ago, FunkyDunky58 said:

If Sinovac is so good why have more than 1000 healthcare workers who had two shots subsequently contracted the virus? 

 

1000 out of how many? 1000 may seem like a really big number to you, but without context, it's meaningless. You also have to consider how effective the virus was in preventing hospitalizations and deaths. How many of those 1000 developed symptoms serious enough to require hospitalzation? How many died?

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[johnarth]

two things 1 China bs indorsed by the general 2 Australia says mix and match is dangerous surprise surprise

[kiwikeith]

5 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Controlling a pandemic that the Chinese gave them and destroyed their entire economy in the process ? I think the Thai people should donate to a mass seafood festival buffet to think them - when they eventually come back.

 

 

 

 

At the present time there are people in the UK, Ireland and , the USA and many other countries filling up hospital ICU's with Delta.

Many of them fully vaccinated.

NZ is worried now that Delta will slip through MIQ and past border workers and they are considering a booster of Pfizer.

Some of the spreaders were frontline fully vaccinated workers. RNZ news.

 

So why would China let it's people into Thailand and have to control them for Delta when they return?

Nz news said Pfizer was working on it's vaccines.

I have read, so is China and every other vaccine producer.

The problem the world faces is virus mutation, and the fear now is that since Alfa has passed and delta is dominant, that new variants will emerge and the present vaccines won't work.

As covid is a cousin to influenza, and influenza vaccines are updated every year , then if this is the case with corona, then the world might need to start treating it with drugs.

Russia has one in phase 2 trials, it is called MIR 19 and is said to be extremely effective, administered by inhaler where it attacks SARS, in the lungs, the main site of infection from covid.

You can read all about MIR 19 on Dr Google.

[Guderian]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

Dr. Opas Karnkawinpong said the Chinese made vaccine has helped Thailand control the pandemic since the start of the COVID-19 outbreak, when the world was facing a vaccine shortages

Let's get some truth into that particular sentence:

...when Thai politicians, grubbing around in the dirt to look for ways to make money from non-Chinese vaccines, had created a totally unnecessary local vaccine shortage.

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5 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Controlling a pandemic that the Chinese gave them and destroyed their entire economy in the process ? I think the Thai people should donate to a mass seafood festival buffet to think them - when they eventually come back.

 

 

 

 

The Thai ecoonomy is destroyed? Supermarkets are closed? Automobiles aren't being manufactured and exported? Get a grip.

[kiwikeith]

4 minutes ago, Guderian said:

Let's get some truth into that particular sentence:

...when Thai politicians, grubbing around in the dirt to look for ways to make money from non-Chinese vaccines, had created a totally unnecessary local vaccine shortage.

I think it all went wrong when Delta broke out in India, dashing Thailand's hopes of mass producing Astra, they could not get the ingredients as there is now a shortage of supply. 

India is using all it produces and not exporting any.

[Tonypandy]

Sinovac is working in China, just compare figures of cases and deaths between US and China. 

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25 minutes ago, rupert the bear said:

ahhh a scientist,and your credentials?brazilian govt did extensive studies on its effectiveness and those stats....google them,in fact google the subject period,its most revealing or perhaps youd like to accept the chinese regimes official stats and line and the brazilian govts response....no more.

Are you referring to this Brazilian study carried out by the same Institute that reported the 51% figure?

Brazilian town experiment shows mass vaccination can wipe out COVID-19

"A small commuter town surrounded by sugarcane fields in southeastern Brazil, one of the countries hardest hit by COVID-19, has shown that even a vaccine that had low efficacy in some clinical trials can dramatically control the pandemic virus.

As part of an unusual experiment to track the real-world effectiveness of CoronaVac, a COVID-19 vaccine made by a Chinese company, almost all adult residents of Serrana, in the state of São Paulo, received the required two shots between February and April, long before most would otherwise have become eligible for the vaccine. ... Symptomatic cases of COVID-19 have dropped by 80% since the start of mass vaccination, related hospitalizations fell 86%, and deaths plummeted 95%, the research team in charge of the experiment reported during a press conference yesterday."

https://www.science.org/news/2021/06/brazilian-town-experiment-shows-mass-vaccination-can-wipe-out-covid-19

 

And what don't you understand about the fact that the 51% effectiveness found for Sinovac's vaccine had to do with prevention of symptomatic transmission and nothing at all to do with how well it prevented hospitalizations and deaths?

And for that matter, why do you focus on that 51% figure when other large real world studies gave Sinovac's vaccine a much higher effectiveness rating?

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22 minutes ago, kiwikeith said:

At the present time there are people in the UK, Ireland and , the USA and many other countries filling up hospital ICU's with Delta.

Many of them fully vaccinated.

NZ is worried now that Delta will slip through MIQ and past border workers and they are considering a booster of Pfizer.

Some of the spreaders were frontline fully vaccinated workers. RNZ news.

 

So why would China let it's people into Thailand and have to control them for Delta when they return?

Nz news said Pfizer was working on it's vaccines.

I have read, so is China and every other vaccine producer.

The problem the world faces is virus mutation, and the fear now is that since Alfa has passed and delta is dominant, that new variants will emerge and the present vaccines won't work.

As covid is a cousin to influenza, and influenza vaccines are updated every year , then if this is the case with corona, then the world might need to start treating it with drugs.

Russia has one in phase 2 trials, it is called MIR 19 and is said to be extremely effective, administered by inhaler where it attacks SARS, in the lungs, the main site of infection from covid.

You can read all about MIR 19 on Dr Google.

Covid is not a cousin to influenza. It is vastly different.

[RocketDog]

5 hours ago, Soikhaonoiken said:

I thought it was proved that Sinovac was only appropriate 13.5% effective against the Delta strain..... Or is the report to please the Chinese, as they were not happy that people don't trust Sinovac... 

You nailed it exactly. An announcement demanded by the Chinese masters.

[rcuthbert]

You pseudo scientists should work for the circus. LOL!

 

According to the WHO:

"How efficacious is the vaccine?

A large phase 3 trial in Brazil showed that two doses, administered at an interval of 14 days, had an efficacy of 51% against symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection, 100% against severe COVID-19, and 100% against hospitalization starting 14 days after receiving the second dose."

 

https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/the-sinovac-covid-19-vaccine-what-you-need-to-know

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6 minutes ago, RocketDog said:

You nailed it exactly. An announcement demanded by the Chinese masters.

You think falsely claiming that Sinovac is 13.5% effective against the Delta strain is nailing it exactly?

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18 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

What is point of posting this article when all we are allowed to do is agree with its content?

Nonsense. Just don't make things up.

[RocketDog]

1 hour ago, crazykopite said:

Yet More BS can only think that they the administration have rounded up all theses guys to promote this particular vaccine to try and encourage the Thai public to have it if it’s that good why is the rest of the world not using it . They could hand me a brown envelope full of baht I still would refuse it nothing made in China lasts longer than a month !

Wait! Your stuff is lasting a month? I got screwed. ????