Nine Omicron BA.2 sub-variant cases in Thailand to date, first case found on January 2

[Albert Zweistein]

19 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Then pay no attention and stop reading the posts if that's how you truly feel.

I've started ignoring 50 % already.

[Albert Zweistein]

15 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Unless backed up with a link to a credible source, ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have my doubt sometimes about the sources AN is using and makes me feel like they are sponsored by the government.

[Albert Zweistein]

15 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

But credible organizations like this exist in every modern country.  Again, easy to find credible data.  Sadly, many fall for the fake news on social media or dodgy websites.

Would you call AN a dodgy website ? Just asking.

[Jeffr2]

5 hours ago, Albert Zweistein said:

Would you call AN a dodgy website ? Just asking.

What is AN?  But sad you feel quoting highly reputable medical journals indicates being paid by the government.  Bizarre.

[EVENKEEL]

On 1/26/2022 at 5:22 AM, Jeffr2 said:

Thousands of flights canceled. Serious disruptions to supply chains. Hospitals full. Right. Just mild....bs

https://www.the-sun.com/news/3326001/us-airlines-delay-cancel-flights-bad-weather-pilot-shortages/#:~:text=While industry experts have said that the majority,have come as a result of this tactic.

 

Pilots and truck drivers are in short supply, I'm just so sad that you continue the scare mongering. So sad.

[Jeffr2]

5 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

https://www.the-sun.com/news/3326001/us-airlines-delay-cancel-flights-bad-weather-pilot-shortages/#:~:text=While industry experts have said that the majority,have come as a result of this tactic.

 

Pilots and truck drivers are in short supply, I'm just so sad that you continue the scare mongering. So sad.

The Sun?  Hardly a source for credible news.  So sad you gravitate to such sites.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-27/thousands-of-flights-cancelled-due-to-omicron-spread/100726466
 

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Travel headaches abound for millions worldwide with 2,200 flights cancelled on Sunday alone, tracking websites reported, after a Christmas weekend battered by the highly transmissible Omicron variant of COVID-19.

 

Lufthansa, Delta, United Airlines, JetBlue, British Airways, Alaska Airlines and several others were forced to cancel flights due to aircrew and ground staff falling sick or going into isolation.

 

With the surge in infections, airlines have been forced to cancel flights with pilots and cabin crew needing to isolate.

 

 

[EVENKEEL]

6 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

The Sun?  Hardly a source for credible news.  So sad you gravitate to such sites.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-27/thousands-of-flights-cancelled-due-to-omicron-spread/100726466
 

 

I'm so sad that you discredit any news source that you don't like. So sad.

[Credo]

2 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I'm so sad that you discredit any news source that you don't like. So sad.

July of 2021..... can't you find something a little more recent and relevant?

[Jeffr2]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

I'm so sad that you discredit any news source that you don't like. So sad.

It's not just me.  It's widely known.  But you also like conspiracy sites like the Washington Examiner.  Which luckily, isn't allowed here.

 

I read credible sites only.  The Sun isn't credible. Ya fall for these sites every time.

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-us-sun-bias/

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Overall, we rate The US Sun Right Biased based on story selection and editorial bias that favors the right. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to overly sensationalized headlines, failed fact checks, and the promotion of misinformation.

 

[Rimmer]

Some off topic bickering has been removed

[Albert Zweistein]

19 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

What is AN?  But sad you feel quoting highly reputable medical journals indicates being paid by the government.  Bizarre.

AN = Aseannow and I am not talking about "highly reputable medical journals " but about the ones that are not "highly reputable".

[Jeffr2]

5 hours ago, Albert Zweistein said:

AN = Aseannow and I am not talking about "highly reputable medical journals " but about the ones that are not "highly reputable".

The mods doe a great job of keeping out links to dodgy media outlets, and misinformation from members.  The most credible members here backup their opinions with links to credible reports, mainly from "highly reputable medical journals" and such.

 

Most of us avoid the ones that are not "highly reputable".  Sadly, some seem to gravitate towards them.  Not sure why.  Though a lot has to do with political leaning.

[EVENKEEL]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-26/denmark-to-end-covid-curbs-as-premier-deems-critical-phase-over

 

The Danes are moving on. 

[Jeffr2]

5 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-26/denmark-to-end-covid-curbs-as-premier-deems-critical-phase-over

 

The Danes are moving on. 

Was with my friend from Denmark last night.  She got Delta there just after NYE.  Had a check up a few days ago and her lungs are scarred.  Not sure how long it's going to take to heal.  She wasn't super sick, but still struggling weeks later.

 

Denmark ended curbs before.  Not sure what's so important about this?  Especially as this thread is about the new BA2 sub variant???

[Jeffr2]

20 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-26/denmark-to-end-covid-curbs-as-premier-deems-critical-phase-over

 

The Danes are moving on. 

Perhaps with regards to the rules, but definitely no with regards to the virus. It's still raging.

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/denmark/

[Bkk Brian]

The UK health security agency has just published a weekly update on the BA.2 variant.

 

Confirming what we already know really. That it is more transmissible but no evidence of it being more virulent, not enough data to assess that anyway yet. They say its likely to become the dominant strain next month although unclear on how this will manifest on number of cases as the immunity level is very high in the UK.

 

The ICU position is interesting given the very small number of delta cases still around, a third of ICU admissions are still delta. ICU beds on the 27th Jan were just 549 so a third of them will have been delta and the remaining Omicron.

 

The twitter thread on the more important bullet points is here by one of the @UKHSA Epidemiologist's it contains the links to the relevant reports.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[EVENKEEL]

1 hour ago, Jeffr2 said:

Perhaps with regards to the rules, but definitely no with regards to the virus. It's still raging.

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/denmark/

Denmark is trying to move forward. Time will tell if it's the right move. With new variants popping up, keeping strict mandates is unsustainable. Canadian truckers are staging their protests.

[Jeffr2]

43 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Denmark is trying to move forward. Time will tell if it's the right move. With new variants popping up, keeping strict mandates is unsustainable. Canadian truckers are staging their protests.

Per my friend last night, it's mainly political.  Which has been one of the problems all along.  Politics taking over for sound science.

 

People are protesting all over the world.  Most are not the sharpest knives in the drawer.  Like truckers. LOL

[EVENKEEL]

1 hour ago, Jeffr2 said:

Per my friend last night, it's mainly political.  Which has been one of the problems all along.  Politics taking over for sound science.

 

People are protesting all over the world.  Most are not the sharpest knives in the drawer.  Like truckers. LOL

Guess I shouldn't be surprised about your condescending view of folks who work hard. Are they not allowed a voice to be heard?

 

Who do you think pays these scientists? Of course it's political what the scientists come up with. Only an extremely naïve person would believe the agencies who provide funding for scientists would have no say in findings. 

[Jeffr2]

1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

Guess I shouldn't be surprised about your condescending view of folks who work hard. Are they not allowed a voice to be heard?

 

Who do you think pays these scientists? Of course it's political what the scientists come up with. Only an extremely naïve person would believe the agencies who provide funding for scientists would have no say in findings. 

Nothing against those who work hard.  Just against those who disagree with the science and fall for the propaganda or misinformation on the internet.  Ring a bell? LOL

 

Ummm....many scientists are paid by private companies.  Or, funded via private donations.  Only an extremely naive person would think the US followed the highly respected Fauci instead of the lunatic president.  The later being the one who set all the policies.

[EVENKEEL]

17 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Nothing against those who work hard.  Just against those who disagree with the science and fall for the propaganda or misinformation on the internet.  Ring a bell? LOL

 

Ummm....many scientists are paid by private companies.  Or, funded via private donations.  Only an extremely naive person would think the US followed the highly respected Fauci instead of the lunatic president.  The later being the one who set all the policies.

You can't backtrack your snobbish view of people. You said "People are protesting all over the world.  Most are not the sharpest knives in the drawer.  Like truckers. LOL"

 

Only a naïve person would think the science we follow is all paid for by private donations  

https://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/who_pays#:~:text=Who pays for science%3F Today%2C we all do.,Foundation%2C the David and Lucile Packard Foundation%2C etc.).

[Jeffr2]

10 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

You can't backtrack your snobbish view of people. You said "People are protesting all over the world.  Most are not the sharpest knives in the drawer.  Like truckers. LOL"

 

Only a naïve person would think the science we follow is all paid for by private donations  

https://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/who_pays#:~:text=Who pays for science%3F Today%2C we all do.,Foundation%2C the David and Lucile Packard Foundation%2C etc.).

Talk about naive.  Gates foundation is the 2nd largest donor to the WHO.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_%26_Melinda_Gates_Foundation

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Based in Seattle, Washington, it was launched in 2000 and is reported as of 2020 to be the second largest charitable foundation in the world,^[6][7] holding $49.8 billion in assets.^[4] The primary stated goals of the foundation are to enhance healthcare and reduce extreme poverty across the world, and to expand educational opportunities and access to information technology in the U.S. Key individuals of the foundation include Bill Gates, Melinda French Gates, Warren Buffett, chief executive officer Mark Suzman,^[8] and Michael Larson.^[9]

https://qz.com/2102889/the-who-is-too-dependent-on-gates-foundation-donations/

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The Gates Foundation is the second-largest contributor to the WHO. As of September 2021, it had invested investing nearly $780 million in its programs this year.

 

[spidermike007]

Great news. Each subsequent variant is likely to be weaker. The end of Covid is near, so stop the panic, the fear, the churlish behavior, the travel restrictions, and let's put the people back to work. 

 

If that is the objective. 

[Jeffr2]

14 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

You can't backtrack your snobbish view of people. You said "People are protesting all over the world.  Most are not the sharpest knives in the drawer.  Like truckers. LOL"

 

Only a naïve person would think the science we follow is all paid for by private donations  

https://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/who_pays#:~:text=Who pays for science%3F Today%2C we all do.,Foundation%2C the David and Lucile Packard Foundation%2C etc.).

https://www.gatesfoundation.org/ideas/media-center/press-releases/2003/01/grand-challenges-in-global-health
 

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The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation today announced a $200 million grant to establish the Grand Challenges in Global Health initiative, a major new effort and partnership with the National Institutes of Health (NIH).

 

What's needed now is new funding to support scientists to articulate and prioritize great scientific challenges, and encourage novel research approaches. It is our hope that this will spur a new field of endeavor called global health science."

 

 

[Jeffr2]

Just now, spidermike007 said:

Great news. Each subsequent variant is likely to be weaker. The end of Covid is near, so stop the panic, the fear, the churlish behavior, the travel restrictions, and let's put the people back to work. 

 

If that is the objective. 

From what I've read, there is a real possibility of a really nasty variant cropping up.  A good portion of the world is unvaccinated and perfect breeding grounds for new nasties.  Nobody knows, but it's a possibility.  Sadly!!!

 

The only thing we can do is keep up the jabs.  Right now, it's our best way out of this mess.

[spidermike007]

59 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

From what I've read, there is a real possibility of a really nasty variant cropping up.  A good portion of the world is unvaccinated and perfect breeding grounds for new nasties.  Nobody knows, but it's a possibility.  Sadly!!!

 

The only thing we can do is keep up the jabs.  Right now, it's our best way out of this mess.

Agree about the jobs. But historically, and scientifically, variants tend to get weaker as a pandemic progresses, so we might as well embrace hope over fear. The weak Omi may have been the break we needed. 

 

However fear not only sells, it seems to be the preferred state of mind by many, at this point. Especially this administration. 

[jacko45k]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

Great news. Each subsequent variant is likely to be weaker. The end of Covid is near, so stop the panic, the fear, the churlish behavior, the travel restrictions, and let's put the people back to work. 

 

If that is the objective. 

Well not sure that is a 100% certainty, but it is likely that a strain that is very contagious, and creates an infection that will produce antibodies etc that work with more virulent strains will displace the latter. 

I don't know why you think the objective is not to get back to work... it is... but politicians do not act fast and efficiently.....ever. Let us hope there is no sting in the tail with omicron (B.02). 

[248900_1469958220]

On 1/30/2022 at 12:12 PM, Jeffr2 said:

From what I've read, there is a real possibility of a really nasty variant cropping up.  A good portion of the world is unvaccinated and perfect breeding grounds for new nasties.  Nobody knows, but it's a possibility.  Sadly!!!

 

The only thing we can do is keep up the jabs.  Right now, it's our best way out of this mess.

There is another possibility....it becomes more transmissible and less virulent. This is what seems to be happening. 

 

Lets hope, if there is a more virulent disease in future, that govts have not burned their bridges with the overreaction to Covid 19. Lets say there is a disease that can kill 10% of infected instead of one that 99.7% or more survive. With all the media spin surrounding this pandemic it may be hard to get people to sit up and notice.  

 

 

 

 

 

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[Jeffr2]

39 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Agree about the jobs. But historically, and scientifically, variants tend to get weaker as a pandemic progresses, so we might as well embrace hope over fear. The weak Omi may have been the break we needed. 

 

However fear not only sells, it seems to be the preferred state of mind by many, at this point. Especially this administration. 

I was a financial planner for a long time.  Mainly at the corporate level.  Always did 3 forecasts.  The good, the bad, the likely.  Best way to plan, IMHO.  Be prepared! LOL

 

This admin is run by a bunch of military and hi so's with zip experience.  They've gone overboard a bit, but so have many other countries.  No easy answers with this virus.

[Jeffr2]

3 minutes ago, 248900_1469958220 said:

I bet your wetting your pants over the possibility...There is another possibility....it becomes more transmissible and less virulent. This is what seems to be happening. 

 

Lets hope, if there is a more virulent disease in future, that govts have not burned their bridges with the overreaction to Covid 19. Lets say there is a disease that can kill 10% of infected instead of one that 99.7% or more survive. With all the media spin surrounding this pandemic it may be hard to get people to sit up and notice. 

What?  Bizarre statement.  I'm planning they become less dangerous.  But prepared if they don't.  Best way to live your life, being prepared.

 

That 99.7% stat is one used mainly by covid deniers and anti vaxxers.