NONG CHOK Posted February 5, 2022 Posted February 5, 2022 Hi there, for the past 4 years I've jogged up to 2 hours daily, over that period I've lost over 20 kg's in weight ( doctors orders ) I still drink but I've reduced that and modified my diet. I'm rather heavy on jogging shoes, I normally change around every 4 months. Does anyone know where factory seconds are sold in Pattaya. For several years I used to go to a guy in Naklua Road near my condo just before Third Road. In recent months he's gone I dare say for works to start on another multi story hotel. Cheers, stay safe.
Card Posted February 5, 2022 Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) Decathlon near Tesco lotus in N Pattaya have excellent hard wearing trail running shoes that are often discounted or are returned to store slightly used. Believe me they beat most of the regular jogging shoes in both quality and price. You can also buy online from Decathlon or check which branches have the type you prefer. I bought 2 pairs, see below for about 1000 baht per pair. Edited February 5, 2022 by Card 1
thailand49 Posted February 5, 2022 Posted February 5, 2022 27 minutes ago, Card said: Decathlon near Tesco lotus in N Pattaya have excellent hard wearing trail running shoes that are often discounted or are returned to store slightly used. Believe me they beat most of the regular jogging shoes in both quality and price. You can also buy online from Decathlon or check which branches have the type you prefer. I bought 2 pairs, see below for about 1000 baht per pair. Those are jogging shoe? Decathlon do have same decent jogging shoes believe there is more quality control than the original and copies particularly the quality of glue used sold here in Thailand. Mikes shopping on Beach road found some decent name brands Copies that held up well better than what suppose to be originals especially when it comes to prices I've not paid more than 800 baht for any of them. Good luck 1
Popular Post 4MyEgo Posted February 5, 2022 Popular Post Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, NONG CHOK said: Hi there, for the past 4 years I've jogged up to 2 hours daily, over that period I've lost over 20 kg's in weight ( doctors orders ) Hmm, have you not heard of HIIT, all you need is 10 minutes a day tops, dropping one meal also helps, I lost 15kg in 6 months, no impact on my body from running, 30 seconds on, 30 seconds off, even less if you want, gets that heart rate up all day. The latest is that running creates too much cortisol which doesn't burn fat, HIIT on the other hand reduces the creation of too much cortisol and burns fat. Why kill yourself running and changing shoes, not to mention if your outdoors, it's HOT, also think of the time your saving. Edited February 5, 2022 by 4MyEgo 2 2 1
Card Posted February 5, 2022 Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) 33 minutes ago, thailand49 said: Those are jogging shoe? Decathlon do have same decent jogging shoes believe there is more quality control than the original and copies particularly the quality of glue used sold here in Thailand. Mikes shopping on Beach road found some decent name brands Copies that held up well better than what suppose to be originals especially when it comes to prices I've not paid more than 800 baht for any of them. Good luck Yes, they are TRAIL running shoes and very suitable for rough and smooth surfaces and have more cushioning and grip and support than normal road shoes. They are also very light in weight. I jog in them every 2 days Edited February 5, 2022 by Card 1 1
Popular Post Card Posted February 5, 2022 Popular Post Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) Diet is more important than exercise for losing weight and you do not have to suffer. As long as you eat healthily you do not need to do calorie watching - leave that to your body. It will crave more food if it does not have enough of any nutrients it needs, even if that food is unhealthy. Carbohydrates, especially simple sugars are the worst. Cut out processed and sweet stuff and limit starch and include much micronutrient and vitamin food like coloured veggies and less sweet fruit. That way you can eat as much as you want and still lose weight. But also remember : NO snacks. You must feel hungry before every meal. Exercising also adds extra benefits but the main ones come from a healthy balanced diet. Edited February 5, 2022 by Card 3
Popular Post RocketDog Posted February 5, 2022 Popular Post Posted February 5, 2022 1 hour ago, 4MyEgo said: Hmm, have you not heard of HIIT, all you need is 10 minutes a day tops, dropping one meal also helps, I lost 15kg in 6 months, no impact on my body from running, 30 seconds on, 30 seconds off, even less if you want, gets that heart rate up all day. The latest is that running creates too much cortisol which doesn't burn fat, HIIT on the other hand reduces the creation of too much cortisol and burns fat. Why kill yourself running and changing shoes, not to mention if your outdoors, it's HOT, also think of the time your saving. My uncle was a top orthopedic surgeon at a major hospital in Houston Nedica Center and also a curmudgeon. He was constantly griping (in the 1980-1900s) about how many runners just wore out their ankles and hips running such great distances. I'm not a doctor but as an engineer I know that everything wears out. At 72 I walk several miles every two days in the pineapple fields around me. I do the walk /run thing and keep my heart rate up without feeling exhausted. Very high sustained heart rate is a younger man's game, but harmful to older folks. As for shoes, I've bought several pairs here and have noticed the first failure is inevitably the glue holding the soles on. As soon as it starts delaminating I pull it off and slather some silicone sealant on it and clamp it for a few hours. Good to go until the rest of the shoe just wears out. 1 2 1
Popular Post 4MyEgo Posted February 5, 2022 Popular Post Posted February 5, 2022 27 minutes ago, RocketDog said: I'm not a doctor but as an engineer I know that everything wears out. At 62 and not overweight, I notice the soreness on my body and joints if I go for a 45 minute walk/run on the treadmill, hence the reason I do 30 seconds on a stationary gym bike, then rest for 30 seconds, repeat and keep it up for 5-10 minutes, depending how I feel. I never push the heart rate as much as I do on the treadmill, which I usually get up 160bpm over the 45 minutes on it, whereas on the stationary gym bike for the 5-10 minutes, 30 seconds on, 30 seconds off, it will be more like 130bpm and that does it. I do believe in the old saying, i.e. that 80% of weight gain comes from the kitchen and as Card said in his above post, refined carbs, like breads and the likes are the main contributor to weight gain. My last meal is before 7pm and my first of 2 meals is at 11am, so I have that window of 16 hours without food to allow my body to eat it's own stored fat for energy, that said, if I get hungry throughout the day, I can grab a banana at 3ish or a yogurt with some almonds and a banana which will keep me going till dinner at 6-6.30pm which will include either a salad or veggies or both. 2 1
Popular Post Mac Mickmanus Posted February 5, 2022 Popular Post Posted February 5, 2022 Instead of running, you could try walking around the shops and markets and having a look ? 3
Card Posted February 5, 2022 Posted February 5, 2022 11 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said: At 62 and not overweight, I notice the soreness on my body and joints if I go for a 45 minute walk/run on the treadmill, hence the reason I do 30 seconds on a stationary gym bike, then rest for 30 seconds, repeat and keep it up for 5-10 minutes, depending how I feel. I never push the heart rate as much as I do on the treadmill, which I usually get up 160bpm over the 45 minutes on it, whereas on the stationary gym bike for the 5-10 minutes, 30 seconds on, 30 seconds off, it will be more like 130bpm and that does it. I do believe in the old saying, i.e. that 80% of weight gain comes from the kitchen and as Card said in his above post, refined carbs, like breads and the likes are the main contributor to weight gain. My last meal is before 7pm and my first of 2 meals is at 11am, so I have that window of 16 hours without food to allow my body to eat it's own stored fat for energy, that said, if I get hungry throughout the day, I can grab a banana at 3ish or a yogurt with some almonds and a banana which will keep me going till dinner at 6-6.30pm which will include either a salad or veggies or both. Yes ketosis ie. fat burning, starts 12-24h after your last meal depending on the person. 1 1
Popular Post Tropposurfer Posted February 5, 2022 Popular Post Posted February 5, 2022 3 hours ago, 4MyEgo said: Hmm, have you not heard of HIIT, all you need is 10 minutes a day tops, dropping one meal also helps, I lost 15kg in 6 months, no impact on my body from running, 30 seconds on, 30 seconds off, even less if you want, gets that heart rate up all day. The latest is that running too much cortisol which doesn't burn fat, HIIT on the other hand reduces the creation of too much cortisol and burns fat. Why kill yourself running and changing shoes, not to mention if your outdoors, it's HOT, also think of the time your saving. Short interval training is far less damaging to the body ???? Your absolutely right. It's great to hear this OP has lost so much weight and is exercising so don't get e wrong I aint' bagging him. I love working out and fitness is just a great part of living fully. But if ya work intensely for 20-30 minutes of e.g. sprints on soft grass in the park, bike or stationary bike, or skipping is worth hours or running and don't risk destroying knees hips n back and will raise the metabolism and burn calories much more efficiently and faster too. I as a long term athlete would not advise buying cheap knock-off running shoes they are cheap knock-offs for a reason ... if you want to protect your body don't buy them. You might feel ok now but down the track this might not be the case. 2 1
Hanuman2547 Posted February 6, 2022 Posted February 6, 2022 I wouldn't cut corners on good quality running shoes by trying to go with knock offs. There is a big difference. Factory seconds, as sold in the west, are exactly that. A shoe that usually has some cosmetic defect but is structurally sound. 1
adexco Posted February 6, 2022 Posted February 6, 2022 heavy and running ? a very very smart choice... no, there is no other safer alternative ! hahahaha.... 1
robblok Posted February 6, 2022 Posted February 6, 2022 23 hours ago, 4MyEgo said: Hmm, have you not heard of HIIT, all you need is 10 minutes a day tops, dropping one meal also helps, I lost 15kg in 6 months, no impact on my body from running, 30 seconds on, 30 seconds off, even less if you want, gets that heart rate up all day. The latest is that running creates too much cortisol which doesn't burn fat, HIIT on the other hand reduces the creation of too much cortisol and burns fat. Why kill yourself running and changing shoes, not to mention if your outdoors, it's HOT, also think of the time your saving. It really depends on what you like and HIIT is no magic thing as you can only do it a few times a week as it puts a lot of strain on the body. You can burn far more calories with jogging then with hit. But the whole premises of using exercise for weight loss is crazy. Yes it can help burn some extra calories but its far less effective then a good diet. Weight loss i like 80% diet and exercise though its great for many things plays a minor part in it. But if someone likes to jog let them jog if someone likes HIIT let them do that, or better yet do a combination of both. The best exercise is the one you stick with be it jogging or HIIT. The cortisol thing, minor thing sure its advertised as bad but in the end it will not affect weight loss that much. You actually needs cortisol to burn fat (sure chronically elevated cortisol is bad) but no real science that says jogging does so. Thing is most sites you read will be bias to one thing or the other and cherry pick science to prove their point. 2
SAFETY FIRST Posted February 7, 2022 Posted February 7, 2022 On 2/5/2022 at 2:42 PM, 4MyEgo said: latest is that running creates too much cortisol which doesn't burn fat, HIIT on the other hand reduces the creation of too much cortisol and burns fat. Agree, there was a scientific study regarding HIIT, by Catalyst, an Australian Documentary, shown on Australian ABC. It proven to be more beneficial than regular exercise. 1
Guderian Posted February 8, 2022 Posted February 8, 2022 (edited) The occasional night spent rolling in the hay with a couple of 20-something year old girls from a bar works fine for me. It's not called horizontal PT for nothing! Edited February 8, 2022 by Guderian
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