sammieuk1 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said: Hopefully the mods will leave this one up seeing as its fools day................ LOL X2???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Hellfire said: Then you should turn to the Russian press. The one where even the word "voina" (war) is prohibited to be used to describe the recent events. A lot of credibility to be found there. Just use "google translate" and you will know the TRUTH. Quite often, when I think I know who the good guys are, it turns out they're just turds with better spin doctors. Edited April 1, 2022 by impulse 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellfire Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Is the West really ready for the Ukraine's victory? Not sure. Many in the West would prefer Ukraine being defeated. Because, otherwise, they should face the numerous consequences: nuclear threats by crazy Vlad, Russia's deconstruction, serious global instability and so on. My opinion: deeply hedonistic West is not ready to face any of those scenarios. Prove me wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tgw Posted April 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 1, 2022 6 minutes ago, Hellfire said: Is the West really ready for the Ukraine's victory? Not sure. Many in the West would prefer Ukraine being defeated. Because, otherwise, they should face the numerous consequences: nuclear threats by crazy Vlad, Russia's deconstruction, serious global instability and so on. My opinion: deeply hedonistic West is not ready to face any of those scenarios. Prove me wrong. lol yes, 90% of the West wants Ukraine to shove it to Vlad 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris.B Posted April 1, 2022 Author Share Posted April 1, 2022 1 minute ago, tgw said: lol yes, 90% of the West wants Ukraine to shove it to Vlad I wouldn't count on France, Germany doesn't seem to be doing much too. ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellfire Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, tgw said: lol yes, 90% of the West wants Ukraine to shove it to Vlad It is not about words and proclamations but actions and the readiness to sacrifice (and to fight!). Edited April 1, 2022 by Hellfire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Video here of the actual strike within Russia by 2 helicopters from Ukraine: Russia accuses Ukraine of helicopter strikes on fuel depot in Russian territory https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/01/europe/russia-ukraine-belgorod-fire-intl/index.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellfire Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 (edited) I think Putin has a waste experience of corrupting the West, buying it with his oil and gas money. Somehow, he got an idea, the West doesn't really has any other values but "money" and "power". Democracy? Personal freedoms and individual rights? Everything was proved to be fake in his eyes. Was he right? Or, may be, he missed something and there is still something real in the "western values" and not just empty words? A million dollar question which will define the world's future. Edited April 1, 2022 by Hellfire 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post heybruce Posted April 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 1, 2022 5 hours ago, Hellfire said: Is the West really ready for the Ukraine's victory? Not sure. Many in the West would prefer Ukraine being defeated. Because, otherwise, they should face the numerous consequences: nuclear threats by crazy Vlad, Russia's deconstruction, serious global instability and so on. My opinion: deeply hedonistic West is not ready to face any of those scenarios. Prove me wrong. "nuclear threats by crazy Vlad" We already have them. "Russia's deconstruction" I can't see a Ukrainian victory causing that, but it might (fingers crossed) leading to crazy Vlad being removed from office. "serious global instability" Again, we already have that. Do you think that letting Russia get away with invading neighboring countries will somehow lead to global stability? Most westerners realize that the consequences of letting Putin win are much worse than the consequences of him losing. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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heybruce Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 12 minutes ago, impulse said: Of the 3 demands Putin made before the invasion, 2 of them involved current and former Ukraine citizens that apparently don't want to be part of Ukraine. Crimea and Donbas. You figure that may be due to coming up on the short end of the corruption stick again and again? This mess didn't start with the invasion. It's been brewing for decades. Kinda like WW2. On what do you base your assumption that the majority of citizens in Crimea and Donbas didn't/don't want to be part of Ukraine? Were they ever allowed to express their preference in a fair, independently monitored election? I've read reports that suggest that the warlords supporting Russia in Donbas are gangsters who expect to come out well ahead in the corruption stick by doing so.. I can't prove it, but you can't prove your speculation either. After all, Russia is more corrupt than Ukraine Yes, Russia has been brewing this mess for decades. It has been working to keep Ukraine a profitable part of the Russian kleptocracy since Putin came to power. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRS1301 Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 China accused of launching cyber-attacks on Ukraine before Russian invasion https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/apr/01/china-accused-of-launching-cyber-attacks-on-ukraine-before-russian-invasion?utm_term=624792066995262b8c7e0b56d12c44f1&utm_campaign=GuardianTodayAUS&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&CMP=GTAU_email Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRS1301 Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 Sean Penn calls for billionaire to step up and buy aircraft for Ukraine https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/apr/01/sean-penn-calls-for-billionaire-to-step-up-and-buy-aircraft-for-ukraine?utm_term=624792066995262b8c7e0b56d12c44f1&utm_campaign=GuardianTodayAUS&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&CMP=GTAU_email Perhaps they could get them from Amazon ?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy warned his people early Saturday that retreating Russian forces were creating “a complete disaster” outside the capital as they leave mines across “the whole territory,” even around homes and corpses. He issued the warning as the humanitarian crisis in the encircled city of Mariupol deepened, with Russian forces blocking evacuation operations for the second day in a row https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-zelenskyy-kyiv-europe-8482e237420a33a17bfb4e613e75bb66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 18 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy warned his people early Saturday that retreating Russian forces were creating “a complete disaster” outside the capital as they leave mines across “the whole territory,” even around homes and corpses. He issued the warning as the humanitarian crisis in the encircled city of Mariupol deepened, with Russian forces blocking evacuation operations for the second day in a row https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-zelenskyy-kyiv-europe-8482e237420a33a17bfb4e613e75bb66 Adding to that. What is also happening in the retreat is evidence of the war crimes they committed including slaughtering and burning innocent civilians who are left in the roads. BBC: Ukraine war: Gruesome evidence points to war crimes on road outside Kyiv Some of the evidence the BBC gathered is too disturbing to show in full. Here a dead man has been covered by rubber tyres. Attempts have been made to destroy the other bodies. Some have been left to rot where they were killed. But other corpses have been piled up and surrounded by tyres. Charred clothing indicates attempts were made to set fires around them. Tyres are flammable and must have been placed there as an accelerant. Separate & further evidence in this twitter video: "It's almost as if Russians have withdrawn for all the world to see the horrors they left behind" https://twitter.com/olgatokariuk/status/1509992795137789955 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmer Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 Off topic post and replies have been removed, topic is about the invasion of Ukraine and what is happening on the ground on a daily basis, please also see the header of this forum: UK & Europe Topics and events For topics and events related to the UK and Europe. No Political discussions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RJRS1301 Posted April 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 2, 2022 Believe that you really would be deluded Russia’s Deputy Defence Minister Alexander Fomin said the Kremlin was withdrawing from Kyiv and Chernihiv to “increase mutual trust and create conditions for further negotiations.” https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/russia-is-regrouping-for-more-brutal-attacks-on-ukraine/news-story/ec5d297280f06a5ffec3ad909d065305 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 12 hours ago, Hellfire said: Is the West really ready for the Ukraine's victory? Not sure. Many in the West would prefer Ukraine being defeated. Because, otherwise, they should face the numerous consequences: nuclear threats by crazy Vlad, Russia's deconstruction, serious global instability and so on. My opinion: deeply hedonistic West is not ready to face any of those scenarios. Prove me wrong. OK. You provide the time machine and I will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi49jr Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 2 hours ago, RJRS1301 said: to “increase mutual trust and create conditions for further negotiations.” Yes, I just stabbed you in the back 26 times, stole your land, burned your house down, raped your sisters, killed your brothers and kidnapped a whole bunch of the rest of your family, but I assure you that you can trust me from now on. Scout’s honor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgw Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 finally a big question I had about the fall of Kherson and its bridge has been answered: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/3/29/2088926/-Ukraine-update-How-did-Kherson-fall-so-quickly-Betrayal-looks-like-a-good-bet https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/zelensky-sacks-traitor-generals-wbqkrr06r https://web.archive.org/web/20220329212559/https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2022/03/26/kherson use google translate on this one the original page has been censored, but can be obtained via wayback machine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRS1301 Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 Putin may be ‘playing a long game’ on the cyber front, with attacks under way but not fully understood https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/01/russia-ukraine-cyberwar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsetBkk Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 4 hours ago, Bkk Brian said: ... Some of the evidence the BBC gathered is too disturbing to show in full... ... What a horrific video from the BBC. I wonder if they will also show the video of Ukrainian soldiers shooting Russian POWs in the legs as they exit a small van? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
friendofthai Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 (edited) 16 hours ago, Hellfire said: Is the West really ready for the Ukraine's victory? Not sure. Many in the West would prefer Ukraine being defeated. Because, otherwise, they should face the numerous consequences: nuclear threats by crazy Vlad, Russia's deconstruction, serious global instability and so on. My opinion: deeply hedonistic West is not ready to face any of those scenarios. Prove me wrong. This is a war between Russia and the West to say the truth. Of course, it is much better for the West to win this war than to lose. This like 2+2=4 Edited April 2, 2022 by friendofthai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsetBkk Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, JetsetBkk said: What a horrific video from the BBC. I wonder if they will also show the video of Ukrainian soldiers shooting Russian POWs in the legs as they exit a small van? I beg the BBC's pardon. They have posted about it: https://www.bbc.com/news/60907259 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRS1301 Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 8 minutes ago, JetsetBkk said: What a horrific video from the BBC. I wonder if they will also show the video of Ukrainian soldiers shooting Russian POWs in the legs as they exit a small van? Do you have any proof to present regarding your claim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRS1301 Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 7 minutes ago, JetsetBkk said: I beg the BBC's pardon. They have posted about it: https://www.bbc.com/news/60907259 The footage - which is too graphic to show in full - purports to show a number of captured soldiers lying on the ground. Some have bags over their heads, and many appear to be bleeding from leg wounds. It is not clear how or when they were injured. The prisoners are questioned by their captors, asking them about their units and activities in the area. Purports to show, is not proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted April 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 2, 2022 14 minutes ago, JetsetBkk said: I beg the BBC's pardon. They have posted about it: https://www.bbc.com/news/60907259 Yes I was going to send you that link. Great that the BBC shows both sides of the coin unlike the censored Russian media 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris.B Posted April 2, 2022 Author Share Posted April 2, 2022 34 minutes ago, JetsetBkk said: What a horrific video from the BBC. I wonder if they will also show the video of Ukrainian soldiers shooting Russian POWs in the legs as they exit a small van? Link?? ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 (edited) There are crazies on Russian TV daily spouting their rhetoric but it also extends to education. Andrei Sidorov of Moscow State University who happens to be the Dean of the School of World Politics dept said this: "I am not sure that #Ukraine, like many other small states, should retain its #sovereignty after our special operation. In today's world, sovereignty is based, whether we like it or not, on force". Edited April 2, 2022 by Bkk Brian 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 41 minutes ago, friendofthai said: This is a war between Russia and the West to say the truth. Of course, it is much better for the West to win this war than to lose. This like 2+2=4 Its as close to a world war as we've gotten since WW2. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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