wadman Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 23 minutes ago, mommysboy said: Looks like the standard dosing regime for all vaccines is going to 2 plus one 6 months later. Sinovac is good enough. It prevents serious illness and death- maybe not as much as AZ though. The problem with Sinovac and Sinopharm is the lack of transparency of the medical data by the Chinese companies. If there was one available from western countries (an inactivated vaccine, based on the same technology as flu shots), I would take that instead. Someone earlier in this thread had already posted about a study on vaccinated people requiring intensive care due to covid: Sinovac 0.011%, Pfizer 0.002%, Astra 0.001%. Barely a difference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burma Bill Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 21 hours ago, Jeffr2 said: Sinovac isn't very good, but Sinopharm seems much better Interesting, but from my experience, it depends on which doctor one consults. Here in Cambodia, my Khmer doctor advised me to have Sinovac and not Sinopharm as I am an insulin dependent Type 2 diabetic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffr2 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 11 minutes ago, Uroller said: Just wanted to provide some positive feedback for a change???? My experience with the Pfizer registration in Phuket run by Bangkok Hospital was flawless. Arrived at Central Festival on assigned date and time, registered, jabbed and received appointment day and time for second jab 2 weeks later. Showed up for second jab early ( about an hour), no problem, filled in a short form then went into the main area, my details were input into the system and I moved in for the jab. Waited the 30 mins after the jab then received my certificate and on my way????Kudos to Bangkok hospital and all the staff for a job well done???????? The one little issue was the first jab registration as unregistered people tried, some were successful in gate crashing the party (Farangs), but didn’t ruin the fine work by all???? As a side note I didn’t want to get vaccinated but unfortunately needing to travel forced the issue and at least I got Pfizer. Great that travel forced the issue. We need more mandates to deal with the holdouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffr2 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 21 minutes ago, wadman said: The problem with Sinovac and Sinopharm is the lack of transparency of the medical data by the Chinese companies. If there was one available from western countries (an inactivated vaccine, based on the same technology as flu shots), I would take that instead. Someone earlier in this thread had already posted about a study on vaccinated people requiring intensive care due to covid: Sinovac 0.011%, Pfizer 0.002%, Astra 0.001%. Barely a difference. If Sinovac was so good, it be the standard in Western countries. It isn't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sirineou Posted October 19, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 19, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said: If Sinovac was so good, it be the standard in Western countries. It isn't. Everyone agrees that it is not so good, Other vaccines are more efficacious, the argument is, that in the absence of other better options Sinovac is good enough. Intensive care due to covid is an important metric but not the only one. Edited October 19, 2021 by sirineou 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfox1 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 cut your losses, learn a lesson and tip the lot down the pan… better than using humans as a waste disposal dump 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tonypandy Posted October 19, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 19, 2021 On 10/18/2021 at 4:54 PM, Jeffr2 said: Sinovac isn't very good, but Sinopharm seems much better. Of course the gold standard is Pfizer. I think Sinopharm followed up by AZ should be ok! And who says Pfizer is the gold standard? It's all western propaganda. Pfizer, J and J, AZ, Moderna, Merck all owned by the same shareholders. The same Shareholders who own the majority of the press and media corporations in the west. Time to wake up. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinsdale Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 I guess they are worried about their pockets being too full. Send overseas and start again on the next corrupt vaccine project. Hang on. ATK. That's a good one. Filling the other pockets. This is an admission of guilt. There should be big jail time for these guys. Oh wait. TIT. Big money no jail. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffr2 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 44 minutes ago, Tonypandy said: And who says Pfizer is the gold standard? It's all western propaganda. Pfizer, J and J, AZ, Moderna, Merck all owned by the same shareholders. The same Shareholders who own the majority of the press and media corporations in the west. Time to wake up. What? No conspiracy theories, please. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinsdale Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 51 minutes ago, Tonypandy said: And who says Pfizer is the gold standard? It's all western propaganda. Pfizer, J and J, AZ, Moderna, Merck all owned by the same shareholders. The same Shareholders who own the majority of the press and media corporations in the west. Time to wake up. I guess those who have died and were unvaccinated which looking around the world is the majority will never wake up. Question to you. Have you been vaccinated? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonypandy Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 22 minutes ago, dinsdale said: I guess those who have died and were unvaccinated which looking around the world is the majority will never wake up. Question to you. Have you been vaccinated? Obviously you read and watch the news from the corporatations owned by those who own big pharma. I bet you don't even know who they are? With regard to being vaccinated I am still in the majority. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonypandy Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 36 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said: What? No conspiracy theories, please. No conspiracy theories. It's easy to check who owns who on the stockmarket indexes. Try it 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3NUMBAS Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 theres alot of duds around walking the streets ,walking petri dishes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffr2 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Tonypandy said: No conspiracy theories. It's easy to check who owns who on the stockmarket indexes. Try it I guess you believe this is a plandemic? Would love to hear your thoughts. Edited October 19, 2021 by Jeffr2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nojohndoe Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, bbabythai said: we have a staff member who had 2 shots of sinovac and a pfizer. a month ago she got covid and was off for 3 weeks. sinovac is a substandard fake jab from china. Cant believe thai's put up with this <deleted>. So in your "qualified" opinion of the vaccines can you advise me of how you arrive at the definition of Sinovac as fake? Or in extension of your opinion explain the science in an apparent attribution to a single shot of Pfizer as being singularly effective in a remarkable recovery of only 3 weeks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroveHillWanderer Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, John Drake said: Yes, something there with AZ. I had two shots of Sinovac with few side effects other than some tiredness over three or four days. I received the AZ "booster" on 30 September. Almost three weeks in and I'm still constantly dizzy, tired, and have recurring bouts of nausea. I wish I had never taken the AZ. I had recurring dizziness and nausea after my SinoVac jab for about 3 weeks. It eventually faded away. After I got my second jab (which was AstraZeneca) I had no side effects other than a sore arm. People react differently to different vaccines, but hopefully your dizziness and nausea after AZ will fade, as mine after SinoVac did. Edited October 19, 2021 by GroveHillWanderer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadman Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 12 hours ago, John Drake said: Yes, something there with AZ. I had two shots of Sinovac with few side effects other than some tiredness over three or four days. I received the AZ "booster" on 30 September. Almost three weeks in and I'm still constantly dizzy, tired, and have recurring bouts of nausea. I wish I had never taken the AZ. 22 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said: I had recurring dizziness and nausea after my SinoVac jab for about 3 weeks. It eventually faded away. After I got my second jab (which was AstraZeneca) I had no side effects other than a sore arm. People react differently to different vaccines, but hopefully your dizziness and nausea after AZ will fade, as mine after SinoVac did. Well, according to some people here, if you still feel the side effects after 3 weeks, then these are "very atypical". And probably not even due to the vaccine, you are just sick from something else and need to see a doctor... Note: I have side effects 3 weeks after AZ too, luckily mine are mild. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowofacloud Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 It's a good decision. As many posters observed before, Sinopharm is a pretty good vaccine - better than some of the "western" vaccines if you use the misleading and unreliable "efficacy" measure - but Sinovac is clearly subpar. China should make a more determined effort to phase out Sinovac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommysboy Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 10 hours ago, wadman said: The problem with Sinovac and Sinopharm is the lack of transparency of the medical data by the Chinese companies. If there was one available from western countries (an inactivated vaccine, based on the same technology as flu shots), I would take that instead. Someone earlier in this thread had already posted about a study on vaccinated people requiring intensive care due to covid: Sinovac 0.011%, Pfizer 0.002%, Astra 0.001%. Barely a difference. 'If there was one available from western countries (an inactivated vaccine, based on the same technology as flu shots), I would take that instead.' I think there are a few on the way from the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djayz Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 The penny has dropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gk10012001 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 So will they change the vaccination statistics and now not count those that were vaccinated with Sinovac? Even if they don't are those vaccinated with it really protected in any meaningful way? And looking forward, what are the odds that booster shots will be mandated for vistors, and expats in order for them to be considered vaccinated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stargeezr Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 I just read that Sinopharm also comes from Bejing China, so what is the difference between it and Sinovac? Just curious? Geezer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinsdale Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 13 hours ago, Tonypandy said: Obviously you read and watch the news from the corporatations owned by those who own big pharma. I bet you don't even know who they are? With regard to being vaccinated I am still in the majority. No I look at what is happening. Reality. As for majority, the majority of hospitalisations and deaths are unvaccinated. This is not news from cooperations owned by big pharma as you say but from hospitals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 21 hours ago, lolalol said: Why don't they order more? They've been saying sinovac is a good vaccine. Now they are nearly done using it, and no orders are on the books.... is it perhaps time to face the reality! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonypandy Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 34 minutes ago, dinsdale said: No I look at what is happening. Reality. As for majority, the majority of hospitalisations and deaths are unvaccinated. This is not news from cooperations owned by big pharma as you say but from hospitals. You are simply stating what you have heard or read, the only way is via the big news corporations who control what they want people to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinsdale Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Tonypandy said: You are simply stating what you have heard or read, the only way is via the big news corporations who control what they want people to know. When a senior nurse from intensive care says >90% of critical care patients and patients on ventilators are unvaccinated I believe them. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThailandRyan Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Tonypandy said: You are simply stating what you have heard or read, the only way is via the big news corporations who control what they want people to know. Not quite. I get it from the horses mouth who is a hospital surgical nurse practitioner, my daughter and my former co-workers in the ER's and on the road. Try again with your conspiracy theories. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonypandy Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 2 hours ago, ThailandRyan said: Not quite. I get it from the horses mouth who is a hospital surgical nurse practitioner, my daughter and my former co-workers in the ER's and on the road. Try again with your conspiracy theories. A conspiracy is when someone states somthing but cannot back it up, he said, she said. What I stated is fact and can be supported by a simple check on who owns which companies on the stockmarket. If you are getting your information from the horses mouth, then maybe you should ask them thier thoughts on Ivervectum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommysboy Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Anybody who is over 40 and doesn't get vaccinated is a bit nutty imo. I mean I don't like the vaccines at all (they're basically somewhat less than completely safe) but I hate the idea of seeing through the pandemic with a naive immune system even more. One thing is sure, when the economy is open again you are going to get infected sooner or later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteman Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 I think all the brown paper bags have stopped coming hence they stopping the supply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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