'Do your own research / I do my own research' has become code for conspiracy theory followers

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, Catoni said:

I see. You are claiming that a political philosophy like Marxist Communism or Fascism/Nazism does not involve conspiracy.  
   Uh huh?  Yeah.  Okay. Sure…….I believe you. ????????

It's one thing to allege a conspiracy and another to explain what it is.

[ozimoron]

53 minutes ago, Catoni said:

Conspiracy can and does involve secrecy often. But not always. 

Those accusing others of being “Conspiracy theory nutters” try to claim the word conspiracy is synonymous with the word lie. Which it’s not. 
    These people are implying that conspiracies are fables. Conspiracies do not exist. In reality, there is no such thing as conspiracies. 
   Often they are the same people who accused Donald Trump of a Russian collusion conspiracy. 
   Makes you wonder just who the REAL nutters are. 
 

1: the act of conspiring together.   “They were accused of conspiracy to commit murder.

2a: an agreement among conspirators …”We uncovered a conspiracy against the government”

b: a group of conspirators, such as a conspiracy made up of disgruntled aristocrats

A conspiracy and a conspiracy theory are not the same thing.

[LosLobo]

1 hour ago, Catoni said:

Conspiracy can and does involve secrecy often. But not always. 

Those accusing others of being “Conspiracy theory nutters” try to claim the word conspiracy is synonymous with the word lie. Which it’s not. 
    These people are implying that conspiracies are fables. Conspiracies do not exist. In reality, there is no such thing as conspiracies. 
   Often they are the same people who accused Donald Trump of a Russian collusion conspiracy. 
   Makes you wonder just who the REAL nutters are. 
 

1: the act of conspiring together.   “They were accused of conspiracy to commit murder.

2a: an agreement among conspirators …”We uncovered a conspiracy against the government”

b: a group of conspirators, such as a conspiracy made up of disgruntled aristocrats

You are trying to spread confusion with the meaning of conspiracy theory and conspiracy and playing with semantics to justify your position.

Just because they both contain the word "conspiracy' doesn't they mean the same thing.
A conspiracy theory is :
"a belief that some covert but influential organization is responsible for an unexplained event".

Generally the "lie" is the misinformation the "conspiracy theorist nutters" try to spread.

 

Edited December 11, 2021 by LosLobo

[gamb00ler]

9 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Inflation, fuel prices, immigration policy -  biden is losing control fast. 

 

The media couldn't be any softer on biden than they are now. Even CNN knows they have to report some truth.

Inflation and fuel prices are not products of governmental policies.  Of the three you name only 1 is about policy.  If you claim otherwise state the exact policies that have increased inflation and fuel prices.

 

Looks like you got an F.

Edited December 11, 2021 by gamb00ler

[The Hammer2021]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

A conspiracy and a conspiracy theory are not the same thing.

Rather stating the obvious.

[The Hammer2021]

1 hour ago, LosLobo said:

You are trying to spread confusion with the meaning of conspiracy theory and conspiracy and playing with semantics to justify your position.

Just because they both contain the word "conspiracy' doesn't they mean the same thing.
A conspiracy theory is :
"a belief that some covert but influential organization is responsible for an unexplained event".

Generally the "lie" is the misinformation the "conspiracy theorist nutters" try to spread.

 

A conspiracy that is not private, that is not secret is a plan. A secret plan is a conspiracy and is secret because the aims and goals are not acceptable or approved of. The current conspiracy theories about Covid and 5G, Bill Gates, serum trackers, pineal gland probing are Nuts, Bonkers , Idiocy.

[The Hammer2021]

On 12/9/2021 at 4:56 PM, KhunLA said:

There is a reason the Bilderberg Group annual meet up isn't open to reporters  ...  just a thought.

There is a reason editorial meetings aren't open to the general public but it has nothing to do with journalists plotting.

[The Hammer2021]

49 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

Inflation and fuel prices are not products of governmental policies.  Of the three you name only 1 is about policy.  If you claim otherwise state the exact policies that have increased inflation and fuel prices.

 

Looks like you got an F.

Taxation increase fuel prices. Environmental controls etc etc are all goverment policies.

[The Hammer2021]

3 hours ago, Catoni said:

I see. You are claiming that a political philosophy like Marxist Communism or Fascism/Nazism does not involve conspiracy.  
   Uh huh?  Yeah.  Okay. Sure…….I believe you. ????????

Political movements are not conspiracies. They are...Political movements with aims and goals which are publicly promoted at rallies and open mass meetings.

[2Amusing]

I was looking for scientific evidence to disprove the one about "Georgia Guidestones" stating no more than 500 million humans on Earth and 8 languages, and need assistance from readers here. Then I wanted to say that Mr Gates had been misunderstood when you search for videos about "depopulation thru vaccinations" such as seen here: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22depopulation+thru+vaccinations&t=ffab&atb=v278-1&iar=videos&iax=videos&ia=videos  But when I hear from the horse's mouth I begin having doubts about my sanity. So PLEASE readers, is all of what he says is true or you can explain what is REALLY going on. After all, he does have a photo with Dr. Faucet, and Faucet has not been charged nor arrested for murdering millions worldwide.

[ozimoron]

26 minutes ago, 2Amusing said:

I was looking for scientific evidence to disprove the one about "Georgia Guidestones" stating no more than 500 million humans on Earth and 8 languages, and need assistance from readers here. Then I wanted to say that Mr Gates had been misunderstood when you search for videos about "depopulation thru vaccinations" such as seen here: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22depopulation+thru+vaccinations&t=ffab&atb=v278-1&iar=videos&iax=videos&ia=videos  But when I hear from the horse's mouth I begin having doubts about my sanity. So PLEASE readers, is all of what he says is true or you can explain what is REALLY going on. After all, he does have a photo with Dr. Faucet, and Faucet has not been charged nor arrested for murdering millions worldwide.

I think someone has to actually commit the crime before they can be arrested for it.

[Fat is a type of crazy]

1 hour ago, gamb00ler said:

Inflation and fuel prices are not products of governmental policies.  Of the three you name only 1 is about policy.  If you claim otherwise state the exact policies that have increased inflation and fuel prices.

 

Looks like you got an F.

The strength of the economy affects inflation. Spending by government can have a big effect on the economy but also inflation and covid relief could have been a factor. Some say all the new spending could exacerbate the problem. Biden is arguing it's a short term issue primarily due to supply and hopefully he's right.  

When you are the United States too you can influence fuel suppliers at home and overseas  to increase supply. He can and did release some fuel reserves too to put less pressure on prices.

 

 

[The Hammer2021]

1 hour ago, 2Amusing said:

I was looking for scientific evidence to disprove the one about "Georgia Guidestones" stating no more than 500 million humans on Earth and 8 languages, and need assistance from readers here. Then I wanted to say that Mr Gates had been misunderstood when you search for videos about "depopulation thru vaccinations" such as seen here: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22depopulation+thru+vaccinations&t=ffab&atb=v278-1&iar=videos&iax=videos&ia=videos  But when I hear from the horse's mouth I begin having doubts about my sanity. So PLEASE readers, is all of what he says is true or you can explain what is REALLY going on. After all, he does have a photo with Dr. Faucet, and Faucet has not been charged nor arrested for murdering millions worldwide.

Nonsensical..

[The Hammer2021]

1 hour ago, 2Amusing said:

I was looking for scientific evidence to disprove the one about "Georgia Guidestones" stating no more than 500 million humans on Earth and 8 languages, and need assistance from readers here. Then I wanted to say that Mr Gates had been misunderstood when you search for videos about "depopulation thru vaccinations" such as seen here: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22depopulation+thru+vaccinations&t=ffab&atb=v278-1&iar=videos&iax=videos&ia=videos  But when I hear from the horse's mouth I begin having doubts about my sanity. So PLEASE readers, is all of what he says is true or you can explain what is REALLY going on. After all, he does have a photo with Dr. Faucet, and Faucet has not been charged nor arrested for murdering millions worldwide.

You appear to be wasting your time 'researching' nonesense.

[placeholder]

4 hours ago, Catoni said:

Conspiracy can and does involve secrecy often. But not always. 

Those accusing others of being “Conspiracy theory nutters” try to claim the word conspiracy is synonymous with the word lie. Which it’s not. 
    These people are implying that conspiracies are fables. Conspiracies do not exist. In reality, there is no such thing as conspiracies. 
   Often they are the same people who accused Donald Trump of a Russian collusion conspiracy. 
   Makes you wonder just who the REAL nutters are. 
 

1: the act of conspiring together.   “They were accused of conspiracy to commit murder.

2a: an agreement among conspirators …”We uncovered a conspiracy against the government”

b: a group of conspirators, such as a conspiracy made up of disgruntled aristocrats

 

Even those definitions of conspiracy that don't invoke secrecy, and they are always secondaty, specify that members of a conspiracy are working together. It's not enough to say that they share common goals, but rather that they are actively working together. Since the lunatic right regularly accuses all sort of disparate parties of working together, and since these parties deny it, of necessity that means that they are working in secret. 

[gamb00ler]

2 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said:

Taxation increase fuel prices. Environmental controls etc etc are all goverment policies.

Biden has done none of those that affect current oil prices.  Any change in access to drilling rights will take several years to impact prices.

[EVENKEEL]

3 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

Inflation and fuel prices are not products of governmental policies.  Of the three you name only 1 is about policy.  If you claim otherwise state the exact policies that have increased inflation and fuel prices.

 

Looks like you got an F.

Under the previous administration the US was exporting fuel, now joe is begging OPEC for more fuel. So sad.

[Virt]

Lot of people in this world that believe in all sorts of things and it's a huge money making industry.

 

One of the more fun ones are the group that claims all birds were killed and replaced by drones.

It started as a joke, but attracted a lot of people somehow.

 

The human mind are a fascinating thing

 

My own bookshelves are full of books i read many years ago that involves reincarnation, different religions, Angels, UFOs, pyramid powers, crystal energy, healing, Aliens, Tarot card reading, astrology, Aura reading, numerology, Edgar Cayce clairvoyance, earth rays, and tons of other stuff.

 

The older i get, the more i think we just end up in the ground and that's it.

The world are not so mysterious as we try to make it.

[placeholder]

51 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Under the previous administration the US was exporting fuel, now joe is begging OPEC for more fuel. So sad.

I did my own research

The U.S. exported slightly more petroleum than it imported in the first half of 2021

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=49596

Edited December 11, 2021 by placeholder

[ViajeroLA]

On 12/5/2021 at 6:09 PM, Jingthing said:

Actually they aren't equivalent sides at all!

If a Person A says Bill Gates in the devil's seed and wants to implant tracking chips in vaccines, any half way rational person knows that is total garbage!

 

I do believe that any person doing or not doing something without an own research is either driven by a passion or he/she's  a stupid one. And I am from South America while my family is from Eastern Europe, I was born in God damn USSR and know what socialism and the propaganda is <deleted>. Unlike the nowadays socialists LOL

 

Bill Gates may be is not the price of darkness (but why he wants to turn off the sun))). But is he a (medical) doctor? He's a hell of a marketer for sure.... that's all it takes to become a prodigy during a "pandemic", really??

[The Hammer2021]

5 hours ago, placeholder said:

 

Even those definitions of conspiracy that don't invoke secrecy, and they are always secondaty, specify that members of a conspiracy are working together. It's not enough to say that they share common goals, but rather that they are actively working together. Since the lunatic right regularly accuses all sort of disparate parties of working together, and since these parties deny it, of necessity that means that they are working in secret. 

The most famous conspiracy was the gun powder plot to blow up the houses of Parliament. The most famous conspiracy theory was the Kennedy assassination speculation.

[Jingthing]

Popping in for a moment now.

I've intentionally kept my distance on getting into the weeds on the reaction to my initial post where I already said pretty much what I wanted to say on the subject.

It's good to see that people have run with it and taken it in a myriad of questionably related directions, but that's of course predictable.

But I do want to respond to one thing anyway. The use of "do your own research" as a RED FLAG code word by believers in utter conspiracy theory misinformation is really NOT limited to the vaccine issue. It's used in many political contexts as well (such as the BIG LIE related to the last U.S. presidential election). The notorious Q cult is certainly not limited to vaccines, and that cult has now spread internationally.

 

There are facts.

There are opinions.

There are lies.

 

This is not an original thought but we are now in a place where large majorities of people can't agree on basic shared views of facts and reality. That can't be good for "civilization" and it's certainly not good for democracy.

Edited December 11, 2021 by Jingthing

[Khabib]

On 12/7/2021 at 11:00 AM, Jeffr2 said:

Your odds of dying from a heart attack are minuscule in comparison to your odds dying from the virus.  Or, ending up in the hospital and potentially suffering from long covid.   No comparison. 

 

I'm guessing you're getting this info about heart attacks from social media?  YouTube perhaps? LOL

Much more likely to die of heart attack than from covid for everybody.

[Khabib]

On 12/7/2021 at 11:20 AM, Jeffr2 said:

And you think Thailand reports all cases and deaths properly?  Seriously?

There is a similar thinking here. Thailand reports road deaths as people who die in the road. Anyone getting to hospital in time, didn't die in the road. I love their logic, provides many smiling moments.

[Khabib]

On 12/7/2021 at 12:16 PM, Phoenix Rising said:

About that:

 

Had Covid-19 already? SA warned natural immunity unlikely to protect against reinfection with Omicron

Or the jabs immunity either 555

[Khabib]

On 12/7/2021 at 1:15 PM, ozimoron said:

This is a great forum because it allows a wide range of views to be expressed which encourages interesting debate. However, the increasing prevalence of politically motivated members posting vaccine misinformation is making the forum toxic. It is becoming too time consuming and onerous to continually push back against this antisocial behaviour.

Antisocial? Yet you and your 2 internet buddies, without mentioning names, is a circle of a grand total of three! 

[Khabib]

My gut instinct tells me, we are back to square 1, with covid - vaccinated or not. So, it leaves me wishing all forum members a happy Christmas and new year, and if omicron is what I think it is, so it shall be. The disruption to our private lives due to all this, is a matter of great sadness to me, the sooner it ends, the better.

[gamb00ler]

21 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

Inflation and fuel prices are not products of governmental policies.  Of the three you name only 1 is about policy.  If you claim otherwise state the exact policies that have increased inflation and fuel prices

I apologize for not being more clear.  I meant to include the word "current" in front of "governmental policies".

 

I don't think that Biden's policies have had time to impact either inflation or fuel prices.  The worldwide rise in crude oil prices accounts for the entire movement in fuel prices.

 

[LosLobo]

1 hour ago, Khabib said:

Or the jabs immunity either 555

Have you any evidence beside "gut instinct" that a course of vaccine including a booster gives less protection against Omicron than natural immunity

[LosLobo]

1 hour ago, Khabib said:

Antisocial? Yet you and your 2 internet buddies, without mentioning names, is a circle of a grand total of three! 

Maybe not a gut problem as you are showing symptoms of dyscalculia.