Sacked cop ‘Joe Ferrari’ involved in seizure of 410 smuggled high-end cars

[brianthainess]

2 hours ago, realfunster said:

 

Oh come on, please don’t fall for their nonsense.

 

What is more likely ? 

 

1) Unassuming Joe Ferrari is the car seizing super hero Thailand needs. All of this achieved from the innocuous central northern province of Nakhon Sawan, which for some strange reason is like a magnet for Lamborghinis or …

2) Joe Ferrari knows he can “cash in” stolen and smuggled cars in Thailand and is involved in an international car theft ring…

 

If I understand the full story correctly it seems to go something like "you smuggle a car from Malaysia then go back to your home country, I will seize the car and a brown envelope will be posted on to you" and some were seized before even entering Thailand ??. Love to hear how that was possible.

 Did I not also read that his wife was involved in selling high end cars ?

[Scouse123]

5 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

I would say that the entire Police force should be reviewed and their incomes and property owned checked 100%, but I think we all know who'd be doing most of the checking.

Who's checking the checkers?

[Scouse123]

4 hours ago, 2 is 1 said:

Hole idea police get profit from doing job is ridiculous! Same if drug dealer give you money to look away!

I would say,

 

It's the same as seizing drugs from the drug courier and then being given a percentage of the street value by the authorities!

 

OR

 

declaring a percentage of the said drugs and claiming a cash percentage of their value and then reselling the undeclared drugs on the black market.

 

Whatever way you  look at it, this is just a mockery of the legal system. He is far more dishonest / bent and a far bigger crook than those he arrests.

 

 

 

 

Edited October 5, 2021 by Scouse123

[crazykopite]

Must of been his hobby !

[TheFishman1]

 The police force in Thailand and the government in Thailand is full of corruption they help each other they cover-up for each other and money is paid so that the very wealthy people will never spend one day in jail example Red Bull guy I’ll be back in a few more years it’s a shame Thailand will never stop being a corrupt country and the cops here is like the modern day mafia They have their fingers into everything TIT

[Dogmatix]

2 hours ago, ronster said:

You have to find it hard to believe that this guy has got all these cars taken from their owners as they were illegal etc and not one got the hump and tried to get revenge !

Would be interesting to know if any other cop has similar numbers of busts with illegal cars , I bet not even close . Plus how can he have so much money when the raids will be conducted by several policemen so surely that would water down his catch bonus . ????

There is something very strange about all this. The gangs who do the smuggling and sales are a fairly close knit group and so are the customers.  Why would they keep on smuggling and buying the cars when so many were being seized?

 Why have there been hardly any stories about arrests and convictions of the gangs and customers? The answer is probably that the police are involved on both sides of the transactions, in the smuggling and sales as well as the seizures. Joe was stationed in the South where smuggling of all kinds of goods and human trafficking is a major source of income fought over bitterly between police and military.  By providing the rewards and the ability of the police to rig the auctions, so no one else gets to bid, the government has poured gasoline on the flames of crime and corruption by adding an easy means of money laundering.  I wonder if all the records of cars seized and sold at auction is consistent with the number of cars being driven around that are registered as seized cars legitimized by being sold at auction and whether the customs department has been paid in full.

Edited October 5, 2021 by Dogmatix

[nobodysfriend]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

Pol Gen Suchart said it was discovered that 101 of the smuggled cars were reported to have been stolen abroad,

First stolen , then smuggled , then confiscated ... end up becoming the property of some ' influential persons '

 

Is that according to the law ?

I dunno , but doubt it ...

[sirineou]

4 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

First stolen , then smuggled , then confiscated ... end up becoming the property of some ' influential persons '

 

Is that according to the law ?

I dunno , but doubt it ...

IMO stolen goods should be returned to the original owner , or funds raised  from the sale of such goods returned to the owner, or to the insurance company who paid a claim. 

[Artisi]

3 hours ago, itsari said:

Makes for better reading than some poor soul murdered in custody . 

Makes for more conspiracy theories.... 

[kingstonkid]

The solution is simple but will never be enacted.

 

Pay a decent wage that police can live off of without living in <deleted> housing.

make sure that police have an education minimum Pratom 6 and

they pass an entrance exam.

Explain to them that taking anything valued at more that 15 baht is against the law and they will not only be fired but they will be charged with corruption and spend time in jail as well as forfeit everything they own.

 

Charge and investigate the top brass of every police station.  Anyone that has taken a bribe fired pension erased and property of them and their family seized.

 

Do away with bounty and extra pay for doing their job.

Make all senior police officers take college courses in police procedure.

Bring in senior federal police from 5 western countries to look at and suggest changes.  

(This is the easy one as most embassies have senior federal police on embassy staff already.)

 

[Misterwhisper]

Who cares how many smuggled luxury cars he has seized????

 

What we WANT to know is how many other people he and his goons have possibly tortured and murdered in the past and reported their causes of death as being "drug overdosing".

 

What we also WANT to know is what consequences he is going to face for his most recent murder.

 

Why are the police concentrating on investigating smuggled car seizures when we have a very clear murder case at hand that should be prosecuted?

Edited October 5, 2021 by Misterwhisper

[welshissan]

2 hours ago, Moonlover said:

1,000 cars exported to a country where they drive on the right? That sounds somewhat unlikely.

They drive on the left here.

Like quite a few countries !!

[LarrySR]

6 minutes ago, Misterwhisper said:

Who cares how many smuggled luxury cars he has seized????

 

What we WANT to know is how many other people he and his goons have tortured murdered in the past and reported their cause of death as being "drug overdosing".

 

What we also WANT to know is what consequences he is going to face for his most recent murder.

 

Why are the police concentrating on investigating smuggled car seizures when we have a very clear murder case at hand that should be prosecuted?

Very likely an operation as big as the car smuggling ring has connections all the way to the top of the food chain.

A few killings here and there are just collateral damage. Participants untouchable, unless a video surfaces, then some authority has to appear to be concerned until the case blows over.

Ferrari Joe will be reprimanded and pay some price for getting caught.

[Benmart]

4 hours ago, clivebaxter said:

The case is about him murdering a suspect with plastic bags for a corrupt payment of 2 million baht. not about his car collection

Corruption is often connected to other crimes. 

[toofarnorth]

3 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

Well yes, but with the car collection "explained" that only leaves the cash and the death in custody. The wheels they are a turning...

 

 

 

and some very fancy wheels too.

[nobodysfriend]

56 minutes ago, kingstonkid said:

Explain to them that taking anything valued at more that 15 baht is against the law and they will not only be fired but they will be charged with corruption and spend time in jail as well as forfeit everything they own.

Nobody would want to become an RTP member anymore ...

[Moonlover]

3 hours ago, Moonlover said:

5 hours ago, LarrySR said:

Over 10 years ago, I recall a story of a man that had his car stolen, went to the police station to report it, saw his car in the parking lot, then watched a cop get in and drive it off. 

Investigation uncovered a car theft business run by police with an estimated 1,000 cars hijacked and exported to Cambodia. 

 

1 hour ago, welshissan said:

3 hours ago, Moonlover said:

1,000 cars exported to a country where they drive on the right? That sounds somewhat unlikely.

1 hour ago, welshissan said:

They drive on the left here.

Like quite a few countries !!

@welshissan you obviously did not take the trouble to read all, or any of the post by larrySR to which I was referring. It's at the top of this post. Go read it, then you'll understand mine. 

 

Edited October 5, 2021 by Moonlover

[Dogmatix]

This starts to make more sense in the context of car thief gangs exporting stolen cars to Thailand. They may be branches of the gangs that export things like Cadaillacs stolen in the US to China or the ones that lift Benzes packed near beaches in Hong Kong and put them on a speed boat to Guangzhou. 

 

So the stolen cars are shipped to Malaysia and driven over the border by foreigners with the connivance of corrupt customs. If there are still naive, wealthy Thai crooks willing to pay for a smuggled car, the Ferrari gang can get the first round of profit from the initial sale (cash only of course) but most of those interested in smuggled cars must be plugged into the police/criminal network and would know what will happen, if they purchase one. The foreign drivers are never caught at the border and fly out immediately without being arrested. Joe seizes the car maybe just parked in the street somewhere without implicating anyone.  The customs pay a bounty and the car is sold for a low price at a rigged auction and then resold at a profit with legal registration papers.   

 

Bascically they are involved in car theft, smuggling, fraudulently obtaining bounties for solving their own crimes, fifixing auctions and ultimately fencing stolen goods and laundering money for crooks who buy the legitimised stolen cars and can resell them.  There is no mention of arrests of the people involved in the smuggling and distribution of 410 cars or of any attempts by the Thai government to return the stolen ones to their owners.

[Artisi]

2 hours ago, kingstonkid said:

The solution is simple but will never be enacted.

 

Pay a decent wage that police can live off of without living in <deleted> housing.

make sure that police have an education minimum Pratom 6 and

they pass an entrance exam.

Explain to them that taking anything valued at more that 15 baht is against the law and they will not only be fired but they will be charged with corruption and spend time in jail as well as forfeit everything they own.

 

Charge and investigate the top brass of every police station.  Anyone that has taken a bribe fired pension erased and property of them and their family seized.

 

Do away with bounty and extra pay for doing their job.

Make all senior police officers take college courses in police procedure.

Bring in senior federal police from 5 western countries to look at and suggest changes.  

(This is the easy one as most embassies have senior federal police on embassy staff already.)

 

In your dreams ????

[DBath]

“…and 169 were reported stolen after their seizure, leaving 140 cars, the provenance of which is still being investigated.”

 

Pretty sure there will be nothing more forthcoming on that. 
 

It’s troubling to me how the Thai gov’t shows no consideration as to how stories like this - along with their poor handling of vaccine distribution - adversely affects the morale and well-being of it’s people. 
 

Even more troubling is how they continue to demonstrate that they couldn’t care less. 

 

[Artisi]

3 minutes ago, Dogmatix said:

This starts to make more sense in the context of car thief gangs exporting stolen cars to Thailand. They may be branches of the gangs that export things like Cadaillacs stolen in the US to China or the ones that lift Benzes packed near beaches in Hong Kong and put them on a speed boat to Guangzhou. 

 

So the stolen cars are shipped to Malaysia and driven over the border by foreigners with the connivance of corrupt customs. If there are still naive, wealthy Thai crooks willing to pay for a smuggled car, the Ferrari gang can get the first round of profit from the initial sale (cash only of course) but most of those interested in smuggled cars must be plugged into the police/criminal network and would know what will happen, if they purchase one. The foreign drivers are never caught at the border and fly out immediately without being arrested. Joe seizes the car maybe just parked in the street somewhere without implicating anyone.  The customs pay a bounty and the car is sold for a low price at a rigged auction and then resold at a profit with legal registration papers.   

 

Bascically they are involved in car theft, smuggling, fraudulently obtaining bounties for solving their own crimes, fifixing auctions and ultimately fencing stolen goods and laundering money for crooks who buy the legitimised stolen cars and can resell them.  There is no mention of arrests of the people involved in the smuggling and distribution of 410 cars or of any attempts by the Thai government to return the stolen ones to their owners.

while many of the exotics are legally driven in to Thailand, left abandoned or reported stolen - collected by xxx, reported as found by xxx, computer or similar removed to lower the price some-what, bid on by xxx or agent and purchased,  xxx gets finders fee then on sells the car - returns agreed amount to the original owner and pockets the profit, as the car can be sold at a higher price in Thailand than what can be got in Malaysia.  Really not much different than playing the stock market or money market, so where / what is the crime - dodgy dealings - but this is Thailand where everything is dodgy.  

[Dogmatix]

2 hours ago, Moonlover said:

 

@welshissan you obviously did not take the trouble to read all, or any of the post by larrySR to which I was referring. It's at the top of this post. Go read it, then you'll understand mine. 

 

There used to be big racket stealing cars in Thailand and exporting them to Cambodia.  Benzes were most popular but other brands went too and some were exported by individuals who bought on finance, drove it over the border and reported their car stolen and claimed on the insurance.  But the Cambodian govt more or less stamped the trade out by banned right had drive cars from the roads.

[Moonlover]

6 minutes ago, Dogmatix said:

There used to be big racket stealing cars in Thailand and exporting them to Cambodia.  Benzes were most popular but other brands went too and some were exported by individuals who bought on finance, drove it over the border and reported their car stolen and claimed on the insurance.  But the Cambodian govt more or less stamped the trade out by banned right had drive cars from the roads.

Ok, thanks for the clarification. 

[lesmac]

10 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

I would say that the entire Police force should be reviewed and their incomes and property owned checked 100%, but I think we all know who'd be doing most of the checking.

Don't forget the army

[Dogmatix]

4 minutes ago, Artisi said:

while many of the exotics are legally driven in to Thailand, left abandoned or reported stolen - collected by xxx, reported as found by xxx, computer or similar removed to lower the price some-what, bid on by xxx or agent and purchased,  xxx gets finders fee then on sells the car - returns agreed amount to the original owner and pockets the profit, as the car can be sold at a higher price in Thailand than what can be got in Malaysia.  Really not much different than playing the stock market or money market, so where / what is the crime - dodgy dealings - but this is Thailand where everything is dodgy.  

If they were being legitimately bought in Malaysia and sold to the gangs by the owners who report them stolen and claim on insurance, insurance companies would be getting their government to make a fuss with the Thai government. Also the import duty and excise tax are very high on cars in Malaysia, so they are unlikely to be bought much cheaper there. It may be that they are being soured from the UK and the few other left hand drive countries, as wells as Malaysia, either legally or stolen.  There used to be big business importing Benzes and BMWs from the UK, some of which came in legally as grey market cars and some illegally through Malaysia.  The grey market dealers benefitted from being able to sell models that were not produced in Thailand.  For models that were locally produced customers preferred the completely built up versions rather than Thai local assembly. 

 

It is still a bit mysterious and given that it was obviously highly organised, there must have been high level involvement.  So we will probably never know all the details. 

[Dogmatix]

2 minutes ago, lesmac said:

Don't forget the army

True.  Some may recall the bitter infighting between army and police over Thaksin's initiative to take control in the South from the military Southern Border Command, set up by Gen Prem in the 80s, that essentially did police work and controlled the border, and give it back to the police. Financially the bitterness was about who controlled the smuggling rackets in the South, of which oil was the biggest element. But politically the army also felt they were better at keeping the peace. Prem, a Southerner himself, appointed many officers who also came from the South to senior positions and had many of them spend their entire careers there, getting good relations with all the local leaders.  Thaksin replaced all these army commanders with police thugs from Bangkok with orders to crush the insurgents within months and of course take control of all the illegal businesses and send a percentage his way.  The marine police, part of the Crime Suppression Division took over the oil smuggling from the Navy. Within months the South was in flames. 

[Moo 2]

Joe Ferrari will be OK he is Thai, I am more concerned about the American who "raped" a Thai "masseuse".

[PETERTHEEATER]

On 10/5/2021 at 7:27 AM, Nkpjed said:

The deputy police chief said the fact that several cars were seized before they were smuggled into southern Thailand was a clear indication that the seizures were illegal, adding that several of the cars were brought into Thailand by foreigners, who immediately flew back to their countries.

He said he has ordered the immigration police to find out how many cars were brought into Thailand using this trick.

 

They’ll need a slide rule for this

Or a mathematician on loan from TAT......

[biggles45]

'when the police salaries are woefully inadequate police will devise other ways of generating genuine income' 

 

You could give them 5 times higher salary and nothing would change. The greed is already part of their DNA and a primary reason for being a cop. 

[malthebluff]

8 hours ago, LarrySR said:

Over 10 years ago, I recall a story of a man that had his car stolen, went to the police station to report it, saw his car in the parking lot, then watched a cop get in and drive it off. 

Investigation uncovered a car theft business run by police with an estimated 1,000 cars hijacked and exported to Cambodia. 

That's more of the true story here stolen imported and then rewarded and then sold on he on a win win win