KhunLA Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, guzzi850m2 said: In the newspaper we are not allowed to quote, they write that The Finance Ministry stands ready to approve measures to promote the use of electric vehicles (EV), which is expected to significantly bring down the prices of imported EVs, said a source on the National Electric Vehicle Policy Committee. This is supposedly taking place from 1 Jan 2022. Interesting for sure. We're not allowed to quote a newspaper ???? OK They've been promoted EV for years, though not sure what they consider what that means, or what it means in the future. How about removing the excise tax on EVs, that's about 100k off the price or most full size cars, and would be a good start. Or the import tax, as the top seller in China is ฿150k, here, just shy of ฿400k. A great little around the town car for those now using a scooter w/sidecart....IF it was affordable. Edited October 28, 2021 by KhunLA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroveHillWanderer Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, KhunLA said: We're not allowed to quote a newspaper ???? OK Yes, the Bangkok Post. It's part of the forum rules. Quote 26) The Bangkok Post and Phuketwan do not allow quotes from their news articles or other material to appear on ASEANNOW.com. Neither do they allow links to their publications. Posts from members containing quotes from or links to Bangkok Post or Phuketwan publications will be deleted from the forum. Edited October 28, 2021 by GroveHillWanderer 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, seedy said: But it's only a glimmer. Electric vehicle sales - 121,900 this financial year - account for only 1.66% of India's 20 million automobile sales https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-58977080 As of 2020, there were over 0.9 million of new battery electric vehicles (BEV) sold in China. China population - The current population of China is 1,446,660,472 as of Thursday, October 28, 2021 The current population of India is 1,397,902,013 as of Thursday, October 28, 2021 https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/china-population/ EV Fanatics really need to get their craniums removed from their posteriors. Awaiting the expected "sales are predicted, battery tech on the drawing board, expected to be ... and the crown jewels - Tesla predicts" Seems more than one flew over the cuckoos nest https://www.statista.com/statistics/502208/tesla-quarterly-vehicle-deliveries/ Wait times for new Teslas are as long as 10 months — unless you're willing to splurge for expensive add-ons https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-model-3-y-s-x-delivery-wait-times-months-2021-10 Edited October 28, 2021 by placeholder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seedy Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 10 hours ago, placeholder said: https://www.statista.com/statistics/502208/tesla-quarterly-vehicle-deliveries/ Wait times for new Teslas are as long as 10 months — unless you're willing to splurge for expensive add-ons https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-model-3-y-s-x-delivery-wait-times-months-2021-10 I post about India and China - you reply with Tesla sales worldwide. https://www.livemint.com/opinion/columns/tesla-is-unlikely-to-launch-its-vehicles-in-india-anytime-soon-11628094775966.html Tesla is estimated to have sold 137,000 electric vehicles (EVs) in China in 2020 https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202104/1220651.shtml Let me break this down for you ... In 2021, the average salary in India is 31,900 INR (Indian Rupee) per month or 3,82,800 INR per annum. That is 428.49 USD per month, according to the exchange rates in July 2021. https://biz30.timedoctor.com/average-salary-in-india/ The annual average wage of a typical Chinese employee is around 3,51,600 Yuan (USD 54,422). In both countries people are flocking to the cities due to no work or opportunities in the countryside. From their salary they provide food, clothing and shelter for themselves, and send the balance home to their parents to support them and their siblings. Do you really believe that the vast majority of people in these countries can afford any vehicle other than a bicycle ? Let alone an EV ? let alone a Tesla ? Those that tout the Scent of Musk are rich and privileged. So saying that the billions in those countries are a market is laughable - No, it is sad, and a reminder of how divorced from reality most people are in the world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandersnatch Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Let's see how many people I can offend when I post this. BTW I am not from Oz but I think this is bloody funny 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 53 minutes ago, seedy said: I post about India and China - you reply with Tesla sales worldwide. https://www.livemint.com/opinion/columns/tesla-is-unlikely-to-launch-its-vehicles-in-india-anytime-soon-11628094775966.html Tesla is estimated to have sold 137,000 electric vehicles (EVs) in China in 2020 https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202104/1220651.shtml Let me break this down for you ... In 2021, the average salary in India is 31,900 INR (Indian Rupee) per month or 3,82,800 INR per annum. That is 428.49 USD per month, according to the exchange rates in July 2021. https://biz30.timedoctor.com/average-salary-in-india/ The annual average wage of a typical Chinese employee is around 3,51,600 Yuan (USD 54,422). In both countries people are flocking to the cities due to no work or opportunities in the countryside. From their salary they provide food, clothing and shelter for themselves, and send the balance home to their parents to support them and their siblings. Do you really believe that the vast majority of people in these countries can afford any vehicle other than a bicycle ? Let alone an EV ? let alone a Tesla ? Those that tout the Scent of Musk are rich and privileged. So saying that the billions in those countries are a market is laughable - No, it is sad, and a reminder of how divorced from reality most people are in the world You don't seem to understand that in countries with huge populations like India and China, even if only 10% of the people can afford to buy an auto, that's a lot of potential customers. For the first 3 quarters of 2021 Tesla sold 204684 vehicles in China https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/14/china-ev-tesla-xpeng-nio-byd-are-best-selling-electric-cars-in-2021-.html It's a pretty safe bet that Tesla will at least double its Chinese sales in 2021 In September alone, Tesla sold 52163 vehicles in China. That's well over a 3rd of what they sold for the entire previous year. https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-sold-56006-china-made-vehicles-september-cpca-2021-10-12/ As for pricing, are you suffering under the delusion that Tesla is the only EV manufacturer out there? The biggest selling electric vehicle in China is The Hongguang Mini (SAIC-GM-Wuling). It had a starting price of $4162 and tops out at $5607 in 2020. So, if a similarly priced auto were available in India who could afford it? "To be in the top 5 percent, your minimum wealth should be $45,909, while you require a minimum of $22,476 to be among the richest 10 percent of Indian adults." https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/business/earnings/moneycontrol-pro-weekender-where-are-you-on-indias-wealth-ladder-7215981.html After discounting the 40% of non adult Indians, that still leaves 850 million. 10% of that would be 85 million people who could easily afford an EV were one available at the price of the Chinese vehicle. And this affordability calculation is a severe underestimate. In the US the average auto or pickup costs about $37000 per year. Average household income is about $68,000, So the cost of a vehicle comes to over 50% of household income in the US. Whereas in India the price for a chinese vehicle could be less than 20% and tops out at about 25%. And as for your comment about the total number of people in the world who can afford an EV,, doesn't that apply to ICE vehicles as well? You are clearly afflicted with a severe case of doublethink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 2 hours ago, seedy said: I post about India and China - you reply with Tesla sales worldwide. https://www.livemint.com/opinion/columns/tesla-is-unlikely-to-launch-its-vehicles-in-india-anytime-soon-11628094775966.html Tesla is estimated to have sold 137,000 electric vehicles (EVs) in China in 2020 https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202104/1220651.shtml Let me break this down for you ... In 2021, the average salary in India is 31,900 INR (Indian Rupee) per month or 3,82,800 INR per annum. That is 428.49 USD per month, according to the exchange rates in July 2021. https://biz30.timedoctor.com/average-salary-in-india/ The annual average wage of a typical Chinese employee is around 3,51,600 Yuan (USD 54,422). In both countries people are flocking to the cities due to no work or opportunities in the countryside. From their salary they provide food, clothing and shelter for themselves, and send the balance home to their parents to support them and their siblings. Do you really believe that the vast majority of people in these countries can afford any vehicle other than a bicycle ? Let alone an EV ? let alone a Tesla ? Those that tout the Scent of Musk are rich and privileged. So saying that the billions in those countries are a market is laughable - No, it is sad, and a reminder of how divorced from reality most people are in the world And by the way, guess what country has the most new auto sales? If you didn't guess China, you got it wrong. And India is moving up China Continues to be Largest Passenger Vehicle Market in the World in 2019, India on 5th Spot. https://www.news18.com/news/auto/china-continues-to-be-largest-passenger-vehicle-market-in-the-world-in-2019-india-on-5th-spot-2584975.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 (edited) 35 minutes ago, placeholder said: You don't seem to understand ???? that in countries with huge populations like India and China, even if only 10% of the people can afford to buy an auto, that's a lot of potential customers. For the first 3 quarters of 2021 Tesla sold 204684 vehicles in China It's a pretty safe bet that Tesla will at least double its Chinese sales in 2021 The biggest selling electric vehicle in China is The Hongguang Mini (SAIC-GM-Wuling). It had a starting price of $4162 and tops out at $5607 in 2020. chinese vehicle could be less than 20% and tops out at about 25%. And as for your comment about the total number of people in the world who can afford an EV,, doesn't that apply to ICE vehicles as well? You are clearly afflicted with a severe case of doublethink. All so true. along with Wuling, they sold 5 times as many cars as Tesla in China. That's the car I made reference to that sells for around 150k baht in China, but almost 400k baht in Thailand. That's sad, or many people would own that here instead of a scooter w/sidecar. Edited October 29, 2021 by KhunLA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmerjo Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 3 hours ago, Bandersnatch said: Let's see how many people I can offend when I post this. BTW I am not from Oz but I think this is bloody funny A few years a go there was a bloke called Bill Shorten who was going to change the world. It didn't end well for him. I've made my worth in the mining industry,it's no surprise that a lot of major companies are head office based in Green countries and the dirty work done elsewhere. Also time must be taken to get it right as everyone still wants food on the table. It's a big picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarrySR Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 (edited) Toyota reveals its first battery EV has 280-mile range and a solar roof option. The first of seven fully electric vehicles the automaker said it would debut by 2025. https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEMkaDXHPucQuNZFbbcNO75oqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowwOjjAjDp3xsw_oySBw?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen Edited October 29, 2021 by LarrySR 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarrySR Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Lucid Motors stock (LCID) soars +40% on Friday as their first deliveries are scheduled this weekend. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmerjo Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 Ok i'm ready to buy an EV in Thailand,i walk into the showroom to be greeted by a salesman and a selection of shiny new vehicles. What questions do i ask - Battery range and charging times Registration and insurance costs 24/7 roadside assistance - availability of flatbed trucks or is a normal tow truck suffice. Service costs - is the car IP of manufacturer for life,can i use any qualified garage for work Is the manual in English version,what hours the drivetrain parts should achieve Will you trade on new models Can i use non OEM parts Will there be fee's for disposal of old parts. At what age are regular pit inspections required for license Anything else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 14 minutes ago, farmerjo said: Ok i'm ready to buy an EV in Thailand,i walk into the showroom to be greeted by a salesman and a selection of shiny new vehicles. What questions do i ask - Battery range and charging times Registration and insurance costs 24/7 roadside assistance - availability of flatbed trucks or is a normal tow truck suffice. Service costs - is the car IP of manufacturer for life,can i use any qualified garage for work Is the manual in English version,what hours the drivetrain parts should achieve Will you trade on new models Can i use non OEM parts Will there be fee's for disposal of old parts. At what age are regular pit inspections required for license Anything else Excellent questions! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavisH Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 1 hour ago, farmerjo said: Ok i'm ready to buy an EV in Thailand,i walk into the showroom to be greeted by a salesman and a selection of shiny new vehicles. What questions do i ask - Battery range and charging times Registration and insurance costs 24/7 roadside assistance - availability of flatbed trucks or is a normal tow truck suffice. Service costs - is the car IP of manufacturer for life,can i use any qualified garage for work Is the manual in English version,what hours the drivetrain parts should achieve Will you trade on new models Can i use non OEM parts Will there be fee's for disposal of old parts. At what age are regular pit inspections required for license Anything else? Yes some good questions here. I think until EV's bcome widespread, you will likely be tied to that manufacturer. Does anyone beside a MG dealer work on MG's? Perhaps some owners can answer that. For their range, you would have to wait for real world information from owners. The goodcat (officially) gets with 400-500KM on a charge - some new reviews have been getting less than those number, but that is to be expected, as the cars are reviewed and driven at high speeds in different conditions. It would depend on your driving style. For the battery - I think it would be expensive to replace - I gues one could ask the replacemnt price at the dealer. Perhaps drive it then sell it before the battery runs out of warranty. Where would one get non-OEM parts for new imported EV cars? I think there will be body kits, maybe wheels and brakes you can get, eventually. I think the goodcat has some services like pickup the vehicle on a flatbed. My concern is the lack of safety data for the goodcat. No NCAP rating yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 41 minutes ago, DavisH said: Does anyone beside a MG dealer work on MG's? Would you want anyone besides MG to work on your MG EV. I personally wouldn't, not until EVs are more mainstream. I believe the MG EVs come with a long (8 yr) service free battery warranty. By then things should be very mainstream. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarrySR Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 Germany running electric trucks using overhead cables to run the motors and charge the batteries, cutting carbon emissions by 2/3. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandersnatch Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Even on a cloudy rainy day like we had yesterday I was able to charge my EV from my excess solar production in the middle of the day. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmerjo Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 On 10/30/2021 at 11:47 AM, farmerjo said: Ok i'm ready to buy an EV in Thailand,i walk into the showroom to be greeted by a salesman and a selection of shiny new vehicles. What questions do i ask - Battery range and charging times Registration and insurance costs 24/7 roadside assistance - availability of flatbed trucks or is a normal tow truck suffice. Service costs - is the car IP of manufacturer for life,can i use any qualified garage for work Is the manual in English version,what hours the drivetrain parts should achieve Will you trade on new models Can i use non OEM parts Will there be fee's for disposal of old parts. At what age are regular pit inspections required for license Anything else? Something else that has been in the back of my mind. Let's hope they stay on top of this. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/major-problem-evs-no-one-000000015.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandersnatch Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, farmerjo said: Let's hope they stay on top of this. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/major-problem-evs-no-one-000000015.html My home charger cannot be hacked as it's not online. So I can always make my own fuel at home unlike ICE cars 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 4 hours ago, farmerjo said: Something else that has been in the back of my mind. Let's hope they stay on top of this. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/major-problem-evs-no-one-000000015.html Actually power systems have been vulnerable to hacks that have nothing at all to do with EVs. America’s Electric Grid Has a Vulnerable Back Door—and Russia Walked Through It https://www.wsj.com/articles/americas-electric-grid-has-a-vulnerable-back-doorand-russia-walked-through-it-11547137112 It’s not just elections: Russia hacked the US electric grid And it may be just the first phase of a bigger attack. https://www.vox.com/world/2018/3/28/17170612/russia-hacking-us-power-grid-nuclear-plants 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarrySR Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 Volvos commitment to go fully electric by 2030 begins with the 2022 Volvo Recharge. The C40 uses twin electric motors—one on each axle—for a total of 402 hp and a range of up to 255 miles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarrySR Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 (edited) Honda unveils standardised swappable motorcycle batteries. The largest motorcycle manufacturers jointly signed up to a global initiative to standardise motorcycle batteries for electric motorcycles. Honda is proposing the batteries be powered by renewable energy, and with millions of units capable of being plugged back into the grid, Honda sees the system as a backup emergency battery that can be used for short periods in the event of an outage or peak demand use. Edited November 6, 2021 by LarrySR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 They got some catching up to do: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwilco Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Hacking is not ßufficient reason not to go electric. ICE , fuel can be drained, they are frequently stolen, they too suffer from fuel shortages and they emit harmful chemicals diety into the air around them....but oeople still buy them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAS21 Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Yesterday I believe… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seedy Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Another Tesla ... who wodda thunk !!! 555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 1 hour ago, JAS21 said: Yesterday I believe… 46 minutes ago, seedy said: Another Tesla ... who wodda thunk !!! 555 Since 2016 Tesla has sold almost 2 million vehicles. You gotta learn somehow to come to terms with numbers and probability. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 (edited) ALL FALSE ... as 1 comment points out: "That’s definitely not an explosion. There are no burn marks or any melted parts. It literally looks like the tesla was cut in half by a strong force probably the mustang." I've punctured Lipo (old fully charged) batteries just for the hell of it, and there would be extensive burn damage is the car battery exploded. Actually hit hard enough to split the car in half, and battery posed NO DANGER to anyone .... AMAZING. Edited November 10, 2021 by KhunLA 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 20 minutes ago, KhunLA said: ALL FALSE ... as 1 comment points out: "That’s definitely not an explosion. There are no burn marks or any melted parts. It literally looks like the tesla was cut in half by a strong force probably the mustang." I've punctured Lipo (old fully charged) batteries just for the hell of it, and there would be extensive burn damage is the car battery exploded. Actually hit hard enough to split the car in half, and battery posed NO DANGER to anyone .... AMAZING. I should have looked at the video before i commented. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seedy Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, placeholder said: Since 2016 Tesla has sold almost 2 million vehicles. You gotta learn somehow to come to terms with numbers and probability. Confirms the intelligence of 2 million people I guess 555 https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/08/04/tesla-fire/ Be careful not to run into stationary objects too 555 https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/16/business/tesla-autopilot-federal-safety-probe/index.html Edited November 10, 2021 by seedy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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