Omicron Spreads Fast Because It Is in Upper Respiratory Tract

[Mr Derek]

1 hour ago, Sheryl said:

 

 COVID-19 -- at least the severe form of it - is  in fact a vascular disease. It affects not just the lungs but also blood vessels throughout the body and there is a large autoimmune component to the severe form. Hence the value of steroids.

 

Initial hospital mortality rates were  much higher than they became precisely because it was originally, and wrongly,  assumed this was mainly a viral pneumonia and treated as such. A reasonable assumption at the time, but wrong. We now know much better.

 

Omicron seems to be a new entity in more ways than one and may prove to be virtually a different disease, perhaps even a form of common cold (corona virus variants of which already exist). But it is still early days to make any firm conclusions.

Sorry but I disagree. We have been able to draw conclusions about omicron since it was first reported. The evidence is now perfectly clear. It is mild. No one is dying from it directly any more than they might die from complications of the common cold. We should count ourselves lucky that omicron has appeared. There is no danger of health services 'collapsing' (amongst other scaremongering). Prolonging the caution is demonstrably more harmful. Enough.

[Saanim]

8 minutes ago, Mr Derek said:

Prolonging the caution is demonstrably more harmful.

However, in case the Omicron will take over from Delta (no more Delta), what will we be get scared with?

[ozimoron]

15 minutes ago, Saanim said:

However, in case the Omicron will take over from Delta (no more Delta), what will we be get scared with?

Whatever omicron mutates into.

[Saanim]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

Whatever omicron mutates into.

Perhaps in an immunity?

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, Saanim said:

Perhaps in an immunity?

Perhaps but likely not. Vaccines that survive are the ones which evade immunity. This is how we got omicron.

[orchidfan]

Don't forget SARS 1. 

I lived through it in Hong Kong circa 2003.

People dropped like flies....then it suddenly vanished!

No vaccine,  no nothing,  just gone !!

[Saanim]

 

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  7 hours ago, Daithi85 said:

Who says the ivermectin information was wrong? 

 

5 hours ago, MikeyIdea said:

Just panels of experienced virologists that publish their findings in medical journals and not on youtube. 

And when hundreds of scientists in medical journals have published their positive finding over many years - it was also wrong?

[Kinnock]

3 hours ago, Saanim said:

However, in case the Omicron will take over from Delta (no more Delta), what will we be get scared with?

Megatron

[sezze]

"spreads 70 times faster " .... does he also work for tourist department , adding a 0 more at the end is still the same ? In the Western world , specialists say it spreads 2-3 times faster , but in Thailand 70 times ...

Can't comment on being more on the upper area instead of lungs , besides that it does appear to be less dangerous .

[ChC1]

2 hours ago, orchidfan said:

So what is your PhD in?

He also has a Master's Degree in Science. 

I don't think he "spreads misinformation ", but merely presents global information,  with the relevant links. Most of which is quite informative and unbiased. 

I have a Master Degree in Science simply because I completed a Master course of business studies. And I have a title of M.Sc. afterwards, which is Master in Science.

 

Does that mean I am full of knowledge of actual medical science? No. So when I tell other people I have Master degree in Science, does that mean I am scientist? No. 

 

Dr. Campbell might have a lot of knowledge from his readings. It does not mean he choose his source wisely. Mistake happens, and one of the common behaviour of human is that we choose what we want to believe, rather than believe in what is true.  Dr. Campbell might have 200 doctoral degrees, but he can only tell what he believes from what he chose to believe. Even among virologists different opinions on Covid exists.  Real scientist won't join a debate if he/she had not investigated the subject first hand.   

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, sezze said:

"spreads 70 times faster " .... does he also work for tourist department , adding a 0 more at the end is still the same ? In the Western world , specialists say it spreads 2-3 times faster , but in Thailand 70 times ...

Can't comment on being more on the upper area instead of lungs , besides that it does appear to be less dangerous .

I think he's been misquoted or misinterpreted. The data I saw was that the virus spread 70 times faster in the URT and 30 times slower in the lower lungs. I don't believe that he actually said that transmission was 70 times more.

[Bkk Brian]

2 hours ago, Kadilo said:

At the end of the day his videos have proven to be generally well informed unlike a lot of the scare mongering uninformed posts we have seen on here every day from people with no qualifications apart from a Twitter account or a blog that needs promoting.  

Can you share some examples of people posting scare mongering tweets by unqualified people with the intention to promote themselves or blog?

 

Apparently you claim it happens daily so shouldn't be too hard to prove this right.............lets hope its not you that is the one making false claims. 

 

How much do you think John Campbell makes fom his youtube channel? 

 

Edited December 25, 2021 by Bkk Brian

[Stubby]

7 hours ago, MikeyIdea said:

Just panels of experienced virologists that publish their findings in medical journals and not on youtube. 

Umm… expert virologists and epidemiologists ARE all over YouTube. In fact, they're the only ones who the Google God doesn't cancel. The one thing this pandemic has shown is that the global authorities no longer tolerate intelligent debate.

[ozimoron]

5 minutes ago, Stubby said:

Umm… expert virologists and epidemiologists ARE all over YouTube. In fact, they're the only ones who the Google God doesn't cancel. The one thing this pandemic has shown is that the global authorities no longer tolerate intelligent debate.

Only on YouTube? If they were at all credible their submissions could be found elsewhere as well. YouTube is a notorious source of misinformation and conspiracy theories. Nobody show believe anybody who is only found on YouTube and/or opinion only websites..

[MrJ2U]

11 hours ago, JimHuaHin said:

Ditto.   Just shows how far behind the news Thailand is.

 

This is not the first time that Thai doctors or "experts" have come out with COVID-19 statements which were first reported in Western or other Asian news sources weeks before hand.

...and usually come out as breaking news.

 

Thais use social media to find out whats happening.

State controled hasn't got much to offer but accolades to the junta and 1000's elderly generals.

[poskat]

11 hours ago, tlcwaterfall said:

And will continue to keep happening as I suspect they have no original thoughts of their own.

They are afraid to say something first because they are most afraid of being wrong with the accommpanying loss of face.

 

Since most thais dont read western news, they think they are hearing breaking news on the topic by their thai experts

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, Stubby said:

Umm… expert virologists and epidemiologists ARE all over YouTube. In fact, they're the only ones who the Google God doesn't cancel. The one thing this pandemic has shown is that the global authorities no longer tolerate intelligent debate.

Of course that’s not true.

 

There is debate right now about the severity of Omicron. You are just not paying attention.

[Danderman123]

10 hours ago, Daithi85 said:

Who says the ivermectin information was wrong? 

Plenty of clinical trials showing ivermectin doesn’t work as an anti-viral.

Edited December 25, 2021 by Danderman123

[Danderman123]

8 hours ago, connda said:

More like a glorified sniffles as they just stated it doesn't effect the lungs.
Break out the salt-water and your Hashi nasal irrigator  (about 250 THB on Lazada).  Personally I add 1/2 teaspoon of 10% providone-iodine and Bob's your uncle.  What I find amazing is that run-of-the-mill colds are highly infectious but people don't run around like the sky is falling.  And I get the distinct feeling that as of about now, most will not be able to tell a run-of-the-mill cold from Omicrom  unless you take a test.  I wonder how many farang (most) would get the sniffles, take an ATK test which is positive, run to their hospitals, then get incarcerated for 14 day after which they are handed a 100,000+ THB bill for sitting in a bed with the runny nose?  Make me wonder.

It's past time to learn to live with this.  And if you get this mild form - then you'll have memory killer T and B cells that will be effective in combating infection for most of your life well after you antibody titer is gone.

Because we are still not sure about the lethality of Omicron.

[coolcarer]

2 hours ago, Stubby said:

Umm… expert virologists and epidemiologists ARE all over YouTube. In fact, they're the only ones who the Google God doesn't cancel. The one thing this pandemic has shown is that the global authorities no longer tolerate intelligent debate.

You’re not going to find many real expert virologists or epidemiologists with their own YouTube channel, they are far to busy with their work in this pandemic. Producing a channel is timing consuming and a full time job. it also creates a conflict of interest on the money to be made from youtube. 
 

If they appear on youtube it’s normally through a third party interview.

[metisdead]

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[Stubby]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

Of course that’s not true.

 

There is debate right now about the severity of Omicron. You are just not paying attention.

Wrong! It's not a debate; it's the same old names with the same old faces spouting the same old line. 
 

"We just haven't got enough data yet to know for sure..." nods everyone outside of SA, irrespective of what they might think. 

[Stubby]

7 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

You’re not going to find many real expert virologists or epidemiologists with their own YouTube channel, they are far to busy with their work in this pandemic. Producing a channel is timing consuming and a full time job. it also creates a conflict of interest on the money to be made from youtube. 
 

If they appear on youtube it’s normally through a third party interview.

Correctamundo! It's the regular news channels they've already appeared on posting... no... pushing.... what's already been aired. They're all over YouTube, so that the message doesn't get lost. But the poor sods who oppose these views (I'm talking about other experts, no some radom vlogger) get canceled for daring to disagree. I don't understand why no one can see what's been happening.

Look, if there are opposing views from equally qualified experts, we should be allowed to hear them on the same platforms. It's so wrong to block them from public media. How the heck is the layperson supposed to make well-informed decisions when they're only fed one-sided narratives. Geesh!

[coolcarer]

6 minutes ago, Stubby said:

Look, if there are opposing views from equally qualified experts, we should be allowed to hear them on the same platforms. It's so wrong to block them from public media. How the heck is the layperson supposed to make well-informed decisions when they're only fed one-sided narratives. Geesh!

What one sided narrative are you referring to? All media reported widely on the narrative expressed by Dr Angelique  Coetzee where she was saying it’s nothing to worry about. However is she right or wrong? That’s yet to be evidenced fully. All media has reported the findings of the studies carried out in South Africa.

 

The media has also reported on the studies of other countries such a UK and on WHO statements.

 

Do you really think there is a concerted effort to bury real studies coming out about Omicron? It’s highly transmissible, it may well be less severe but it may also overwhelm some countries putting the health service at risk, even if it does not they still need to plan for that. 
 

That’s as far as I know and as far as has been reported. What makes you think there is more deliberately being hidden by YouTube or any other media channel?

[DavisH]

7 hours ago, Mr Derek said:

Sorry but I disagree. We have been able to draw conclusions about omicron since it was first reported. The evidence is now perfectly clear. It is mild. No one is dying from it directly any more than they might die from complications of the common cold. We should count ourselves lucky that omicron has appeared. There is no danger of health services 'collapsing' (amongst other scaremongering). Prolonging the caution is demonstrably more harmful. Enough.

We can only draw conclusions about severity when we see further spread across the globe. I dont think we can draw conclusion from South Africa, as their population has largely been exposed to the virus already (and vastly under reported, at that) and many of the vulnerable have already perished. In contrast, most Australians have not been exposed to the virus, so we will see how the death rate goes there over the next month or so. 

If it turns out that the death rate is less than that caused by  (historic) annual flu, then countries should really open up. 

[Virt]

7 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Whatever omicron mutates into.

The crazy amount of mutations in the variant omicron (i think it's 50 mutations in the almost 30000 letters long RNA sequence) could be a problem for it's ability to mutate into something we should fear, some experts claim.

 

Maybe the virus painted itself into a corner and now has nowhere to go?

 

Let's do a follow-up in a year.

 

This darn virus has surprised the experts before, so i will believe it when I see it, and we still have other variants on the lose for now.

 

Plus one of the theories how omicron mutated, is that it mutated numerous times in the same patient over a long period of time.

 

How do we know there are not other persons on the planet going through that exact same thing now?

[Stubby]

2 hours ago, coolcarer said:

What one sided narrative are you referring to? All media reported widely on the narrative expressed by Dr Angelique  Coetzee where she was saying it’s nothing to worry about. However is she right or wrong? That’s yet to be evidenced fully. All media has reported the findings of the studies carried out in South Africa.

 

The media has also reported on the studies of other countries such a UK and on WHO statements.

 

Do you really think there is a concerted effort to bury real studies coming out about Omicron? It’s highly transmissible, it may well be less severe but it may also overwhelm some countries putting the health service at risk, even if it does not they still need to plan for that. 
 

That’s as far as I know and as far as has been reported. What makes you think there is more deliberately being hidden by YouTube or any other media channel?

I give up!

[Kadilo]

10 minutes ago, Stubby said:

I give up!

Don’t worry too much. It’s pretty obvious where you are coming from for anyone who is capable of thinking for themselves. 

[Cherrytreeview]

Yip. The poster who thinks for themselves but ignores science.

That's the way to go.

Take your guide from the people who have got every prediction wrong since the start of the pandemic.

Ignore the data/facts/qualified scientists/statisticians/mathematicians but be comforted that your stab in the dark is better than the people who developed multiple life saving vaccines and therapies during the pandemic.

You know the TVF epidemiologist know nothings are trumps.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[MikeyIdea]

12 hours ago, Stubby said:

Umm… expert virologists and epidemiologists ARE all over YouTube. In fact, they're the only ones who the Google God doesn't cancel. The one thing this pandemic has shown is that the global authorities no longer tolerate intelligent debate.

Ony by one, yes. And that is exactly what we cannot trust. There is no peer reviewed material published there.