Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[RJRS1301]

Fires reported in Odesa after air raids

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/2/russia-ukraine-war-kyiv-region-retaken-liveblog

[Bkk Brian]

A very long and grizzly list of barbaric acts in this article

 

Ukraine: Apparent War Crimes in Russia-Controlled Areas

Summary Executions, Other Grave Abuses by Russian Forces

 

These include a case of repeated rape; two cases of summary execution, one of six men, the other of one man; and other cases of unlawful violence and threats against civilians between February 27 and March 14, 2022

 

“The cases we documented amount to unspeakable, deliberate cruelty and violence against Ukrainian civilians,” said Hugh Williamson, Europe and Central Asia director at Human Rights Watch. “Rape, murder, and other violent acts against people in the Russian forces’ custody should be investigated as war crimes.”

 

https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/04/03/ukraine-apparent-war-crimes-russia-controlled-areas

Edited April 3, 2022 by Bkk Brian

[Bkk Brian]

Go Finland, expand the Nato pact. Putin achieving the opposite of his aims....????

 

Finland should decide this spring whether to join NATO, says prime minister.

 

Sanna Marin on Saturday told Social Democratic Party delegates gathered in Helsinki that it was time for Finland to seriously reconsider its stance on military allegiance.

Russia's military aggression in Ukraine has forced Finland to reexamine its security policy, according to Marin, who said, "Russia is not the neighbour we thought it was."

Any decision to seek Nato membership would have to be made "thoroughly but quickly," essentially this spring, the PM said in her speech to party top brass.

 

https://yle.fi/news/3-12388118?origin=rss

[rudi49jr]

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Go Finland, expand the Nato pact. Putin achieving the opposite of his aims....????

 

Finland should decide this spring whether to join NATO, says prime minister.

 

Sanna Marin on Saturday told Social Democratic Party delegates gathered in Helsinki that it was time for Finland to seriously reconsider its stance on military allegiance.

Russia's military aggression in Ukraine has forced Finland to reexamine its security policy, according to Marin, who said, "Russia is not the neighbour we thought it was."

Any decision to seek Nato membership would have to be made "thoroughly but quickly," essentially this spring, the PM said in her speech to party top brass.

 

https://yle.fi/news/3-12388118?origin=rss

Even a majority (60%) of the people in Sweden, having been neutral for centuries, now think their country should join NATO.

 

https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/talking-europe/20220401-sweden-needs-the-security-of-nato-membership-leading-swedish-mep

 

I’m betting there is some gnashing of teeth and stomping of feet going on in the Kremlin, now that their little special operation in Ukraine has gone so spectacularly sideways, in so many ways.

Edited April 3, 2022 by rudi49jr

[Chomper Higgot]

It is common for nations to have a founding myth, or factual historical struggle, often violent, that holds a place in the minds of the citizens as the moment or events that separates their nation from others.

 

Contrary to Russian revisionist claims that Ukraine is part of Russia, Putin’s illegal and unprovoked invasion is providing Ukrainians with precisely the ‘founding moment’ that unifies a nation.

 

Yet one more example of Putin’s miscalculations.

 

 

Edited April 3, 2022 by Chomper Higgot

[rudi49jr]

Absolutely disgusting:

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/04/02/ukraine-russia-bucha/

 

And that’s probably just one of many examples of war crimes being committed by Russian troops.

[Chris.B]

25 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Yet one more example of Putin’s miscalculations.

 

 

Count Vlad is a sick man, seriously. Apparently he has a tumour on the brain.

 

Where is he hiding now? Some say he is in a nuclear bunker in Siberia over the Urals with his family. 

 

[Chris.B]

10 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

Absolutely disgusting:

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/04/02/ukraine-russia-bucha/

 

And that’s probably just one of many examples of war crimes being committed by Russian troops.

Normal day's work for the Russkies.

 

PS, 

How do u spell Russkie?

noun, plural Russ·kies, Russ·kis. Slang: Extremely Disparaging and Offensive. a contemptuous term used to refer to a Russian.

 

Edited April 3, 2022 by Chris.B

[Bkk Brian]

The more weapons sent to Ukraine the better.

 

On 9th May it is Victory day in Russia and usually there is a huge celebration with a large procession of its military and equipment in Red Square. Lets ensure the Ukraine tractor drivers own most of it by then!!

 

The UK government wants to supply Ukraine with anti-ship missiles to sink Russian warships, and ease the pressure on coastal cites they are bombarding from the sea, the Sunday Times is reporting.

The newspaper described the plan as part of a "gear change" in the West's response to the war.

It said UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson told ministers that he wanted to supply the weapons to prevent Russian forces from advancing on the southern port city of Odesa. Russian missile strikes hit the city this morning.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60949706

[Rimmer]

some troll posts have been removed

[Chris.B]

Two Russian soldiers have died and 28 are in hospital after being POISONED by pastry delicacies offered to them by civilians near besieged Kharkiv

 

Daily Mail

 

[ozimoron]

17 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Plenty of unsupported claims being made on here, but because they are of the "correct" side not being held to account for it, IMO.

Please point to an unsupported claim made by the "correct side".

[ozimoron]

A leading rights group said on Sunday it had documented what it described as "apparent war crimes" committed by Russian military forces against civilians in Ukraine.

Human Rights Watch (HRW) issued a statement saying it had found "several cases of Russian military forces committing laws-of-war violations" in Russian-controlled regions such as Chernihiv, Kharkiv, and Kyiv.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/human-rights-watch-accuses-russian-forces-apparent-war-crimes-ukraine-2022-04-03/

 

An aide to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said on Sunday that Ukrainian troops had found the bodies of women who had been raped and set alight as well as the bodies of local officials and children.

"There are murdered men whose bodies bear signs of torture. Their hands were tied and they were killed by shots to the back of the head," Oleksiy Arestovych told Ukrainian television.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-claims-control-over-kyiv-region-russia-looks-east-2022-04-03/

 

Oleksiy Arestovych, an adviser to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, said scores of killed civilians were found on the streets of Bucha and the Kyiv suburbs of Irpin and Hostomel in what looked like a “scene from a horror movie.”

Arestovych said some people were shot in the head and had their hands bound, and some bodies showed signs of torture, rape and burning.

 

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-zelenskyy-kyiv-europe-evacuations-665fd06b92852547d7b27627b99509a6

Edited April 3, 2022 by ozimoron

[tgw]

2 hours ago, Chris.B said:

Two Russian soldiers have died and 28 are in hospital after being POISONED by pastry delicacies offered to them by civilians near besieged Kharkiv

 

Daily Mail

 

the Ukrainian government had asked the population to poison food supplies that would be taken by the enemy.

[farmerjo]

14 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

A leading rights group said on Sunday it had documented what it described as "apparent war crimes"

Well is it supported or not?

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Chris.B said:

Two Russian soldiers have died and 28 are in hospital after being POISONED by pastry delicacies offered to them by civilians near besieged Kharkiv

 

Daily Mail

 

Bear claws?

[ozimoron]

5 minutes ago, farmerjo said:

Well is it supported or not?

I linked the support. Here's more:

 

The former chief prosecutor of United Nations war crimes tribunals for the former Yugoslavia and Rwanda has called for an international arrest warrant to be issued for Russian President Vladimir Putin.

“Putin is a war criminal,” Carla Del Ponte told the Swiss newspaper Le Temps in an interview published Saturday.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/02/prosecutor-arrest-warrant-putin-00022549

Edited April 3, 2022 by ozimoron

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, Chris.B said:

Two Russian soldiers have died and 28 are in hospital after being POISONED by pastry delicacies offered to them by civilians near besieged Kharkiv

 

Daily Mail

 

Don’t F* with the WI

[Bkk Brian]

11 minutes ago, farmerjo said:

The FORMER chief prosecutor says it all.

How many ex political,armed forces people are giving their views on the current situation which don't matter at all. 

You serious? The prosecutor opened an investigation 4 weeks ago and a team is already there:

 

Statement of ICC Prosecutor, Karim A.A. Khan QC, on the Situation in Ukraine: Receipt of Referrals from 39 States Parties and the Opening of an Investigation:

 

"I have notified the ICC Presidency a few moments ago of my decision to immediately proceed with active investigations in the Situation. Our work in the collection of evidence has now commenced."

https://www.icc-cpi.int/Pages/item.aspx?name=2022-prosecutor-statement-referrals-ukraine

 

ICC prosecutor: Team leaves to investigate war crimes in Ukraine

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/icc-prosecutor-advance-team-has-left-begin-work-ukraine-investigation-2022-03-03/

 

Plenty of evidence collected and verified already

[Bkk Brian]

Nothing like murdering civilians then ransacking their homes. Take the loot back to Belarus and send back to Russia:

 

"Hello,darling,I looted, raped, tortured and killed in #Ukraine. But I am sending you a TV, air conditioners,e-scooters and other goods. I watched the 3-hour CCTV recording from a courier service in Mazyr, #Belarus. Russian servicemen send endless packages with what they stole"

 

 

More pics in the tweet

[ozimoron]

French Foreign Affairs Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian on Sunday condemned what he called the "massive abuses" committed by Russian forces" in Ukraine in recent weeks.

Le Drian highlighted the town of Bucha outside Kyiv, where Ukrainian authorities say a deliberate "massacre" was carried out by Russia.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/france-condemns-massive-abuses-committed-by-russian-forces-ukraine-2022-04-03/

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, ozimoron said:

I linked the support. Here's more:

 

The former chief prosecutor of United Nations war crimes tribunals for the former Yugoslavia and Rwanda has called for an international arrest warrant to be issued for Russian President Vladimir Putin.

“Putin is a war criminal,” Carla Del Ponte told the Swiss newspaper Le Temps in an interview published Saturday.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/02/prosecutor-arrest-warrant-putin-00022549

Oooh, I'll bet that has Putin shaking in his shoes. If a trial that will likely have no effect on Putin and a few other high ranking Russians is all that the west is going to do, I'm happy about that as WW3 will do no one any good whatsoever.

 

I just hope Biden sticks to sending some anti tank missiles and such like, as it he felt the need to actually do something militarily it'll be worse than the Cuban missile crisis IMO, and we were just lucky in that one.

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Why would the very experienced former prosecutor not matter? I'm sure many people listen to her advice.

Obviously the people that matter don't, as I don't see any sign of the Russians going home.

[rudi49jr]

27 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Obviously the people that matter don't, as I don't see any sign of the Russians going home.

Plenty of them going home in body bags. And maybe you haven’t noticed, but also plenty of them retreating, dumping their equipment, surrendering, defecting and/or deserting. Even that Chechen super squad, that was going to do Putin’s dirty work for him - like killing Zelensky and the rest of his cabinet - chickened out and retreated with their tails between their legs.

[friendofthai]

57 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

Plenty of them going home in body bags.[...]

How many? From ~1500 (from Russian sources) to ~15000(from Ukrainian sources)
And how many soldiers can Vlad mobiliZe? About 30 million soldiers (full mobiliZation).
15000 of 30 million is about 0.05%. This will not stop the true eastern leader.

Edited April 3, 2022 by friendofthai

[Jingthing]

21 minutes ago, friendofthai said:

How many? From ~1500 (from Russian sources) to ~15000(from Ukrainian sources)
And how many soldiers can Vlad mobiliZe? About 30 million soldiers (full mobiliZation).
15000 of 30 million is about 0.05%. This will not stop the true eastern leader.

No way. The Russian people are not that motivated. 

[friendofthai]

Just now, Jingthing said:

No way. The Russian people are not that motivated. 

You are right. Russian TV is already working on it. It is explaining that we cannot lose this war because Russia will be completely destroyed in this case.

[rudi49jr]

23 minutes ago, friendofthai said:

How many? From ~1500 (from Russian sources) to ~15000(from Ukrainian sources)
And how many soldiers can Vlad mobiliZe? About 30 million soldiers (full mobiliZation).
15000 of 30 million is about 0.05%. This will not stop the true eastern leader.

Do you enjoy using that capital Z in your little post? Troll. 

[RJRS1301]

3 hours ago, friendofthai said:

You are right. Russian TV is already working on it. It is explaining that we cannot lose this war because Russia will be completely destroyed in this case.

We can only hope for Zuch an outcome of DeZtruction of the pollical mechaniZms holding power currently 

[ozimoron]

The liberation of Bucha, northwest of Kyiv, was cause for celebration, but sickening pictures of what Russian troops left behind is shaking the world. After several weeks of Russian occupation, Ukrainian forces, reporters, and humanitarian groups arriving in the town found streets littered with civilian bodies, civilian mass graves, and evidence of mass civilian executions, of torture, and other war crimes. Some Russian vehicles destroyed as they tried to flee the region were loaded with looted civilian goods—a sign that even as Russia was readying for retreat, thievery remained at the top of individual unit agendas.

 

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/4/3/2089821/-Ukraine-update-Russian-retreats-leave-evidence-of-shocking-war-crimes