snoop1130 Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 The Human Rights Lawyers Association (HRLA) and Nitihub, an open forum for public discussion of issues of public interest, have threatened to seek redress from the Central Administrative Court if the Thai Bar Association does not respond to their petition for a change to its dress code, which currently forbids female lawyers from wearing trousers in court. The HRLA said in its petition, addressed to the Thai Bar Association president, that it has received complaints from a number of female lawyers, claiming that they have been admonished by judges for not dressing properly when they wore trousers in court, adding that they were occasionally taunted by opposing male council for breaking lawyer’s rules of etiquette regarding the dress code. The HRLA also said that it has previously submitted an open letter to both the president of the Supreme Court and the Lawyers Council Under the Royal Patronage to issue dress guidelines which do not bar female lawyers from wearing trousers in court. Full Story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/thai-female-lawyers-fight-for-right-to-wear-trousers-in-court/ -- © Copyright Thai PBS 2021-12-09 - Whatever you're going through, the Samaritans are here for you - Follow ASEAN NOW on LINE for breaking COVID-19 updates 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post spidermike007 Posted December 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 9, 2021 How about a petition asking the men to wear dresses in court? This is 2021. Tradition is one thing. Onstinance, backward thinking and extreme conservatism are not appealing or useful qualities. 10 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nojohndoe Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 If the dispensation of justice becomes a retrograde dispute over the dress code of legal representatives then perhaps naked should be adopted as a leveling standard? Arguing a point of law in public while naked would surely determine the genuosity of presentation ! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nojohndoe Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, ikke1959 said: In a very traditional society as here in Thailand it is not done for women to wear trousers, nor in court, nor at the Government offices, nor at any other business.... Women wear skirts and blouses, and high heels men wear trousers.... So the Constitutional Court don't need to be asked about it... Women are for reproducing only and have to dress like that.. Is your comment serious or ? Historical garments of Thai women have examples that while not can be called "trousers" as is the Western description are equivalent to . Replace "trousers" with "pants" and see what you get ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nojohndoe Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 14 minutes ago, ikke1959 said: In a very traditional society as here in Thailand it is not done for women to wear trousers, nor in court, nor at the Government offices, nor at any other business.... Women wear skirts and blouses, and high heels men wear trousers.... So the Constitutional Court don't need to be asked about it... Women are for reproducing only and have to dress like that.. So Thai women should mandatorily hang their mammary units out to indicate a potential capacity to nurture offspring? Ideally never in business or Government offices at all ? Perhaps secluded in incubated facilities to pump out progeny like mindless chickens? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A1Str8 Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 There's no such thing as forbidden. Show up in court in pants. That's all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bluespunk Posted December 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 9, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, snoop1130 said: The HRLA also said that it has previously submitted an open letter to both the president of the Supreme Court and the Lawyers Council Under the Royal Patronage to issue dress guidelines which do not bar female lawyers from wearing trousers in court Fair enough request I’d say. Edited December 9, 2021 by Bluespunk 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worldexpress Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 4 hours ago, A1Str8 said: There's no such thing as forbidden. Show up in court in pants. That's all. It's not that simple. This is bigger than just pants. Pants are more symbolism for women wanting more even playing field in this male dominated society. It may not be forbidden by written rules but every society has understood social norms you're bound by; especially in a profession like law where traditions just don't budge. So your lady lawyer shows up in court in pants, following your advice. Upsets the older male judges with traditional mindset. How do you think your case will fare? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A1Str8 Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, worldexpress said: It's not that simple. This is bigger than just pants. Pants are more symbolism for women wanting more even playing field in this male dominated society. It may not be forbidden by written rules but every society has understood social norms you're bound by; especially in a profession like law where traditions just don't budge. So your lady lawyer shows up in court in pants, following your advice. Upsets the older male judges with traditional mindset. How do you think your case will fare? It's actually that simple. I remember for example there was this woman in another country some time ago facing the same issue. She kept going to court wearing pants till they changed the law. Because of her it's been allowed ever since. Edited December 9, 2021 by A1Str8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sirineou Posted December 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 9, 2021 The more I learn about Thai society the less impressed I am. Which is very hard to be since I was never very impressed. 5 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gandtee Posted December 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 10, 2021 11 hours ago, spidermike007 said: How about a petition asking the men to wear dresses in court? This is 2021. Tradition is one thing. Onstinance, backward thinking and extreme conservatism are not appealing or useful qualities. The men already wear frocks in court. OK, gowns. Much the same. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seedy Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 (edited) I don't know where other posters are from, but when I was young, and you saw a man in a dress and a wig, ... Court should get with the program. Here, there, everywhere. They still wear those idiotic wigs in UK and Canada too - total Bool Chit Edited December 10, 2021 by seedy 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jacko45k Posted December 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, seedy said: I don't know where other posters are from, but when I was young, and you saw a man in a dress and a wig, ... Court should get with the program. Here, there, everywhere. They still wear those idiotic wigs in UK and Canada too - total Bool Chit Just behave yourself and you will never need to witness it, except in TV dramas. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gsxrnz Posted December 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 10, 2021 (edited) The 12 "state fashion/customs" edicts issued in the early 1940's designed to modernize the then Siam specifically note in Mandate 10 what appropriate Thai dress should be: "Thai people should not appear at public gatherings, in public places, or in city limits without being appropriately dressed. Inappropriate dress includes wearing only underpants, wearing no shirt, or wearing a wraparound cloth Uniforms, as position and opportunity permits; Polite international-style attire; Polite traditional attire" The government even published the attached poster (which I trust the moderators will regard as being of appropriate historical significance) to encourage the appropriate dress style. Inappropriate dress on the left, appropriate dress on the right. Ever wonder why Thais don't carry things on their heads or have a fetish about uniforms - government mandate. Edited December 10, 2021 by Gsxrnz 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 12 hours ago, snoop1130 said: The HRLA said in its petition, addressed to the Thai Bar Association president, that it has received complaints from a number of female lawyers, claiming that they have been admonished by judges for not dressing properly when they wore trousers in court, adding that they were occasionally taunted by opposing male council for breaking lawyer’s rules of etiquette regarding the dress code. I bet they wear them at home so why not in the office. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gsxrnz Posted December 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 10, 2021 1 hour ago, jacko45k said: Just behave yourself and you will never need to witness it, except in TV dramas. Call me old fashioned or call me conservative, but if there is one thing that needs preserving in our ever progressive society, I humbly suggest that it be the justice system. In fact, to preserve the core of any society, the law should and must only be changed at the pace of a snail. If this conservatism extends to mode of dress as an exhibition of tradition and ethical roots, then so be it. I'd rather be sentenced for a crime by an elderly chap in traditional robes and a wig, than a 31 year old millennial wearing a T-shirt and jeans. Somehow I believe the wigged chappie may have given my case some deeper consideration and applied traditional thinking before making a rash progressive decision that jean wearing millennials in positions of authority are prone to do. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellohello123 Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Any chance this is her first step of her coming out of the closet? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bohemianfish Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 So no elephant pants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobodysfriend Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 13 hours ago, snoop1130 said: their petition for a change to its dress code, which currently forbids female lawyers from wearing trousers in court. Wearing skirts should be forbidden , too . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabas Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 (edited) Sounds like a solution looking for a problem. In a Thai court, men and women must wear the same long legal gown. They carry it everywhere they go and put it on right before the judge enters the chamber. My niece, who is a lawyer, spends a lot of time ironing her robe. If women really want advantage in court, they should petition to dress like this when approaching the bench. "Your honour, can we discuss this in your chamber..." Edited December 10, 2021 by rabas 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bangkok Barry Posted December 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 10, 2021 Just another example of Thailand, Land of Dinosaurs. Which is exactly how they promote tourism in some parts of the country, such as Issan. In my area there are signs over 100 kms from a 'dinosaur' park where, apparently, there is a footprint that may or may not be from a dinosaur. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gsxrnz Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 19 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said: Just another example of Thailand, Land of Dinosaurs. Which is exactly how they promote tourism in some parts of the country, such as Issan. In my area there are signs over 100 kms from a 'dinosaur' park where, apparently, there is a footprint that may or may not be from a dinosaur. Is that the one that's signposted as "Real Dinosaur Footprint". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveAustin Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Gsxrnz said: Call me old fashioned or call me conservative, but if there is one thing that needs preserving in our ever progressive society, I humbly suggest that it be the justice system. In fact, to preserve the core of any society, the law should and must only be changed at the pace of a snail. If this conservatism extends to mode of dress as an exhibition of tradition and ethical roots, then so be it. I'd rather be sentenced for a crime by an elderly chap in traditional robes and a wig, than a 31 year old millennial wearing a T-shirt and jeans. Somehow I believe the wigged chappie may have given my case some deeper consideration and applied traditional thinking before making a rash progressive decision that jean wearing millennials in positions of authority are prone to do. Hear, hear. They’ve stopped wearing dickie bows in snooker now, largely pushed through by the young uns. I’m all for change—they’ve got women refs in pants (can’t have skirts bending over tables)—but that’s going too far! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoreFarang Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 I think some traditions should not be changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterwhisper Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Well, as long as male barristers don't start complaining that they're not allowed to wear skirts in court... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropposurfer Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 OMG !!!!!! Its all gone down the drain well and truly now lol lol ???????????????? Trouser! Trouser they cry !!!! ???????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticFox Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Well hopefully if allowed men then will be able to wear skirts. ???? SJW arrives in Thailand. Sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkok Barry Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 59 minutes ago, Gsxrnz said: 1 hour ago, Bangkok Barry said: Just another example of Thailand, Land of Dinosaurs. Which is exactly how they promote tourism in some parts of the country, such as Issan. In my area there are signs over 100 kms from a 'dinosaur' park where, apparently, there is a footprint that may or may not be from a dinosaur. Is that the one that's signposted as "Real Dinosaur Footprint". Correct. I guess they have a photograph of the beast making it which they could sell you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poohy Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 15 hours ago, ikke1959 said: In a very traditional society as here in Thailand it is not done for women to wear trousers, nor in court, nor at the Government offices, nor at any other business.... Women wear skirts and blouses, and high heels men wear trousers... it is however rumored that some men here are indeed fond of wearing high heels and dresses 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthainess Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Rules set by men to give them eye candy at work, like so many other govt. agenises. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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