Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, johng said:

And predictably he will act all surprised and outraged if/when Russia targets British-supplied weapons whilst they are still in Britain.

That's about as ridiculous as saying that Ukraine will target North Korea or Iran who supply weapons for Russia to use

[jvs]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seems we have been hearing for a very long time on this subforum as how Russia is running out of men, money and ammunition, and Zelensky will be marching into the Kremlin in just a few weeks. LOL.

( that last bit was satirical, for the humour devoid ).

 

At the moment, it is Ukraine that is running out of men, money and ammunition.

There is lots of information about this,russia had a lot of money in the beginning of this war but they are running out.

At the moment there are big transports of material and ammo being sent to the front,what russia is doing right now is throwing a lot of bodies into the fight.

The frontline is littered with dead Russians in places.

Zelensky has no plans to enter Russia at all,he just wants the Russian army to go home.

 

[Gweiloman]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

That's about as ridiculous as saying that Ukraine will target North Korea or Iran who supply weapons for Russia to use

America would do that in a jiffy if they thought they could get away with it.

 

1 hour ago, johng said:

And predictably he will act all surprised and outraged if/when Russia targets British-supplied weapons whilst they are still in Britain.

Much as this would be nice, Russia has proven itself to be more abiding with international law than some others. Targeting the weapons inside of Britain would probably also invoke Article 5. Not that NATO can really do much about it as the Russian army is very proficient in fighting with shovels but this would lose Russia the moral high ground (in the real world, not the make believe world that some posters reside in).

 

What will be interesting is where the F-16s will take off from. No chance they will be based in Ukraine as the airfields will just be destroyed.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Gweiloman said:

America would do that in a jiffy if they thought they could get away with it.

 

Much as this would be nice, Russia has proven itself to be more abiding with international law than some others. Targeting the weapons inside of Britain would probably also invoke Article 5. Not that NATO can really do much about it as the Russian army is very proficient in fighting with shovels but this would lose Russia the moral high ground (in the real world, not the make believe world that some posters reside in).

 

What will be interesting is where the F-16s will take off from. No chance they will be based in Ukraine as the airfields will just be destroyed.

Much as this would be nice, Russia has proven itself to be more abiding with international law than some others.

 

The invasion of Ukraine was illegal under international law 

[Gweiloman]

4 minutes ago, jvs said:

There is lots of information about this,russia had a lot of money in the beginning of this war but they are running out.

At the moment there are big transports of material and ammo being sent to the front,what russia is doing right now is throwing a lot of bodies into the fight.

The frontline is littered with dead Russians in places.

Zelensky has no plans to enter Russia at all,he just wants the Russian army to go home.

 

Strange why, when such a claim is made by those that you and your buddies disagree with, there is a HUGE clamour for links to substantiate it but when such a fantabulous claim is made by those in support of the western narrative, there is dead silence.

 

Hypocrisy, as expected and normal for those who are rabidly anti Russia.

[Hummin]

4 minutes ago, jvs said:

There is lots of information about this,russia had a lot of money in the beginning of this war but they are running out.

At the moment there are big transports of material and ammo being sent to the front,what russia is doing right now is throwing a lot of bodies into the fight.

The frontline is littered with dead Russians in places.

Zelensky has no plans to enter Russia at all,he just wants the Russian army to go home.

 

It is all depending on China, and what they choose to do now facing new Embargoes from Usa.

 

A turning point is if Usa and Britain continue to deliver more of the long distance missiles such as Himars, and can strike supply lines and training bases in Russia. 

 

Still Nato countries hesitate to deliver enough high tech weapons, and weapons fast enough. Trust have been the problem since the start of the conflict to deliver high tech that could land in hands of russia.

[Gweiloman]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Much as this would be nice, Russia has proven itself to be more abiding with international law than some others.

 

The invasion of Ukraine was illegal under international law 

Did I say that this “invasion” was legal? There has been many other invasions by other countries that were also illegal under international law but we are not going down the whataboutism route.

[Gweiloman]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

It is all depending on China, and what they choose to do now facing new Embargoes from Usa.

 

A turning point is if Usa and Britain continue to deliver more of the long distance missiles such as Himars, and can strike supply lines and training bases in Russia. 

 

Still Nato countries hesitate to deliver enough high tech weapons, and weapons fast enough. Trust have been the problem since the start of the conflict to deliver high tech that could land in hands of russia.

It may not be just a question of hesitation. It could also be a problem of availability.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Gweiloman said:

Did I say that this “invasion” was legal? There has been many other invasions by other countries that were also illegal under international law but we are not going down the whataboutism route.

No, but you did say this:

 

9 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Much as this would be nice, Russia has proven itself to be more abiding with international law than some others. 

 

Which makes no sense when this is a topic about Russia's illegal invasion of Ukraine.

 

Can you also provide evidence that Russia "has proven itself to be more abiding with international law than some others."

[Gweiloman]

Some peeps seem permanently confused. Looking at who’s browsing at the moment, I have a fair idea whom lol

[Gweiloman]

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

 

Can you also provide evidence that Russia "has proven itself to be more abiding with international law than some others."

You are not interested in evidence that doesn’t suit your narrative, so no.

 

Why don’t you ask your buddy above to provide evidence of his fantasy claim?

[jvs]

10 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Strange why, when such a claim is made by those that you and your buddies disagree with, there is a HUGE clamour for links to substantiate it but when such a fantabulous claim is made by those in support of the western narrative, there is dead silence.

 

Hypocrisy, as expected and normal for those who are rabidly anti Russia.

Since you are so smart i will not provide you with links because you can do your own research!

Fantabulous claim?

I have never asked anyone for a link here,there is plenty of info on the net.

Yes i still think Putin is the one who started this and he is the only one(besides Trump of course lol)

who can stop this in 24 hours.

Yes you are probably right about hypocrisy,it is all around!

[Bkk Brian]

11 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

You are not interested in evidence that doesn’t suit your narrative, so no.

 

Why don’t you ask your buddy above to provide evidence of his fantasy claim?

 

You claimed Russia "has proven itself to be more abiding with international law than some others."

 

then provide evidence or stop making things up.

[ChicagoExpat]

22 hours ago, jas007 said:

The USA has been trying to provoke Russia for years.  But for CIA and State Department meddling, none of this would have happened the way it did.  Look up Victoria Nuland. They have her scheming on a taped phone call. So yes, the biggest danger to the world. How some people seem to think that WW III would be a good idea escapes me.  Where are the responsible adults?  
 

 

This is all such nonsense.  Yes, of course she was discussing strategy and plans.  She would have been negligent in her job as a diplomat if she didn't.

 

Again it's the constant references to WW3, and nuclear war, etc -- all right out of the Kremlin's talking points.  The only party in this conversation that started the war is the one saying "Allow us to invade whom we please or you'll provoke conflict."  @jas007, you and other Russian simps are the only ones who take this seriously, if you actually do.  Russia doesn't.  They know exactly what they're doing.

[Hummin]

20 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

It may not be just a question of hesitation. It could also be a problem of availability.

Thats also a bottle neck, but there is no doubt cia and other intelligence agencies have warned about giving high tech weapons, therefor Obama was criticized for not delivering weapons to Ukraine. 

 

Still the missiles have only a reach of 300km only which is the latest delivery of Himars 

[Gweiloman]

24 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

 

You claimed Russia "has proven itself to be more abiding with international law than some others."

 

then provide evidence or stop making things up.

The hubris, telling me to stop making things up lol.
 

I don’t make things up. I post my opinions and conclusions. No issue for me if you disagree with them. Life, and truth, does not revolve around links, particularly those from the western msm.

 

I noticed that you still haven’t asked @jvs to provide any evidence. Like I said, hypocrisy.

[GroveHillWanderer]

49 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Strange why, when such a claim is made by those that you and your buddies disagree with, there is a HUGE clamour for links to substantiate it but when such a fantabulous claim is made by those in support of the western narrative, there is dead silence.

 

Hypocrisy, as expected and normal for those who are rabidly anti Russia.

 

A couple of links: 

 

Russia 'struggling with supply of weapons and ammunition' for Ukraine war - Western officials

 

"Russia is struggling to provide ammunition and weapons for its war in Ukraine, according to Western officials.

 

It is facing "extreme challenges" in obtaining sufficient equipment and material, an official said."

 

Declassified US Intelligence Reveals Massive Russian Losses in Ukraine

 

"Newly declassified U.S. intelligence indicates Russia has suffered from some staggering losses as a result of its nearly two-year-old invasion of Ukraine, including major setbacks during its latest offensive."

[Gweiloman]

39 minutes ago, jvs said:

Since you are so smart i will not provide you with links because you can do your own research!

Fantabulous claim?

I have never asked anyone for a link here,there is plenty of info on the net.

Yes i still think Putin is the one who started this and he is the only one(besides Trump of course lol)

who can stop this in 24 hours.

Yes you are probably right about hypocrisy,it is all around!

All the research I have done point to your claims being mere fantasies and hopes. Western media have made many claims, most of which have turned out to be false. So excuse me if I don’t believe anything the western msm claims.

 

You give Putin too much credit. There are others (not the orange man) who can stop this but unfortunately for Ukraine, it’s not in the interests of the puppet masters.

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

The hubris, telling me to stop making things up lol.
 

I don’t make things up. I post my opinions and conclusions. No issue for me if you disagree with them. Life, and truth, does not revolve around links, particularly those from the western msm.

 

I noticed that you still haven’t asked @jvs to provide any evidence. Like I said, hypocrisy.

Deflection from your false claim

[jvs]

7 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

All the research I have done point to your claims being mere fantasies and hopes. Western media have made many claims, most of which have turned out to be false. So excuse me if I don’t believe anything the western msm claims.

 

You give Putin too much credit. There are others (not the orange man) who can stop this but unfortunately for Ukraine, it’s not in the interests of the puppet masters.

If you need a link from a Russian economist let me know,i hate to see you struggle to find any real info.

Isn't fantasy and hope all you have?besides news from Kremlin controlled sources?

[Gweiloman]

3 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

 

A couple of links: 

 

Russia 'struggling with supply of weapons and ammunition' for Ukraine war - Western officials

 

"Russia is struggling to provide ammunition and weapons for its war in Ukraine, according to Western officials.

 

It is facing "extreme challenges" in obtaining sufficient equipment and material, an official said."

 

Declassified US Intelligence Reveals Massive Russian Losses in Ukraine

 

"Newly declassified U.S. intelligence indicates Russia has suffered from some staggering losses as a result of its nearly two-year-old invasion of Ukraine, including major setbacks during its latest offensive."

From your link above:

 

Previous predictions that Russia was about to run out of missiles or other weapons have not always proved correct.

 

Also from bbc:

Ukraine war: Russian reservists fighting with shovels - UK defence ministry

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64855760

 

and

War in Ukraine: Is Russia’s stock of weapons running low?

14 October 2022

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-63247287

Note the date.

 

Forgive me if I don’t pay much heed to “links” as some so desperately needs.

 

One other thing you might like to consider. Do you honestly believe that the west will say that Russia is winning even if that’s the truth? 

[Gweiloman]

4 minutes ago, jvs said:

If you need a link from a Russian economist let me know,i hate to see you struggle to find any real info.

Isn't fantasy and hope all you have?besides news from Kremlin controlled sources?

Actually, there are many WESTERN economists, analysts and experts who says that Ukraine will lose. But of course, their personal characters (and not their expertise) will be demeaned by the pseudo experts on here.

[jvs]

9 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

From your link above:

 

Previous predictions that Russia was about to run out of missiles or other weapons have not always proved correct.

 

Also from bbc:

Ukraine war: Russian reservists fighting with shovels - UK defence ministry

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64855760

 

and

War in Ukraine: Is Russia’s stock of weapons running low?

14 October 2022

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-63247287

Note the date.

 

Forgive me if I don’t pay much heed to “links” as some so desperately needs.

 

One other thing you might like to consider. Do you honestly believe that the west will say that Russia is winning even if that’s the truth? 

Do you honestly believe that Russia will say the Ukrainians are winning even if that's the truth?

Russia has called Ukrainian attacks friendly fire so as not to lose face.

[jvs]

9 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Actually, there are many WESTERN economists, analysts and experts who says that Ukraine will lose. But of course, their personal characters (and not their expertise) will be demeaned by the pseudo experts on here.

I thought you did not believe in any Western news?

If i am a pseudo expert ,are you a real one?

[stevenl]

2 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

Did I say that this “invasion” was legal? There has been many other invasions by other countries that were also illegal under international law but we are not going down the whataboutism route.

So the invasion was illegal, they raped, killed and plundered all over, are using chemical weapons and have the moral high ground.

Strange reasoning you have.

[Mavideol]

sorry it was double post

[AreYouGerman]

15 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seems we have been hearing for a very long time on this subforum as how Russia is running out of men, money and ammunition, and Zelensky will be marching into the Kremlin in just a few weeks. LOL.

( that last bit was satirical, for the humour devoid ).

 

At the moment, it is Ukraine that is running out of men, money and ammunition.

 

It's not only in this subforum! 🤣 I am telling my boomer parents since 2 years that's logically impossible for Russia to lose and if, putting all logic aside, Russia was about to lose, they'd start launching 'tactical nukes'.

 

They (my parents, or more broadly, the boomers) were hilarious fanatic - hyped up by the lying media - about 'Ukrainians biggest counter offensive' while I was telling them that Russia is allowing them to waste their entire army in those small pockets like Robotyne. Well, facts don't lie and the results are obvious now but the media just dropped this war and replaced it with the next hoax, as always.

 

It also boggles my mind that people still spreading the lie about Russia wanting to take over the entire Ukraine and/or genocide them while their real demands are even publicly on a Wikipedia page. And then, even more hilarious, they claim Russia wants to attack EU and NATO countries. For what specific goal. Absolute non-sense.

 

In the end Russia will get even more than they demanded initially and hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian men died for nothing.

 

[Hummin]

5 minutes ago, AreYouGerman said:

 

It's not only in this subforum! 🤣 I am telling my boomer parents since 2 years that's logically impossible for Russia to lose and if, putting all logic aside, Russia was about to lose, they'd start launching 'tactical nukes'.

 

They (my parents, or more broadly, the boomers) were hilarious fanatic - hyped up by the lying media - about 'Ukrainians biggest counter offensive' while I was telling them that Russia is allowing them to waste their entire army in those small pockets like Robotyne. Well, facts don't lie and the results are obvious now but the media just dropped this war and replaced it with the next hoax, as always.

 

It also boggles my mind that people still spreading the lie about Russia wanting to take over the entire Ukraine and/or genocide them while their real demands are even publicly on a Wikipedia page. And then, even more hilarious, they claim Russia wants to attack EU and NATO countries. For what specific goal. Absolute non-sense.

 

In the end Russia will get even more than they demanded initially and hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian men died for nothing.

There will always be natural strategic boarders, and useally rivers, mountains, and lack of that, forest

 

We will see where this ends. Regime change in Russia, or new president in Ukraine. 

[AreYouGerman]

8 minutes ago, Hummin said:

We will see where this ends. Regime change in Russia, or new president in Ukraine. 

 

Indeed, regime change in the Ukraine would be a way out for the USA to save face and pin everything on Vladimir Zelensky.

 

A new president in Russia? Another 'color revolution' by the CIA? But that failed already and the Russians are behind their president as seen by the recent 88% election.

[Hummin]

3 minutes ago, AreYouGerman said:

 

Indeed, regime change in the Ukraine would be a way out for the USA to save face and pin everything on Vladimir Zelensky.

 

A new president in Russia? Another 'color revolution' by the CIA? But that failed already and the Russians are behind their president as seen by the recent 88% election.

We really do not know the real numbers behind Putin, or are you just full of propaganda as well?