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[webfact]

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Alcohol was blamed yet again as a contributing factor in the horrific and senseless murder of a Koh Samui engineer who had just returned home to Hat Yai in the south of Thailand. 

 

Tanked up on countless beers an assailant ruthlessly shot Krittana, 42, in the shoulder then took out a knife and stabbed him repeatedly in the chest before feeling the Khuan Lang area on a motorcycle. 

 

Cops and forensics at the scene found the victim dressed in a red and white sports top and khaki shorts. Locals soon told them that the assailant was 41 year old Orachai who lived 100 meters away.

 

He soon returned home on his motorcycle and was arested after neighbors yelled to police.

 

He was very drunk and admitted consuming many beers. A 9 mm gun and a short knife were taken into evidence, reported Thai Rath.

 

He said that the dead man had asked his wife for her phone number. He added that he always carried his gun with him. 

 

The victim had just come home from his job and was retrieving his Thai ID.

 

Neighbors said that he had nothing to do with the assailant and they had never had a problem before.

 

Witnesses saw the assailant confront the victim then shoot and stab him.

 

Police took Orachai into custody as investigations continue. 

 

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[jvs]

Yes another idiot who feels he needs  a gun to protect him from?

"Idiots like himself"

Yes and another alcohol fueled act of aggression,his mom will say "My son is a good

boy but some one made him angry"

Time to start looking in the mirror Thailand.

No matter what the problem is,traffic ,garbage or anything else,changes start by looking at the

man in the mirror.

[robblok]

Alcohol, the not so innocent drug.

 

Yes alcohol and guns a great combination. Guns make it easier to kill, alcohol removes inhibitions. 

 

That is scarey.

[ezzra]

Most people before leaving home take car keys wallet and phone, others don't leave home without a gun and knife just to be sure to be sure...

[BobBKK]

Deserves to hang

[robblok]

1 hour ago, ezzra said:

Most people before leaving home take car keys wallet and phone, others don't leave home without a gun and knife just to be sure to be sure...

Guns and knives are bad, but its the alcohol that fueled it. Hard to acknowledge that ?

[mancub]

3 hours ago, ezzra said:

Most people before leaving home take car keys wallet and phone, others don't leave home without a gun and knife just to be sure to be sure...

Or to be doubly sure !????

[mancub]

2 hours ago, robblok said:

Guns and knives are bad, but its the alcohol that fueled it. Hard to acknowledge that ?

That and a degree of mental instability or course.

[steven100]

3 hours ago, robblok said:

Alcohol, the not so innocent drug.

 

Yes alcohol and guns a great combination. Guns make it easier to kill, alcohol removes inhibitions. 

 

That is scarey.

it's not the alcohol that did the killing .... it was the gun & knife.   I've heard of plenty of drug crazed killers too,  that's for sure.

[jvs]

33 minutes ago, steven100 said:

it's not the alcohol that did the killing .... it was the gun & knife. 

Yes of course but without the gun and the knife it would have been more difficult.

Some people who carry a gun are not going to walk away from trouble,if you know what i mean.

[robblok]

42 minutes ago, steven100 said:

it's not the alcohol that did the killing .... it was the gun & knife.   I've heard of plenty of drug crazed killers too,  that's for sure.

Yes of course there are plenty of drug crazed killers Steven and when you see that you blame the drug not the gun and now you blame the gun. 

 

In this case its just a combination of the two. Take one of the two out of the combination and it would probably not have happened. So both are responsible. 

 

But is it so hard for you to admit that alcohol is dangerous and damaging just like drugs. I think you have totally skewered view of drugs as alcohol is a drug and just like other drugs the majority of users don't do stupid things when they use them.

 

The majority of users of weed and other drugs just like the majority of alcohol users are ok and can use their substance without any problems. That is my point actually why so against other drugs while alcohol does the same thing yet you never say a bad word about it. 

 

Its just that you seem to think that drugs make someone bad, they don't its just some users same like with alcohol. I don't make the distinction i accept that all drugs have their bad users. You got alcoholics that beat up their wives and you got meth users that do the same thing. Yet when its alcohol nothing is said about it and when its yabaa its the evil drug. 

 

Point being that both cause a lot of damage BUT the majority of users will never cause any trouble and use it to relax and enjoy. That is why my view is use the drug you want as long as you don't bother others or endanger others.

 

Drugs (alcohol and others) combined with weapons is really dangerous. 

[robblok]

59 minutes ago, mancub said:

That and a degree of mental instability or course.

That is for sure as the majority of drug and alcohol users will not do these things. Certain idiots cause the problem they should not use any kind of drug or alcohol. Though maybe they would have done the same thing without any extra influence.. or perhaps not. Adding drugs / alcohol to mental instable people or people with low inhibition control is asking for trouble. 

[steven100]

4 minutes ago, robblok said:

Its just that you seem to think that drugs make someone bad

yes ..... you are somewhat correct,  as I was always taught from a kid that drugs are wrong and that drug pushers, addicts and general drug takers should be avoided.  As I've mentioned before,  they were generally frowned upon in society. 

And I have to say i'm glad for my elders and adults that taught me that way,   everyone knows right from wrong and taking drugs is wrong,  having a drink of beer is not.  

 

but each to his own .....   

[robblok]

7 minutes ago, steven100 said:

yes ..... you are somewhat correct,  as I was always taught from a kid that drugs are wrong and that drug pushers, addicts and general drug takers should be avoided.  As I've mentioned before,  they were generally frowned upon in society. 

And I have to say i'm glad for my elders and adults that taught me that way,   everyone knows right from wrong and taking drugs is wrong,  having a drink of beer is not.  

 

but each to his own .....   

Steven, and there your wrong as canabis for instance is far less bad then alcohol. 

 

You base your idea's on social acceptance, i base them on scientific evidence of damage done.

 

Your right that drugs were frowned upon but finally the world is understanding that cannabis should for instance be decriminalized and most countries are doing this.  Its totally crazy to think that one drug alcohol is good while other drugs are bad. 

 

But yes I get it its how you were brought up, i was brought up like that too until, i learned to think for myself and read some scientific research. Alcohol is a drug and a bad one at that. Just that its accepted does not make that any different. Its just socially accepted.

 

People brag on how much they can drink while if someone who smokes pot does that its looked down upon. Strange what social acceptance does. For me only the end result counts and that is measuring the damage done by the drug. Alcohol by far is worse then cannabis (backed up by science)

 

At one time alcohol in the US was banned, we all know how that worked out (just made crime lords rich) same goes for other drugs.

[hotchilli]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

He said that the dead man had asked his wife for her phone number. He added that he always carried his gun with him.

Not any more.

[Burma Bill]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

before feeling the Khuan Lang area on a motorcycle. 

With respect, where is the Khuan Lang area on a motorcycle which one can feel???

[Mr Meeseeks]

2 hours ago, mancub said:

That and a degree of mental instability or course.

In plentiful abundance here.

[mancub]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

That is for sure as the majority of drug and alcohol users will not do these things. Certain idiots cause the problem they should not use any kind of drug or alcohol. Though maybe they would have done the same thing without any extra influence.. or perhaps not. Adding drugs / alcohol to mental instable people or people with low inhibition control is asking for trouble. 

I believe much stems for an individual's character and upbringing. Alcohol certainly accentuates natural attributes and tendencies and loosens inhibitions. Hence someone who possesses a confrontational or aggressive nature is likely to display a more violent side when drunk.

We most certainly engaged in some crazy, foolhardy ( sometimes anti-social) stunts in our youthful drunken states, but never physically hurt anyone, nor destroyed property etc . This was due to an overriding sense of  morality taught from an early age.

 

[EricTh]

I thought holding guns is illegal for ordinary Thai? Only the police and military are allowed to hold guns.

[robblok]

2 hours ago, mancub said:

I believe much stems for an individual's character and upbringing. Alcohol certainly accentuates natural attributes and tendencies and loosens inhibitions. Hence someone who possesses a confrontational or aggressive nature is likely to display a more violent side when drunk.

We most certainly engaged in some crazy, foolhardy ( sometimes anti-social) stunts in our youthful drunken states, but never physically hurt anyone, nor destroyed property etc . This was due to an overriding sense of  morality taught from an early age.

 

I think your right, i would never ever get agressive. Its rare for me to get violent or physical. So far just got in 1 or 2 fights during my whole life. from 16 upwards.

 

Its like this if your an <deleted> without alcohol / drugs then your a bigger <deleted> with them. Some people can hide that they are an <deleted> but the alcohol / drugs remove inhibitions and it comes out then.

 

Most nice people wont get bad (just stupid / brave / whatever) when they do drugs take alcohol. 

 

Most problems are from using your preferred drug and then operating a vehicle (should be punished really harsh)

[pacovl46]

3 hours ago, steven100 said:

it's not the alcohol that did the killing .... it was the gun & knife.   I've heard of plenty of drug crazed killers too,  that's for sure.

Mate, guns and knives are inanimate object. I’ve never seen a gun or a knife on its own out and about killing people!

 

The guy did the killing and the alcohol certainly didn’t help and that’s that.

[vandeventer]

4 hours ago, jvs said:

Yes of course but without the gun and the knife it would have been more difficult.

Some people who carry a gun are not going to walk away from trouble,if you know what i mean.

Or he could have just given him he's wife's phone number. Sorry guys, that's why I'm not married anymore. 

[metisdead]

A troll post has been removed. 

[billd766]

2 hours ago, EricTh said:

I thought holding guns is illegal for ordinary Thai? Only the police and military are allowed to hold guns.

AFAIK it is legal to own a gun in Thailand, but.....

 

https://www.dw.com/en/a-look-at-thailands-fervent-gun-culture/a-19060721

 

wning a firearm in the Southeast Asian country has been legal since 1947. However, only licensed gun owners may lawfully acquire, possess or transfer a firearm or ammunition. And the Act Controlling Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives, Fireworks and Imitation of Firearms only allows for people to obtain licenses to own guns for purposes of self-defense, protection of property, sports or hunting. Applicants must be at least 20 years old and pass background checks which consider the applicants' personal conduct, living conditions as well as their income and criminal records.

Licenses, which cost 1,000 Baht ($28) per person, are also needed for owning firearms as keepsakes. As for the actual price of a gun, experts say that it costs about $600 to purchase a firearm. "That's a hefty, but not an insurmountable sum for the average Thai," John J. Brandon, the senior director of The Asia Foundation's Regional Cooperation programs, told DW.

 

There is a lot more on the website.

[KhunLA]

4 minutes ago, billd766 said:

AFAIK it is legal to own a gun in Thailand, but.....

 

https://www.dw.com/en/a-look-at-thailands-fervent-gun-culture/a-19060721

 

wning a firearm in the Southeast Asian country has been legal since 1947. However, only licensed gun owners may lawfully acquire, possess or transfer a firearm or ammunition. And the Act Controlling Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives, Fireworks and Imitation of Firearms only allows for people to obtain licenses to own guns for purposes of self-defense, protection of property, sports or hunting. Applicants must be at least 20 years old and pass background checks which consider the applicants' personal conduct, living conditions as well as their income and criminal records.

Licenses, which cost 1,000 Baht ($28) per person, are also needed for owning firearms as keepsakes. As for the actual price of a gun, experts say that it costs about $600 to purchase a firearm. "That's a hefty, but not an insurmountable sum for the average Thai," John J. Brandon, the senior director of The Asia Foundation's Regional Cooperation programs, told DW.

 

There is a lot more on the website.

And yet ...

 

... "About one in ten people in Thailand legally own a gun. There are more than six million registered guns in a country with a population of 66.7 million."

[steven100]

3 hours ago, pacovl46 said:

Mate, guns and knives are inanimate object. I’ve never seen a gun or a knife on its own out and about killing people!

 

The guy did the killing and the alcohol certainly didn’t help and that’s that.

hang on .....  on the farm I had a gun and a pocket knife for 10 yrs and had beers with my uncle but we didn't go out and kill anyone.

[Nkpjed]

Execute this piece of sh$t. And continue to execute every time some idiot murders someone.

[billd766]

1 hour ago, steven100 said:

hang on .....  on the farm I had a gun and a pocket knife for 10 yrs and had beers with my uncle but we didn't go out and kill anyone.

I gave up with guns when I left the military in 1984. One thing hat we were taught is NEVER point a gun, any gun, at a person unless you mean to kill them. on the 25 yard range my instructor was so amazed with my marksmanship of the paper Russian soldier, that he told me I would be better off saving my ammunition for someone else, and beating the enemy to death with my SLR rifle.

[Stargeezr]

There is always the Thai face, then there is the drunken Thai face, with a gun and knife.

Then another man is involved, and that is why we have this sad news story. Buts lets all

blame the alcohol. When Thailand people try to talk to me about their Thai customs, I always

ask about the Thai face, then we do not talk much after that.  TIT.

[robblok]

I get laughed at when i say alcohol is a drug, yet governments and scientists classify it as a drug. Also, the link between alcohol and violence is clearly established. I am not against alcohol at all, nor am i against other drugs. What I am against is the misinformation on this forum about alcohol not being a drug or that it is harmless. Harm based its worse than cannabis.

 

IMHO everyone should be free to do the drugs they want, as long as they don't bother / harm others and don't operate vehicles. Just trying to create a bit more awareness that there is no difference between alcohol and other drugs. So the moral view of drugs are bad alcohol is good is misguided.  Research backs everything up. Yet the alcohol users on this forum never seem to acknowledge stuff but come with anecdotal evidence. 

 

Just because something is socially accepted does not make it harmless, nor does it make one drug user superior over another drug user. The most superior drug user IMHO is the one that can control their intake and does not bother others or endanger them. 

 

Drugs and alcohol are here to stay, and i think that is a good thing, its a nice exhaust for many people and should not be looked down upon by anyone. Overuse and abuse of a drug is an other thing (but as long as overuse does not damage others i see it as a free choice. 

 

I have nothing against people who drink themselves until they can't walk anymore and then take a taxi home or get driven home or whatever. Their choice, personally i used my fair share of drugs as a Dutch guy. Of all of them i preferred cannabis and would have used it if it were legal and did not mess too much with my diet. I just don't like the tast of alcohol but don't really care if someone drinks or not. But the hang em high brigade that comes out when someone high does something seems to be awfully silent about alcohol and even comes up with all kinds of excuses about alcohol when it gets in the news.

 

Be a bit more fair in how you judge things, and don't think your superior to someone who vapes some cannabis (legally you are).  And just accept your a drug user just like them but its just that your drug is legal and has social acceptance. 

• Alcohol is among the most used drugs, plays a large role in many societies and cultures around the world,¹ and greatly impacts public health.^2,3 More people over age 12 in the United States have used alcohol in the past year than any other drug or tobacco product, and alcohol use disorder is the most common type of substance use disorder in the United States.⁴

https://nida.nih.gov/drug-topics/alcohol

 

Alcohol and violence 

 

Of the 11.1 million victims of violent crime each year, almost one in four, or 2.7 million, report that the offender had been drinking alcohol prior to committing the crime (Greenfeld 1998). 

 

Alcohol-related violence is the result of complex interactions between individual and environmental factors that either promote or inhibit violence. Findings from numerous studies implicate several variables—including personality factors, individual expectancies, situational elements, and sociocultural influences—that may interact with alcohol’s pharmacologic effects. What is not clear is whether and under what circumstances these interactions may combine to lead to violent episodes. It is also not known what interventions might prevent or reduce the likelihood of alcohol-related violence

 

https://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/10report/chap01c.pdf