Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[Gweiloman]

48 minutes ago, DezLez said:

No. Russia does not! It veto's them!

 

The UN imposed sanctions on the Dictator's invasion as did many countries, some of which are members of NATO. some are not.  Read the link I provided.

 

I also suggest you read up on the purpose of NATO; (and the UN)

NATO is a collective security system: its independent member states agree to defend each other against attacks by third parties; It is NOT there to invade other countries unless a member state has been invaded.

 

The key section of the treaty is Article 5.  It commits each member state to consider an armed attack against one member state, in Europe or North America, to be an armed attack against them all.  

 

NATO is an alliance of 30 sovereign states and their individual sovereignty is unaffected by participation in the alliance. NATO has no parliaments, no laws, no enforcement, and no power to punish individual citizens.

 

There is no such thing as a NATO sanctions in this current situation!

 

 

 

 

You didn’t provide any links.

 

I think you may be wrong about the sanctions. From this article, https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_37750.htm?, it sounds to me that it’s NATO that sanctioned Russia. Also, many countries that are members of the UN are not sanctioning Russia which, from what I understand, will breach UN rules.

 

 

[Gweiloman]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Calling Putin's bluff. Following on from 12 ships yesterday, today 3 more grain ships left Ukraine ports, despite Russia suspending backing of the scheme. UN coordinating centre says ships movement was agreed by #Ukraine, Turkey & UN, while Russia was "informed." LOL

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63467042

 

Russia is ready to return to "grain deal" and allow bringing grain out of Ukraine if Kyiv guarantees the safety of the Black Sea Fleet in Crimea, - Russian media

 

 

Yes, it’s good that Russia is not blockading Odessa and letting the ships through and not stopping them.

 

I came across something rather interesting. Apparently, out of the 9 million tons exported so far, the top 4 countries receiving the grain is Spain, Turkey, China and Italy. The world food program has only received 60,000 tons (a mere fraction) for Yemen and Ethiopia (countries with a high level of food insecurity). Seems unbalanced to me.

 

 Around the 7 min mark

[heybruce]

22 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Yes, it’s good that Russia is not blockading Odessa and letting the ships through and not stopping them.

 

I came across something rather interesting. Apparently, out of the 9 million tons exported so far, the top 4 countries receiving the grain is Spain, Turkey, China and Italy. The world food program has only received 60,000 tons (a mere fraction) for Yemen and Ethiopia (countries with a high level of food insecurity). Seems unbalanced to me.

 

 Around the 7 min mark

Ukrainian farmers are in the farming business, not charity business.  Because of Russia's invasion these farmers are in dire financial condition.  So of course they sell to whoever can pay the market price.

 

Grain supplied in large quantities anywhere in the world will lower prices globally, benefiting all who rely on grain purchases, be they impoverished nations or organizations feeding impoverished people.

 

BTW:  How much grain is Russia donating to starving nations?

[DezLez]

22 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

I think you may be wrong about the sanctions.

I think you have a total lack of understanding of the difference between  words and acronyms!

From your link;

"Since Russia’s full-scale invasion in 2022, NATO and Allies have provided unprecedented levels of support."

NATO does not state it has imposed sanctions but does state it's allies have!

[DezLez]

33 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

You didn’t provide any links.

You responded to a quote responding to my links.

 

You have become such a boring and repetitive troll that I am finished trying to provide FACTS to you at this time of day.

 

[tgw]

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/01/politics/iran-missiles-russia/index.html

Iran is preparing to send additional weapons including ballistic missiles to Russia to use in Ukraine

Someone please shutdown Iran.

[Gweiloman]

8 minutes ago, DezLez said:

You responded to a quote responding to my links.

 

You have become such a boring and repetitive troll that I am finished trying to provide FACTS to you at this time of day.

 

Except that you haven’t provided any facts, just inaccuracies.

 

No worries, I know where to file your posts.

[BarraMarra]

39 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Ukrainian farmers are in the farming business, not charity business.  Because of Russia's invasion these farmers are in dire financial condition.  So of course they sell to whoever can pay the market price.

 

Grain supplied in large quantities anywhere in the world will lower prices globally, benefiting all who rely on grain purchases, be they impoverished nations or organizations feeding impoverished people.

 

BTW:  How much grain is Russia donating to starving nations?

Non heybruce there stealing grain and transporting it back to Russia.

[DezLez]

1 hour ago, tgw said:

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/01/politics/iran-missiles-russia/index.html

Iran is preparing to send additional w70'seapons including ballistic missiles to Russia to use in Ukraine

Someone please shutdown Iran.

Iran will be returning either the duff Scud B's the USSR sold them or the knock of Shahabs they got from North Korea!

 

They work well!   Give or take a 450m CEP if they don't fall back on the launch crew.  ????

 

PS; CEP definition; Circular error probable - Wikipedia

 

[heybruce]

24 minutes ago, DezLez said:

Iran will be returning either the duff Scud B's the USSR sold them or the knock of Shahabs they got from North Korea!

 

They work well!   Give or take a 450m CEP if they don't fall back on the launch crew.  ????

 

PS; CEP definition; Circular error probable - Wikipedia

 

A 450m CEP greatly limits their military usefulness but still allows them to be effective terror weapons against civilians.  I don't know how effective Ukraine's air defense systems will be against them.

 

In Iran some very brave, justifiably angry women are attempting to overthrow the regime.  I wish them the best of luck. 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 11/1/2022 at 5:21 AM, Gweiloman said:

End result, more bombing in Kyiv, leaving more parts without power or electricity. Not a winning strategy for Ukraine but maybe for another country.

Also parts without water, according to Al Jazeera news item yesterday.

[thaibeachlovers]

13 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

If I was Zelensky I would place long-range missiles I had just thrown the Russians out close to the Russian border, and I would start raining missiles down on Russian towns and Russian Citys in retaliation for what Putin is doing in Ukraine.

and Putin would destroy Ukrainian cities in retaliation. Is that what you want? We've seen that happen before in history. Doesn't end well for non nuclear armed country.

[thaibeachlovers]

12 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

We in the UK did not bomb and kill the Falkland islanders or smash their infrastructure we took on the Argentine army on the ground, not civilians.

Are you aware that the Falkland Islanders were British, not Argentinians?

You need a better example.

[bannork]

The insanity of RT participants continues. Russians will be zoo exhibits. 

Hopefully behind bars in some cases in The Hague.

 

[Bkk Brian]

8 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

Yes, it’s good that Russia is not blockading Odessa and letting the ships through and not stopping them.

 

I came across something rather interesting. Apparently, out of the 9 million tons exported so far, the top 4 countries receiving the grain is Spain, Turkey, China and Italy. The world food program has only received 60,000 tons (a mere fraction) for Yemen and Ethiopia (countries with a high level of food insecurity). Seems unbalanced to me.

 

 Around the 7 min mark

Russia halted participation in the grain corridor for what it claims was a drone attack carried out with UK specialists (no evidence of course), nothing to do the destination of the ships. 

 

Seems to have been a plus move....lol

Record Volumes Of Grain Leaving Ukraine Ports Despite Russia's Withdrawal From Export Agreement

[LosLobo]

9 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

and Putin would destroy Ukrainian cities in retaliation. Is that what you want? We've seen that happen before in history. Doesn't end well for non nuclear armed country.

Yes, History is a cruel master. Ukraine has also seen what happened before.

 

The Holodomor Genocide comes to mind, where the Ukrainians wanted to resist Russian dominance and possibly lost one third of their population.

They did not have the means to resist then but have now.

 

I suggest that to them anything to a avoid repeat of this history is on the cards.

 

Holodomor - Wikipedia

[BarraMarra]

9 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Are you aware that the Falkland Islanders were British, not Argentinians?

You need a better example.

Doesn't matter if it's a small country or a big country you cannot invade a sovereign country and take it over. As posted earlier if we had no spine we may now be speaking German.

[Gweiloman]

Ukraine is seeking the assistance of the United States in pressuring Israel to supply it with military aid, Kyiv’s envoy to Jerusalem told US media on Sunday.

 

This will drag the ME into a war that no one (except possibly Zelensky) wants. The war is currently limited to Europe which is fortunate for Asia but if the ME gets involved as well, it could quickly get out of hand.

 

I hope Israel will stand firm.

[Mavideol]

12 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Ukraine is seeking the assistance of the United States in pressuring Israel to supply it with military aid, Kyiv’s envoy to Jerusalem told US media on Sunday.

 

This will drag the ME into a war that no one (except possibly Zelensky) wants. The war is currently limited to Europe which is fortunate for Asia but if the ME gets involved as well, it could quickly get out of hand.

 

I hope Israel will stand firm.

isn't Iran involved supplying Russia weapons already... please clarify where is Iran located

[Bkk Brian]

42 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Ukraine is seeking the assistance of the United States in pressuring Israel to supply it with military aid, Kyiv’s envoy to Jerusalem told US media on Sunday.

 

This will drag the ME into a war that no one (except possibly Zelensky) wants. The war is currently limited to Europe which is fortunate for Asia but if the ME gets involved as well, it could quickly get out of hand.

 

I hope Israel will stand firm.

Israel to give Ukraine military communication systems - report

Korniychuck did welcome Israeli aid "on some technical issues related to defense," pointing to promises by Israeli officials to provide an advanced warning system to help alert civilians of incoming attacks, but pushed that "we are expecting more from Israel of course."

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-721137

 

Not surprising Israel is softening its approach after comments made by Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov. Putin’s top diplomat sought to justify Moscow’s absurd goal of “de-Nazifying” Ukraine – a baseless portrayal of the country, which is led by a Jewish president – by claiming Adolf Hitler had “Jewish blood” and that “the most ardent anti-Semites are usually Jews.”

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/04/middleeast/israel-russia-lavrov-comments-mime-intl/index.html

[Rimmer]

A baiting troll post and replies have been removed,

[Phoenix Rising]

58 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Ukraine is seeking the assistance of the United States in pressuring Israel to supply it with military aid, Kyiv’s envoy to Jerusalem told US media on Sunday.

 

This will drag the ME into a war that no one (except possibly Zelensky) wants. The war is currently limited to Europe which is fortunate for Asia but if the ME gets involved as well, it could quickly get out of hand.

 

I hope Israel will stand firm.

Why don't you say what you really mean, namely that you want Putin to win and Ukraine to lose quickly.

[Gweiloman]

1 minute ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Why don't you say what you really mean, namely that you want Putin to win and Ukraine to lose quickly.

I would like the war to end quickly. The consequences (high energy prices, food prices etc) are affecting my friends and family in the UK and Europe. Also, my former colleagues in the travel industry has had their business affected.

 

It doesn’t matter to me who wins or lose.

[Phoenix Rising]

13 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

I would like the war to end quickly. The consequences (high energy prices, food prices etc) are affecting my friends and family in the UK and Europe. Also, my former colleagues in the travel industry has had their business affected.

 

It doesn’t matter to me who wins or lose.

Wow, and there we have it.

[rudi49jr]

13 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

I would like the war to end quickly.

There is one very simple way to stop this war: Russia can withdraw from Ukraine. That would end the war very quickly, wouldn’t it? I mean, Ukraine has no interest in invading Russia, and neither does NATO or the US. If Russia withdraws from Ukraine, it could all be over in a matter of days.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Wow, and there we have it.

Yea, despicable I know. A clear lack of morals

[rudi49jr]

3 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

I would like the war to end quickly. The consequences (high energy prices, food prices etc) are affecting my friends and family in the UK and Europe. Also, my former colleagues in the travel industry has had their business affected.

 

It doesn’t matter to me who wins or lose.

Oh dear, that must be so terrible for you and your friends and family, to be inconvenienced like that! How you must suffer, it’s just too horrible for words! Never mind the tens of thousands of people who died because of Russia’s brutal aggression and many war crimes, all those lives destroyed because a tiny fascist dictator had a hissy fit and can’t back down anymore. Wow, you’re really showing your true colors here, dude. 

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[candide]

1 hour ago, Black Ops said:

 

Obviously, he's not a coward like Putin, who would never go near the frontline.

[ballpoint]

57 minutes ago, candide said:

Obviously, he's not a coward like Putin, who would never go near the frontline.

Putin would never go near the front of the table, let alone the front line.