TallGuyJohninBKK Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 "Russia continues to attack civilian targets across Ukraine. At least 902 civilians have been killed and 1,459 injured since the start of the invasion, the office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) said Sunday." AND Zelensky repeats call for NATO admission in CNN interview ... Zelensky told Zakaria that Russia would not have invaded Ukraine if the country had been admitted into the NATO alliance. "If we were a NATO member, a war wouldn't have started. I'd like to receive security guarantees for my country, for my people," said Zelensky. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/key-developments-in-ukraine-this-weekend/ar-AAVjWpf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meat Pie 47 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 video of a Russian pilot apparently admitting he had been ordered to bomb a civilian target has been widely shown on Ukrainian media. https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-putin-pilot-shot-civilian-1687191 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 NATO Unity Faltering as Calls Grow for a No-Fly Zone Over Ukraine Agreement among NATO allies appears to be faltering as more nations call for a no-fly zone over Ukraine. NATO's secretary-general said Wednesday the alliance's members were united in the decision not to deploy forces on the ground or in the airspace of Ukraine as Russia's invasion of the eastern European nation intensifies. ... But on Thursday, the Associated Press reported that Lithuania's parliament unanimously approved a resolution calling for a no-fly zone over Ukraine—joining other NATO members Estonia and Slovenia in the appeal. (more) https://www.newsweek.com/nato-unity-faltering-calls-grow-no-fly-zone-over-ukraine-1689048 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsetBkk Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: But on Thursday, the Associated Press reported that Lithuania's parliament unanimously approved a resolution calling for a no-fly zone over Ukraine—joining other NATO members Estonia and Slovenia in the appeal. Fortunately, no one is listening to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 1 minute ago, JetsetBkk said: Fortunately, no one is listening to them. I think that might eventuate if the war continues. Poland has already mooted sending troops into Ukraine on a peacekeeping mission and Biden is headed to Poland this week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TallGuyJohninBKK Posted March 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2022 13 hours ago, JetsetBkk said: Fortunately, no one is listening to them. Poland to propose Ukraine peacekeeping mission at NATO summit, says PM https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/poland-propose-ukraine-peacekeeping-mission-nato-summit-says-pm-2022-03-18/ Look who's calling for a more forceful western response to Russia's war crimes in Ukraine -- Poland, Lithuania, Estonia, Slovenia, etc. They're all in the neighborhood and all NATO members. They know who and what Putin is... And they know they could be next on Russia's list somewhere down the line. ------- The clear and attrocious targeting of innocent, non-combatant Ukrainian civilians and civilian targets by the Russian military -- no accidents or targeting errors -- becomes increasingly untenable to common sense people in the West. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgw Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 From the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense: https://www.facebook.com/MinistryofDefence.UA/posts/280122050966921 Quote The enemy continues "mobilization" in temporarily occupied territories. In particular, the next wave takes place in the territory of the Donetsk region. In order to increase the number of potential "principles", the occupiers increase the age rate of "military personnel" - from 55 to 65 years old. Quote "Mobilized" to the 1st Army Corps of the Occupation Forces are distinguished by extremely low moral and psychological condition and have outdated equipment: the 1974 sample gear, the 1971 release protective helmets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 The Russian military says it will continue using its state-of-the-art hypersonic missile to hit particularly important targets in Ukraine. Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov said Monday that the Kinzhal hypersonic missile “has proven its efficiency in destroying heavily fortified special facilities.” Kinzhal was used for these strikes due to its high kinetic energy and its ability to penetrate defenses. https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-boris-johnson-business-europe-4b0fee549843a0a6ed73c314f8c2fa12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 22 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: Poland to propose Ukraine peacekeeping mission at NATO summit, says PM https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/poland-propose-ukraine-peacekeeping-mission-nato-summit-says-pm-2022-03-18/ Look who's calling for a more forceful western response to Russia's war crimes in Ukraine -- Poland, Lithuania, Estonia, Slovenia, etc. They're all in the neighborhood and all NATO members. They know who and what Putin is... And they know they could be next on Russia's list somewhere down the line. ------- The clear and attrocious targeting of innocent, non-combatant Ukrainian civilians and civilian targets by the Russian military -- no accidents or targeting errors -- becomes increasingly untenable to common sense people in the West. Russia Threatens Poland in Lengthy Letter Days Before Joe Biden's Visit Dmitry Medvedev, deputy chairman of the Russian security council, on Monday threatened Poland in a lengthy letter, just days before U.S. President Joe Biden is due to visit the country. ... Medvedev was referring to a decision made by Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki last week to minimize dependence on Russia and sever economic ties with Moscow in response to the Ukraine invasion that began on February 24. "We will deal with the de-Russification of the Polish and European economy," Morawiecki told a news conference on March 18. "We call for the suspension of activities on the Russian market." https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-threatens-poland-in-lengthy-letter-days-before-joe-biden-s-visit/ar-AAVjWFW 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tgw Posted March 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2022 this CNN broadcast claims that Ukraine is currently pushing to take back Kherson https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/03/21/russia-mykolaiv-kherson-ukraine-nick-paton-walsh-pkg-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/russia-ukraine-military-conflict/ 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rudi49jr Posted March 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2022 (edited) Man, 96 years old, who survived four nazi concentration camps killed during Russian attack on Kharkiv. https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-man-96-who-survived-four-nazi-concentration-camps-killed-during-russian-attack-on-kharkiv-12572163 <deleted> Russians. They’re just going to continue to flatten whole cities, Putin doesn’t give a flying ***** if he has to kill a couple million Ukrainians to save face. Gutless coward, with way too many über-obedient puppets who will fulfill their lord and master’s every depraved wish. Makes me sick to my stomach. Edited March 21, 2022 by rudi49jr 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 48 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: Russia Threatens Poland in Lengthy Letter Days Before Joe Biden's Visit Dmitry Medvedev, deputy chairman of the Russian security council, on Monday threatened Poland in a lengthy letter, just days before U.S. President Joe Biden is due to visit the country. ... Medvedev was referring to a decision made by Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki last week to minimize dependence on Russia and sever economic ties with Moscow in response to the Ukraine invasion that began on February 24. "We will deal with the de-Russification of the Polish and European economy," Morawiecki told a news conference on March 18. "We call for the suspension of activities on the Russian market." https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-threatens-poland-in-lengthy-letter-days-before-joe-biden-s-visit/ar-AAVjWFW I didn't see any explicit or even implicit military threat from medvedev. But I guess given how poorly the Russian armed forces have performed, it wouldn't pack much of a punch anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, rudi49jr said: Man, 96 years old, who survived four nazi concentration camps killed during Russian attack on Kharkiv. https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-man-96-who-survived-four-nazi-concentration-camps-killed-during-russian-attack-on-kharkiv-1257216 From your news source above: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRS1301 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 9 hours ago, Jingthing said: In Russia people are whining about stores closing in malls. while their apologists, and leaders, continue to live in the laps of luxury. Always the average person pays the greatest price 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 7 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: NATO Unity Faltering as Calls Grow for a No-Fly Zone Over Ukraine Agreement among NATO allies appears to be faltering as more nations call for a no-fly zone over Ukraine. NATO's secretary-general said Wednesday the alliance's members were united in the decision not to deploy forces on the ground or in the airspace of Ukraine as Russia's invasion of the eastern European nation intensifies. Jens Stoltenberg warned that doing so would be a pretext for a "full-fledged war" between NATO and Russia. But on Thursday, the Associated Press reported that Lithuania's parliament unanimously approved a resolution calling for a no-fly zone over Ukraine—joining other NATO members Estonia and Slovenia in the appeal. (more) https://www.newsweek.com/nato-unity-faltering-calls-grow-no-fly-zone-over-ukraine-1689048 Classic doom headline. The reported events are not an example of NATO unity faltering, support for Ukraine amongst NATO members remain unanimous, Lithuania would like to do more. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummin Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Not sure how it is possible to arrange a public vote right now, and also a secure one. The compromises will be about Nato, demilitarisation and the easter provinses securing a land corridor for the russians to Crimea. I do not know Inews, but found simular article in Telegraph behind wall, and a valid Norwegian news source. Volodymyr Zelensky says compromises with Russia will require nationwide referendum In an interview with Suspilne, Ukraine’s national public broadcaster, the nation’s President said compromises with Russia would have to go to a public vote https://inews.co.uk/news/president-zelensky-ukraine-compromises-russia-nationwide-referendum-1531168 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hummin said: Not sure how it is possible to arrange a public vote right now, and also a secure one. The compromises will be about Nato, demilitarisation and the easter provinses securing a land corridor for the russians to Crimea. I do not know Inews, but found simular article in Telegraph behind wall, and a valid Norwegian news source. Volodymyr Zelensky says compromises with Russia will require nationwide referendum In an interview with Suspilne, Ukraine’s national public broadcaster, the nation’s President said compromises with Russia would have to go to a public vote https://inews.co.uk/news/president-zelensky-ukraine-compromises-russia-nationwide-referendum-1531168 The takeaway from this is that there won't be any compromises. If the EU determine that genocide is occurring this week it's possible that NATO will act to insert a peacekeeping force, in my opinion. Edited March 22, 2022 by ozimoron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummin Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 29 minutes ago, ozimoron said: The takeaway from this is that there won't be any compromises. If the EU determine that genocide is occurring this week it's possible that NATO will act to insert a peacekeeping force, in my opinion. Hopefully the Russians Remove Putin themselves, and no need to involve any other country or Nato! But I feel it might be necessery to intervene at some point, but we are not there yet. It takes time to form an solid backing from every country, but as you say, genocide, use of gas could be the triggers. Genocides normally takes time to official reckonize unfortunately. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatCage Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Secretive American Stocks Of Soviet Air Defense Systems Are Headed To Ukraine: The U.S. government is sending Soviet-era air defense systems in its possession to Ukraine, according to a report from The Wall Street Journal. These systems will reportedly come from stocks of foreign materiel that elements of the U.S. military and Intelligence Community have obtained in various ways over the years for intelligence analysis and training purposes. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/44859/secretive-american-stocks-of-soviet-air-defense-systems-are-headed-to-ukraine-report 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellfire Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Hummin said: Hopefully the Russians Remove Putin themselves, and no need to involve any other country or Nato! But I feel it might be necessery to intervene at some point, but we are not there yet. It takes time to form an solid backing from every country, but as you say, genocide, use of gas could be the triggers. Genocides normally takes time to official reckonize unfortunately. Meanwhile, the West is still buying huge amounts of gas and oil from Russia. Until this is stopped - Russia will not collapse economically and there will not be any serious threat to Putin’s regime from within. Macdonalds and Facebook’s withdrawal from Russia will not do the job. There is a lot of hype about recent sanctions but the most important ways of isolating Russia’s economy are still not utilized. Edited March 22, 2022 by Hellfire 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRS1301 Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Volodymyr Zelensky reveals ‘compromise’ he might accept to end invasion https://www.news.com.au/world/russia-ukraine-war-updates-nato-official-warns-belarus-is-preparing-to-justify-an-attack-on-ukraine/news-story/285f2f6a09a110892171d16fef20f672 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 2 hours ago, RJRS1301 said: Volodymyr Zelensky reveals ‘compromise’ he might accept to end invasion https://www.news.com.au/world/russia-ukraine-war-updates-nato-official-warns-belarus-is-preparing-to-justify-an-attack-on-ukraine/news-story/285f2f6a09a110892171d16fef20f672 from that article: “There can't be any ‘de-Nazification’ in the agreement. When a country that is treading in the footsteps of the Nazis is accusing us of being Nazis, we can’t accept that.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saanim Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 12 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: Dmitry Medvedev, deputy chairman of the Russian security council, on Monday threatened Poland in a lengthy letter Can we read the "lengthy letter"? BTW, the link https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-threatens-poland-in-lengthy-letter-days-before-joe-biden-s-visit/ar-AAVjWFW was updated: Update 03/21/22 at 12:54 p.m. ET: This article was updated with additional background information and to change the word '"threatens" to "warns" in the headline. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummin Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, Hellfire said: Meanwhile, the West is still buying huge amounts of gas and oil from Russia. Until this is stopped - Russia will not collapse economically and there will not be any serious threat to Putin’s regime from within. Macdonalds and Facebook’s withdrawal from Russia will not do the job. There is a lot of hype about recent sanctions but the most important ways of isolating Russia’s economy are still not utilized. I agree, and said earlier to the sanctions they can do, is a joke in the beginning of this war. But if many of those who is harmed personally, is powerful enough to remove Putin, then they succeed, but if not, these sanctions is only harming the average Ivan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Hellfire said: Meanwhile, the West is still buying huge amounts of gas and oil from Russia. Until this is stopped - Russia will not collapse economically and there will not be any serious threat to Putin’s regime from within. Macdonalds and Facebook’s withdrawal from Russia will not do the job. There is a lot of hype about recent sanctions but the most important ways of isolating Russia’s economy are still not utilized. It’s not simply McDonalds and Facebook. Russia has been denied access to international banking, money transfers/transactions, had been blocked by the two largest internet providers, has had offshore assets seized and is no longer able to access technology supplies. The ‘special economic operation’ is damaging the already weak Russian economy. Edited March 22, 2022 by Chomper Higgot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TallGuyJohninBKK Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: Classic doom headline. The reported events are not an example of NATO unity faltering, support for Ukraine amongst NATO members remain unanimous, Lithuania would like to do more. Sorry, you're misreading the meaning of the news report headline above... (which the news source wrote, not me). It doesn't mean NATO's resolve against Russia is faltering. It does mean, the prior collective NATO position AGAINST direct involvement is "faltering," with the several named NATO countries in the report now urging stronger, direct NATO action against Russia such as a no-fly zone. The NATO non-involvement stance is faltering (with some member countries now beginning to dissent)... which is correct... and not necessarily a bad thing. Edited March 22, 2022 by TallGuyJohninBKK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chris.B Posted March 22, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2022 1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: Sorry, you're misreading the meaning of the news report headline above... (which the news source wrote, not me). It doesn't mean NATO's resolve against Russia is faltering. It does mean, the prior collective NATO position AGAINST direct involvement is "faltering," with the several named NATO countries in the report now urging stronger, direct NATO action against Russia such as a no-fly zone. The NATO non-involvement stance is faltering (with some member countries now beginning to dissent)... which is correct... and not necessarily a bad thing. It is no surprise Lithuania and Estonia are supporting a no-fly zone. They are probably next if Russia beats Ukraine. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 10 minutes ago, Chris.B said: It is no surprise Lithuania and Estonia are supporting a no-fly zone. They are probably next if Russia beats Ukraine. Both Estonia and Lithuania are under NATO Clause 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 7 minutes ago, Chris.B said: It is no surprise Lithuania and Estonia are supporting a no-fly zone. They are probably next if Russia beats Ukraine. It's the countries nearby to Russia, not surprisingly, that are advocating stronger NATO action for the very reason you mention. It's the far away countries like the U.S. that thus far have been opposing it, understandably, out of fear direct NATO involvement could lead to some version of WWIII and nukes being deployed. Hopefully, there's some way the west can DO MORE in a meaningful way that isn't likely to trigger the various nightmare scenarios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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