Electric vehicles of all kinds

[KhunLA]

 

[JAS21]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

ALL FALSE ... as 1 comment points out: "That’s definitely not an explosion. There are no burn marks or any melted parts. It literally looks like the tesla was cut in half by a strong force probably the mustang."

_{I've punctured Lipo (old fully charged) batteries just for the hell of it, and there would be extensive burn damage is the car battery exploded.}

_{Actually hit hard enough to split the car in half, and battery posed NO DANGER to anyone .... AMAZING.}

 

 

 

O OK so not a battery explosion in your view. Certainly bits scattered over a wide range.

 

Company share price has taken a bit of a hammering today. And yesterday.

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, JAS21 said:

O OK so not a battery explosion in your view. Certainly bits scattered over a wide range.

 

Company share price has taken a bit of a hammering today. And yesterday.

Expected, as Musk selling off 10% of the stock.

[JAS21]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Expected, as Musk selling off 10% of the stock.

Yes have just seen the Hallandale Beach report on the incident.

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1 hour ago, JAS21 said:

O OK so not a battery explosion in your view. Certainly bits scattered over a wide range.

 

Company share price has taken a bit of a hammering today. And yesterday.

It was clearly a collision. Probably no maids nearby to sweep up the mess.

Tesla shares slide 12 percent as Musk’s stock-sale pledge continues to reverberate.

Shares of Tesla fell sharply for a second consecutive day, dropping 12 percent Tuesday, in a continuing shakeout after Elon Musk, the company’s founder, suggested on Twitter that he would sell 10 percent of his stake in Tesla.

Tuesday’s losses put the stock down more than 16 percent this week, nearly erasing the series of gains it had seen in the two weeks after Tesla’s market value exceeded $1 trillion for the first time. Since Friday’s close, Tesla has shed about $200 billion in market valuation, though it remained just above the $1 trillion threshold as of the close of trading on Tuesday.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/09/business/tesla-elon-musk-stock.html

The article goes on to say that Musk may need the cash to pay for some stock options that recently vested.

[LarrySR]

Tesla stock on sale this week.

17% off. Nice! 
 

[KhunLA]

3 minutes ago, LarrySR said:

Tesla stock on sale this week.

17% off. Nice! 
 

Very.   Nice time to buy in, or wait for another 5% drop, as these are the things that drop prices, but not the value of the company.  Doubt if he'll be doing again in the future, as that gives him plenty of pocket money.

 

I used to play the worst stocks drops of the day, research why, and if just silly reason, buy in, then sell 1 or 2 months later when they recovered.

[seedy]

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[kwilco]

On 11/10/2021 at 5:57 AM, JAS21 said:

Yesterday I believe…

OK... That's  it! I'm NEVER gonna buy an electric car. I'm gonna stick to the good ol' internal combustion engine...coz there as NEVER EVER been any explosions or fires with them...and that's a fac!

[KhunLA]

Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling vehicle (not just electric) in Europe

- Oct. 25th 2021 

 

https://electrek.co/2021/10/25/tesla-model-3-becomes-best-selling-vehicle-europe/

[KhunLA]

1 minute ago, KhunLA said:

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 14, 2021 by KhunLA

[KhunLA]

1+ million kms per pack ... ????

 

 

Edited November 14, 2021 by KhunLA

[kwilco]

3 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling vehicle (not just electric) in Europe

- Oct. 25th 2021 

 

https://electrek.co/2021/10/25/tesla-model-3-becomes-best-selling-vehicle-europe/

Back in the day, to get a top ten single, you would hold back supplies and release  them altogether in one week....that way you were assured of a top ten place. 

I suspect Tesla are doing the same by controlling delivery of their cars .

However I doubt if 5 years ago anyone would have thought they would even register on a list like that.

Tesla are not even the biggest producer of electric cars anymore.

[seedy]

 

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2 hours ago, seedy said:

 

Thanks for the old, outdated news.

 

Ford signs deal with Redwood Materials to recycle EV Batteries 

Ford is partnering with battery recycling start-up Redwood Materials to reuse the raw materials from EV battery packs.  

The agreement, which will begin initially with recycling scrap material from battery manufacturing, is the latest indication automakers are taking steps to address the supply and cost of raw materials needed to manufacture batteries for electric vehicles.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/22/ford-signs-deal-with-redwood-materials-to-recycle-ev-batteries-.html

 

Wave of investment just the beginning for EV battery recycling

https://www.wastedive.com/news/lithium-ion-battery-recycling-ev-li-cycle-retriev/608778/

 

Recycled cathode materials enabled superior performance for lithium-ion batteries

Recycling spent lithium-ion batteries plays a significant role in alleviating the shortage of raw materials and environmental problems.

However, recycled materials are deemed inferior to commercial materials, preventing the industry from adopting recycled materials in new batteries. Here, we demonstrate that the recycled LiNi_1/3Mn_1/3Co_1/3O₂ has a superior rate and cycle performance, verified by various industry-level tests.

https://www.cell.com/joule/fulltext/S2542-4351(21)00433-5?_returnURL=https%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS2542435121004335%3Fshowall%3Dtrue

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4 hours ago, seedy said:

 

A Swedish Firm Has Created the World's First Fully-Recycled EV Battery

https://interestingengineering.com/a-swedish-firm-has-created-the-worlds-first-fully-recycled-ev-battery

[LarrySR]

EV charging stocks last week:

EVGo (NASDAQ:EVGO) +89.38%, Volta (NYSE:VLTA) +34.93%, QuantumScape (NYSE:QS) +25.11%, placed in the top five gainers. 
 

[Kanada]

On 11/12/2021 at 1:20 AM, kwilco said:

OK... That's  it! I'm NEVER gonna buy an electric car. I'm gonna stick to the good ol' internal combustion engine...coz there as NEVER EVER been any explosions or fires with them...and that's a fac!

Pinto?

Vega?

????

[seedy]

 

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4 hours ago, seedy said:

 

The car salesman is back! Maybe he's upset that there's no place for middlemen when it comes to selling Teslas?

[kwilco]

17 hours ago, Kanada said:

Pinto?

Vega?

????

No really???? OMG how come only you knew that?

[sezze]

4 hours ago, kwilco said:

No really???? OMG how come only you knew that?

There's plenty more .

Batteries can catch fire , as long as Li will be used , since Li is very unstable element . It will not blow up , but will cause what it is called in chemical reactions as a "runaway" .

Fuel cars did come a long long way , gasoline ( benzine) is much more flammable then batteries , but they had time to learn from previous accidents to prevent fires. Diesel is a different story , since at normal temp , this is inflammable . You either have to heat it up to create a gas ( liquids don't burn ) or disperse it . 

Take it or leave it , unless you are death in the next 10y , you will see the transfer to electric happening very very fast . They are much better is many ways , and worse in some others . Biggest downfall atm is the price , they do cost a lot more then fuel cars , but that price difference will get smaller ( and has been getting smaller) as years go by .

In use you also have to figure out what it will cost you on daily base .

A electric car in general does use around 15kW/100km -> around 65-70 baht / 100km

A fuel car at a price of 30baht /l will use somewhere in the range of 5-10l /100km -> 150-300baht /100km .

And let's not forget you can put solar panels on your roof and get your electric even cheaper .

In case of motorbikes , the difference is much bigger . Most people i know use their motorbikes in a range where even very cheap electric motorbikes can compete . Going around the local town , to local market , ... driving only few km .

It will take over the market fast , i think in 15y , you will have to look at new cars and will find fuel cars as you find now electric cars .

[LarrySR]

13 hours ago, seedy said:

 

This Bogan is back discussing EVs again? Isn't he the guy that predicted Tesla was going "belly up" a few years ago?

 

Bogan (BOHG-ən) is Australian slang for a person whose speech, clothing, attitude and behavior are considered unrefined or uncultured.

A  'thick headed"  unsophisticated person with super-inflated ego naturally sees themselves as the quintessential Australian, love to explain "how things work." 

Generally dim-witted, borish and uncouth, Bogans are well known for having poor and vulgar language and typically found in rural areas or outer, lower class suburbs, inhabiting trailer parks.

Can often be found standing around in their driveway, surrounded by fellow Bogans discussing why the "carby is stuffed" on their early model Holden.

Bogans must be kept separate from their female offspring to prevent errant mating activity.

 

If you encounter the Bogan, leave quietly and if pressed, speak in the third person about car repairs or TV wrestling while thinking of an excuse to leave swiftly.

 

 

 

 

Edited November 15, 2021 by LarrySR

[KhunLA]

7 hours ago, kwilco said:

No really???? OMG how come only you knew that?

I thought it was common knowledge also ... "Ford sold 328,275 in the United States in 1971, its first year. Pinto crashes caused the death and mutilation of 900 occupants after their cars burst into flames after rear-end collisions, according to Wyden in The Unknown Iacocca"

 

"Of the 1.9 million Vegas produced between 1971 and 1977, "we know of 14 that have been involved in rear impact crash fires involving injuries," Noack added. "In the 14 crashes, 13 persons died; five in one crash alone.

The reason the controversy over unsafe gas tanks has so far centered on the Pinto, he said, was because Ford decided to fight lawsuits from crash victims, while General Motors chose instead to settle Vega lawsuits out of court."

[LarrySR]

26 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I thought it was common knowledge also ... "Ford sold 328,275 in the United States in 1971, its first year. Pinto crashes caused the death and mutilation of 900 occupants after their cars burst into flames after rear-end collisions,

 

 

[seedy]

This article urges caution and pause before an EV lock-in and calls on geographers and other scholars, professionals, and sustainability advocates to consider the multiscale environmental and social problems associated with EVs.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/341138675_EVs_Are_Not_the_Answer_A_Mobility_Justice_Critique_of_Electric_Vehicle_Transitions

[kwilco]

4 hours ago, KhunLA said:

I thought it was common knowledge also ... "Ford sold 328,275 in the United States in 1971, its first year. Pinto crashes caused the death and mutilation of 900 occupants after their cars burst into flames after rear-end collisions, according to Wyden in The Unknown Iacocca"

 

"Of the 1.9 million Vegas produced between 1971 and 1977, "we know of 14 that have been involved in rear impact crash fires involving injuries," Noack added. "In the 14 crashes, 13 persons died; five in one crash alone.

The reason the controversy over unsafe gas tanks has so far centered on the Pinto, he said, was because Ford decided to fight lawsuits from crash victims, while General Motors chose instead to settle Vega lawsuits out of court."

So you're saying thst petrol is combustible?

You'll  be saying it produces greenhouse gases next

[Yellowtail]

8 hours ago, KhunLA said:

I thought it was common knowledge also ... "Ford sold 328,275 in the United States in 1971, its first year. Pinto crashes caused the death and mutilation of 900 occupants after their cars burst into flames after rear-end collisions, according to Wyden in The Unknown Iacocca"

 

"Of the 1.9 million Vegas produced between 1971 and 1977, "we know of 14 that have been involved in rear impact crash fires involving injuries," Noack added. "In the 14 crashes, 13 persons died; five in one crash alone.

The reason the controversy over unsafe gas tanks has so far centered on the Pinto, he said, was because Ford decided to fight lawsuits from crash victims, while General Motors chose instead to settle Vega lawsuits out of court."

Really? 

 

 

 

[kwilco]

So should I stop buying internal combustion engine vehicles? Maybe just diesels? That doesn't burn, does it,

[Kanada]

On 11/16/2021 at 1:02 AM, kwilco said:

No really???? OMG how come only you knew that?

Perfect BOGAN????

(explained below)