Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Negotiate?

You mean surrender.

Putin deserves nothing in Ukraine.

Of course surrender. How is it working out for all the dead and the displaced and those with no homes to return to? It's not as though Ukraine could defeat Russia, even if they do manage to stop the advance in Ukraine itself. If they won this time, do you think that would be the end of it?

It's not like Ukraine was never ruled by Russia, is it?

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, heybruce said:

How many countries in addition to Ukraine do you think should surrender when threatened by Putin?

 

34 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If not in NATO, any, unless they have loads of nukes.

Putin wants to recreate the Soviet Union.  That means capturing former USSR countries such as Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania, which are all NATO members. 

 

Do you think Russia will want to invade NATO members with nuclear weapons?

[heybruce]

42 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IN YOUR OPINION.

An opinion supported by Putin's invasion of Ukraine.

 

Your opinion is that Putin will push no further if he wins in Ukraine.  I know of no experts who share that opinion.

[metisdead]

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[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Of course surrender. How is it working out for all the dead and the displaced and those with no homes to return to? It's not as though Ukraine could defeat Russia, even if they do manage to stop the advance in Ukraine itself. If they won this time, do you think that would be the end of it?

It's not like Ukraine was never ruled by Russia, is it?

The freedoms and liberties Europeans enjoy today were paid for by those killed in the fight against the Axis, it’s not a fight that worked out well for those killed but millions did return home and for them and their descendants it worked out very well.

 

Why can’t Ukraine defeat Russia?

 

Yes, Russia has in the passed ‘ruled’ Ukraine, the Ukrainian’s don’t need reminding of how that worked out for them.

 

Nevertheless, the Russians are committed atrocities and war crimes to remind them.

 

Away with your support for appeasing a tyrant.

 

’Peace in our time’.

 

 

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2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Of course surrender. How is it working out for all the dead and the displaced and those with no homes to return to? It's not as though Ukraine could defeat Russia, even if they do manage to stop the advance in Ukraine itself. If they won this time, do you think that would be the end of it?

It's not like Ukraine was never ruled by Russia, is it?

Rumor has it that you're a shoo-in to win this year's Neville Chamberlain Prize.

[Kwasaki]

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

The implications are already global.

Yes just what Putin wanted.

[Kwasaki]

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Not following your logic. 

Nobody is happy that thanks to Putin there is now a small chance that we are in the nuclear end times, but that is the situation. 

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/tactical-nuclear-weapons-escalation-us-russia-war-animated-strike-map-2019-9?op=1

 

 

A terrifying new animation shows how 1 'tactical' nuclear weapon could trigger a US-Russia war that kills 34 million people in 5 hours

I reckon the nearest thing to nuclear will be Russia blowing a nuclear power station and blame it on Ukraine.

Now Russia has moved and concentrating eastwards the war is not going to be ending anytime soon.

[ozimoron]

8 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

I reckon the nearest thing to nuclear will be Russia blowing a nuclear power station and blame it on Ukraine.

Now Russia has moved and concentrating eastwards the war is not going to be ending anytime soon.

I agree. I think this war will drag on and sanctions will remain on Russia and continue to ratchet up as long as Russia keeps targeting civilians and stays in either the Crimea or Donbas regions. Eventually, Russia will have to cry "uncle". Biden was right when he said Putin must go even though the white house walked back the regime changing aspect. It's inconceivable that the west will now accommodate an indicted war criminal going forward. It's pretty much a foregone conclusion that he will be indicted by the ICC.

 

The western move away from reliance on Russian gas and oil is now a one way street regardless. In this respect, Putin has done his country a great disservice.

[Jingthing]

36 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

I reckon the nearest thing to nuclear will be Russia blowing a nuclear power station and blame it on Ukraine.

Now Russia has moved and concentrating eastwards the war is not going to be ending anytime soon.

It might last for years. 

[Bkk Brian]

12 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It might last for years. 

In the meantime NATO expands with Finland and Sweden.....lol

[Kwasaki]

16 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It might last for years. 

It's a weird war and cannot see an end only what will be will be. 

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

In the meantime NATO expands with Finland and Sweden.....lol

Putin the not great and not brilliant.

[jollyhangmon]

27 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Putin the not great and not brilliant.

 

... yep, has the eternal phrase to do a putin been coined already, equivalent to shooting one's own foot feet on a giant scale?

Now that would be an apt 'praise' for Vladolf, bet he'd love it, 555 ...

 

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1 hour ago, Kwasaki said:

Yes just what Putin wanted.

He may have wanted some implications to go global, but not the ones that have. Unless you think "Russia is a paper tiger" is what he wanted the world to believe.

[Chris.B]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

It might last for years. 

No way, Russia is running out of money and spare parts for it's military equipment. Wait to he stops paying his armies because he has no money.

 

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, Chris.B said:

No way, Russia is running out of money and spare parts for it's military equipment. Wait to he stops paying his armies because he has no money.

 

Still plenty of money from energy sales. If Putin clearly loses then he's toast. Strong man becomes weak loser so bye bye. But if he can hold on for a protracted war then he keeps his power. 

[Kwasaki]

41 minutes ago, placeholder said:

He may have wanted some implications to go global, but not the ones that have. Unless you think "Russia is a paper tiger" is what he wanted the world to believe.

What is not good is that something like 80% of Russians support Putin and they believe him even more that the west is evil also they can see his right by all the sanctions being implemented.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

What is not good is that something like 80% of Russians support Putin and they believe him even more that the west is evil also they can see his right by all the sanctions being implemented.

Putin has 100% control over news, media and education and backs it all up with a network of secret police and spies.

 

80% isn’t under those circumstances such a high number.

 

However, he does have the backing of foreign apologists and apeaseniks.

[Chris.B]

Well done Boris! 

 

Boris in Kiev

 

[rudi49jr]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Still plenty of money from energy sales.

Where does all that money go to, though? Doesn’t most of it flow right into the pockets of the oligarchs?

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, rudi49jr said:

Where does all that money go to, though? Doesn’t most of it flow right into the pockets of the oligarchs?

Putin is very very motivated to win or at least have a way to fake a win. He loses he's finished. Ukraine is an existential threat to Putin. A protracted war at least keeps him going. Putin as dictator will do almost anything or even anything to stay in power. He'll find the money.

[Chris.B]

17 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Putin is very very motivated to win or at least have a way to fake a win. He loses he's finished. Ukraine is an existential threat to Putin. A protracted war at least keeps him going. Putin as dictator will do almost anything or even anything to stay in power. He'll find the money.

How? Sell a couple of yachts? ????

 

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, Chris.B said:

How? Sell a couple of yachts? ????

 

Energy.

[Kwasaki]

1 minute ago, Chris.B said:

How? Sell a couple of yachts? ????

 

Money from oil and gas is still being paid since the war,  Germany for one is heavily dependant on gas from Russia.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, Kwasaki said:

Money from oil and gas is still being paid since the war,  Germany for one is heavily dependant on gas from Russia.

Yes unfortunately.

Its blood money but German leaders don't have much choice at this time. The pain of sanctions goes both ways.

[heybruce]

44 minutes ago, Chris.B said:

How? Sell a couple of yachts? ????

 

Oligarchs in Russia play by Putin's rules or else...

 

If Putin tells them to pay massive amounts of "tax", they will.

[thaibeachlovers]

11 hours ago, Jingthing said:

So Zelinsky isn't brave enough for you? That really takes the cake.  Its feeling like your taking the <deleted>.

??????????????? Is he in the front lines?

I have no idea how one can be brave if not in the line of fire.

Like most leaders he seems to be leading from miles and miles behind the lines, but perhaps you can inform me how many tanks he has destroyed, and how many Russians he's killed if that's wrong.

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, Chris.B said:

No way, Russia is running out of money and spare parts for it's military equipment. Wait to he stops paying his armies because he has no money.

 

Reported on Al Jazeera today that Putin wants the gas and oil paid for in roubles or he turns off the taps. I'll make a wild guess and say that European countries that depend on Russian energy will pay up.

Also on Al Jazeera that Germany can't transition away from Russian energy as it doesn't have the infrastructure to do so and won't till 2024.

Seems they didn't consider how being dependent on Russia might not be a good idea.

[Jingthing]

14 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

??????????????? Is he in the front lines?

I have no idea how one can be brave if not in the line of fire.

Like most leaders he seems to be leading from miles and miles behind the lines, but perhaps you can inform me how many tanks he has destroyed, and how many Russians he's killed if that's wrong.

I can't take your comments seriously.