Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, sirineou said:

Apparently we have a different definition of what is and is not civilian.

IMO things that are in the military are military assets, and all the rest are civilian.

I appreciate you engaging me in this conversation and keeping it civil. . And apologize for my unwillingness to get into a debate about all the arguable aspects of this issue, 

Knowing what I know about this issue, which IMO is considerable, I have come to a conclusion , and you knowing what you know , which also could be more ,or less, perhaps have come to a different conclusion.

Who is to say who is right?  I like it to be me but I am sure you feel the same 

  

"The building that was hit is known as the "IQ quarter", which houses the ministry of economic development, the digital ministry and the ministry of industry and trade."  https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/drones-target-moscow-high-rise-building-hit-2023-08-01/

 

Two ministries responsible for Russia's wartime economy and one responsible for censorship and propaganda.

 

Had Russia limited itself to only military targets in Ukraine your argument might make sense.  However these ministries are much more legitimate targets than Ukraine's power infrastructure, grain supplies and port facilities, which Russia has actively and unapologetically targeted.

[heybruce]

2 minutes ago, sirineou said:

What argument? I just asked a simple question. 

You are the one who is making arguments. 

There is no sharp dividing line between military and civilian targets once a nation's economy has been directed to supporting a war. 

 

My argument is that these Moscow ministries are more legitimate "military" targets than Ukraine's power, port and grain storage facilities.

 

There is also a precedent of reciprocity in war:  If one side intentionally targets civilians and civilian infrastructure the other side can respond in kind.  Russia has been getting away with massive war crimes since the start of its "special military operation" BS.  Ukraine has a right to do the same, but so far has shown incredible restraint.

[NextG]

1 hour ago, sirineou said:

What argument? I just asked a simple question. 

You are the one who is making arguments. 

Let’s not derail the thread with entirely pointless argument. He’s answered your question. You don’t like the answer. Move on. It’s a thread for the sharing of information, rather than your personal enmity. 

[Rimmer]

 

Continual bickering posts and replies have been removed, as already mentioned topic is primarily about sharing information on the on going war in Ukraine

[Bkk Brian]

The UK Storm Shadow's being put to good use:

 

Ukraine strikes key Crimea bridges with Storm Shadow missiles

 

 

Storm Shadow missiles struck key bridges linking Crimea with occupied Ukraine, as Kyiv and Moscow traded long-range attacks.

 

Sergei Aksyonov, the Russian-installed head of Crimea, said the British-supplied cruise missiles damaged the Chongar bridge, which spans a short stretch of water separating the peninsula from the Kherson region.

 

“The enemy launched a missile attack near the Chongar bridge,” Mr Aksyonov said.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/08/06/ukraine-strikes-crimea-storm-shadow-missiles/

https://archive.ph/uZmw5

[LosLobo]

12 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The UK Storm Shadow's being put to good use:

 

Ukraine strikes key Crimea bridges with Storm Shadow missiles

 

 

Storm Shadow missiles struck key bridges linking Crimea with occupied Ukraine, as Kyiv and Moscow traded long-range attacks.

 

Sergei Aksyonov, the Russian-installed head of Crimea, said the British-supplied cruise missiles damaged the Chongar bridge, which spans a short stretch of water separating the peninsula from the Kherson region.

 

“The enemy launched a missile attack near the Chongar bridge,” Mr Aksyonov said.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/08/06/ukraine-strikes-crimea-storm-shadow-missiles/

https://archive.ph/uZmw5

 

[rabas]

 

Amazing video of a Ukrainian IR drone attacking a mighty Russian T90 tank, in the dark. After being hit, the tank runs at top speed as the drone follows dropping more grenades, eventually disabling the poor tank before blowing it to smithereens.

 

Wait for the final frame. The last blast was so big, the brave little drone probably didn't make it back. Job well done Ukraine.

 

 

 

[rabas]

On a more serious note, a Ukrainian 'official' advises Russia on Black Sea safety.

 

 

In truth, she's very active in many war related humanitarian projects tirelessly caring for children and raising money. Amazing people.

[LosLobo]

Sadly, a recent poll suggests support for Ukraine is waning in the US......

 

'Overall, 55% say the US Congress should not authorize additional funding to support Ukraine vs. 45% who say Congress should authorize such funding. 

 

CNN Poll: Majority of Americans oppose more US aid for Ukraine in war with Russia | CNN Politics

 

Republican POTUS candidate Vivek Ramaswamy is suggesting than Joe Biden's support for Ukraine is only because of Hunter Biden.

 

'The purpose of the U.S. military [is] to advance American interests, to protect the homeland. Not to aimlessly fight some random war that’s arguably a repayment for a private bribe that a family member of the United States received, $5 million from Burisma.'

 

Vivek Ramaswamy suggests U.S. may be aiding Ukraine because of Hunter Biden (nbcnews.com)

[tgw]

1 hour ago, LosLobo said:

Sadly, a recent poll suggests support for Ukraine is waning in the US......

 

'Overall, 55% say the US Congress should not authorize additional funding to support Ukraine vs. 45% who say Congress should authorize such funding. 

 

CNN Poll: Majority of Americans oppose more US aid for Ukraine in war with Russia | CNN Politics

 

Republican POTUS candidate Vivek Ramaswamy is suggesting than Joe Biden's support for Ukraine is only because of Hunter Biden.

 

'The purpose of the U.S. military [is] to advance American interests, to protect the homeland. Not to aimlessly fight some random war that’s arguably a repayment for a private bribe that a family member of the United States received, $5 million from Burisma.'

 

Vivek Ramaswamy suggests U.S. may be aiding Ukraine because of Hunter Biden (nbcnews.com)

 

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, LosLobo said:

Sadly, a recent poll suggests support for Ukraine is waning in the US......

 

'Overall, 55% say the US Congress should not authorize additional funding to support Ukraine vs. 45% who say Congress should authorize such funding. 

 

CNN Poll: Majority of Americans oppose more US aid for Ukraine in war with Russia | CNN Politics

 

Republican POTUS candidate Vivek Ramaswamy is suggesting than Joe Biden's support for Ukraine is only because of Hunter Biden.

 

'The purpose of the U.S. military [is] to advance American interests, to protect the homeland. Not to aimlessly fight some random war that’s arguably a repayment for a private bribe that a family member of the United States received, $5 million from Burisma.'

 

Vivek Ramaswamy suggests U.S. may be aiding Ukraine because of Hunter Biden (nbcnews.com)

Vivek, another Trumpist sleazeball.

The idea that Biden supports  Ukraine's fight for survival against genocidal Putin is related to his son's issues is truly ridiculous,

[pegman]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Vivek, another Trumpist sleazeball.

The idea that Biden supports  Ukraine's fight for survival against genocidal Putin is related to his son's issues is truly ridiculous,

I agree. It seems to me that the American Neo-Con's control of USA foreign policy is the root of what has taken place. How else can Vicky Nuland of the infamous Kagan Clan being placed into the #2 spot at the State Dept be explained? These are the same bunch that convinced so many about WMD in Iraq. 

[LosLobo]

 

 

 

 

[rabas]

Important video about the Ukraine war effort.

 

It's short so you need to look closely at important details (I watched a few times). The monument at 0.06 is dated 1941-1945 (WW2) and note the red/black flag unfurled with the Ukrainian flag. The red/black flag denotes the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) that engaged in guerrilla warfare against the Soviet Union, Communist Poland, and Nazi Germany.  see here

 

"The UPA systematically sent agents, mainly young women, into the enemy-occupied territory .. ". 

 

 

[LosLobo]

The Big Crimean Beach party is nigh.....

 

 

Ukraine fires missiles at Kerch Bridge connecting Crimea to Russia | Ukraine | The Guardian

[LosLobo]

More on general Crimea attack along with Kerch Bridge detail....

 

 

[LosLobo]

Interesting new drone video from last month's successful attack on Kerch Bridge.....

 

 

[ExpatOilWorker]

The orcs are on fire ????. 

 

[Mavideol]

5 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

The orcs are on fire ????. 

 

you are correct and this ones were burned to death.... 35 less Orcs to worry about

Thirty-five killed in Russia petrol station blast

https://au.yahoo.com/news/petrol-station-blast-southern-russia-064705770.html

 

 

 

[Mavideol]

while in the UK the chase for Orcs spies keeps going well

 

Three people ‘suspected of spying for Russia’ arrested in major UK police sting

https://au.yahoo.com/news/three-people-suspected-spying-russia-115735662.html

[Mavideol]

Ukraine tests homemade demining machine

https://au.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-tests-homemade-demining-machine-185131710.html

[Bkk Brian]

‘We lost!’: Russia admits defeat as Ukraine makes major gain in counter offensive push

 

Russian forces defending a major flashpoint on the frontline have admitted a rare defeat as Ukrainian officials claimed their soldiers had “entrenched” themselves in the village.

Urozhaine, near the Zaporizhzhia/Donetsk border, has been the site of heavy tank battles for weeks as Ukrainian forces looked to accelerate their counter offensive.

The liberation of Urozhaine amounts to a major breakthrough for Ukraine as they look to proceed down the spine of the Russian fortifications to the Sea of Azov.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1802734/Russia-defeat-Ukraine-counter-offensive

[tgw]

9 hours ago, LosLobo said:

Interesting new drone video from last month's successful attack on Kerch Bridge.....

 

 

 

Budanov is a first class troll, I'm glad he's on our side !

 

https://twitter.com/golub/status/1689540866300362752

 

https://twitter.com/United24media/status/1667860271354748928

 

*somehow my twitter link / embed doesn't get picked up by the forum software

[Tug]

13 hours ago, LosLobo said:

Interesting new drone video from last month's successful attack on Kerch Bridge.....

 

 

They are very creative with this discipline personally I’d like them to develop something along the lines of a semi submersible drone with a much much bigger warhead more akin to the Japanese long lance of ww2 something that really packs a wallop!drop a span or 2 of Putin’s bridge !

[Bkk Brian]

This Humvee saved their lives when it hit a landmine.

 

 

[jvs]

So Mercedes Benz has decided to not service cars in russia anymore?

Great news,no more update for the cars will mean a Lada will be saver to drive?

Great news and this will really affect the people in government.

 

[LosLobo]

Another drone attack in Moscow today......

 

Drone attack hits building in central Moscow - BBC News

 

 

[Mavideol]

On 8/18/2023 at 2:22 PM, LosLobo said:

Another drone attack in Moscow today......

 

Drone attack hits building in central Moscow - BBC News

 

 

Vlad is wetting his pants on both (front & back) sides 555 ... he instructed his cronies to close all 4 airports in Moscow

 

Moscow briefly shuts all major airports after alleged drone attack

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/18/europe/russia-drone-moscow-airports-shut-intl/index.html

[Bkk Brian]

More disgusting war crimes. Get those long range weapons to Ukraine now!

 

 

[rudi49jr]

19 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

More disgusting war crimes. Get those long range weapons to Ukraine now!

 

 

This was one of the victims, a six year old girl who would have started school in just a few days.