webfact Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 NONTHABURI, (TNA) – The 43rd Bangkok International Motor Show is ready to welcome visitors at its venue, the IMPACT exhibition complex in Muang Thong Thani estate, from March 23 to April 3 on the theme of “Keep moving forward together”. Prachin Eamlumnow, chief executive officer of Grand Prix International PCL and chief organizer of the Bangkok International Motor Show, said the automotive industry of Thailand started to recover this year after being affected by COVID-19 for over two years. Importantly the industry was shifting from internal combustion engines to electric power and manufacturers were enjoying support from the government for their production of electric vehicles for domestic use and export, he said. Keep up to date with all things Thailand - Join our daily ASEAN NOW Thailand Newsletter - Click to subscribe Full story: https://tna.mcot.net/english-news-907865 -- © Copyright TNA 2022-03-23 - Aetna offers a range of visa-compliant plans that meet the minimum requirement of medical treatment, including COVID-19, up to THB 3m. For more information on all expat health insurance plans click here. - Follow ASEAN NOW on LINE for breaking COVID-19 updates 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 (edited) Does anyone that lives in the real world believe that Thailand's electrical infrastructure could sustain millions of EVs? Could ordinary folk even afford to buy one- that's probably the biggest disincentive to buy one in NZ, and the fact that the batteries are very expensive and will need replacing will impact the second hand market, IMO. I wonder how many actually believe the advertising BS that they are environmentally "friendly", when the electricity to power them is often produced by burning fossil fuels, and the old batteries may be polluting to dispose of? I used to visit the Bkk motor show every year, but it wasn't to look at the cars, nudge nudge wink wink. Edited March 22, 2022 by thaibeachlovers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardColeman Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: I used to visit the Bkk motor show every year, but it wasn't to look at the cars, nudge nudge wink wink. My wife flatly refused to buy the Race Queen outfit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThailandRyan Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Still waiting for my Condo complex and many others to install assigned parking stalls for the owners and residents and then if one of those has an EV to assist in hooking up an EV charging port..... I can just see it now the Condo's install a few EV charging station slots only to have those slots filled by numpties driving a petrol or diesel based car.......Thats just here in BKK. If I owned a home outside of BKK like I will eventually do again I will install the EV charging station and purchase a new MG EV..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: Does anyone that lives in the real world believe that Thailand's electrical infrastructure could sustain millions of EVs? Could ordinary folk even afford to buy one- that's probably the biggest disincentive to buy one in NZ, and the fact that the batteries are very expensive and will need replacing will impact the second hand market, IMO. I wonder how many actually believe the advertising BS that they are environmentally "friendly", when the electricity to power them is often produced by burning fossil fuels, and the old batteries may be polluting to dispose of? I used to visit the Bkk motor show every year, but it wasn't to look at the cars, nudge nudge wink wink. Volvo parent Geely reveals $9,000 EV for China. China's $9,000 Electric Pivkup Truck is Coming to the US. Chinese EV maker XPeng model P5 sedan starts at less than $25,000. SFP (lifepo4-sulfur, iron, phosphate) EV auto batteries more environmentally friendly. Lithium-ion vs lead-acid batteries: higher charge rate, higher specific energy, better cold-temperature performance, lower self-charge rate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JBThai Posted March 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2022 5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: Does anyone that lives in the real world believe that Thailand's electrical infrastructure could sustain millions of EVs? Could ordinary folk even afford to buy one- that's probably the biggest disincentive to buy one in NZ, and the fact that the batteries are very expensive and will need replacing will impact the second hand market, IMO. I wonder how many actually believe the advertising BS that they are environmentally "friendly", when the electricity to power them is often produced by burning fossil fuels, and the old batteries may be polluting to dispose of? I used to visit the Bkk motor show every year, but it wasn't to look at the cars, nudge nudge wink wink. We started in 2017 to install my first 12 Solar panes and we added every Year 12 more until we reached the point that we could go off-grid. Even we invest a lot of money in this we can say it was worth it. In 2019 we bought the first electric car and after installing some more solar panels, we charge it from the sun to 95%. Compared to the gasoline car cost, we saved the last 70000 km around 210000 Thb. We are now upgrading the solar system again and are on the way to buying the second electric car. I think that what we did over the last years it is not only environmentally friendly, it will save us, in the long run, millions of THB. For the investment in the solar system over the 30 years minimum lifetime, we will get the investment back 1-2 times. In case the EV can last 400000Km then it would be free too. (if calculated on the gasoline we saved). However, we totally agree that charging the EV with grid power that is made from gas and oil is not that environmentally friendly but under consideration of the efficiency of the combustion engine, the EV is the same burden to the environment. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 (edited) An entrance fee ... to look at cars. Probably a recent C19 test also ... ???? I don't think I'll ever be that bored. Edited March 23, 2022 by KhunLA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 hour ago, KhunLA said: An entrance fee ... to look at cars. That's what exhibition centres do, what is available to view is irrelevant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said: That's what exhibition centres do, what is available to view is irrelevant! I go to 'exhibitions' often enough, and never paid to enter. Last house was almost completely furnished from a 'home exhibition' @ Impact. I don't pay to window shop. If you can't get me to enter, no hope in selling me something, and I'm in the market for an EV ... maybe. Though I do seem to be talking myself out of the idea. So a little eye candy would go a long way to motivating me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MJCM Posted March 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, ThailandRyan said: <snip> I can just see it now the Condo's install a few EV charging station slots only to have those slots filled by numpties driving a petrol or diesel based car.......Thats just here in BKK. If I owned a home outside of BKK like I will eventually do again I will install the EV charging station and purchase a new MG EV..... Something like this? ???? Edited March 23, 2022 by MJCM 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropposurfer Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 A rich, rich ground for finding some very nice new girlfriends ... a must visit for admirers of beautiful women Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickudon Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 I did the sums recently - how much money would i save if i went Electric and charged the battery via solar - compared with gasoline expenditure. New car and solar panels, charging infrastructure, about one million baht. Petrol saved - 25,000 baht a year - wait - that will tale 40 years for pay back..... Hmm maybe not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 8 minutes ago, rickudon said: I did the sums recently - how much money would i save if i went Electric and charged the battery via solar - compared with gasoline expenditure. New car and solar panels, charging infrastructure, about one million baht. Petrol saved - 25,000 baht a year - wait - that will tale 40 years for pay back..... Hmm maybe not. Are all the appliances and lighting in your home powered directly by fossil fuels? Most of the ones in mine use electricity. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThailandRyan Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, placeholder said: Are all the appliances and lighting in your home powered directly by fossil fuels? Most of the ones in mine use electricity. Set up a bicycle that powers the TV when your kids want to watch it they have to exercise as well. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RafPinto Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said: Set up a bicycle that powers the TV when your kids want to watch it they have to exercise as well. I have one of them for GF's <deleted>. I pedal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, placeholder said: Are all the appliances and lighting in your home powered directly by fossil fuels? Most of the ones in mine use electricity. My ROI going solar at house alone will be < 5 yrs, without an EV. Though I abuse the AC a lot more than Rick, and drive more kms per year, I think. Extra cost of EV would pay for itself before the warranty is up, if doing the 180k kms in 8 yrs, using MG ZS ICE vs EV (฿400k) for calculations @ ฿30 / liter, not counting oil changes & tune-up & belt changes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJCM Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Just now, KhunLA said: My ROI going solar at house alone will be < 5 yrs, without an EV. Though I abuse the AC a lot more than Rick, and drive more kms per year, I think. Extra cost of EV would pay for itself before the warranty is up, if doing the 180k kms in 8 yrs, using MG ZS ICE vs EV (฿400k) for calculations @ ฿30 / liter, not counting oil changes & tune-up & belt changes. ^ this !!!!!!!!!! and I personally don't think you should include the price of the EV in the price what you pay for the solar install, because you can power your house with it as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 21 minutes ago, rickudon said: I did the sums recently - how much money would i save if i went Electric and charged the battery via solar - compared with gasoline expenditure. New car and solar panels, charging infrastructure, about one million baht. Petrol saved - 25,000 baht a year - wait - that will tale 40 years for pay back..... Hmm maybe not. Fuel isn't the only metric in comparing EV to ICE autos. EVs have less moving parts, no oil changes, sparkplug replacement, etc. That results in lower maintenance costs by 40-49% lower than for ICE models. Then there is the additional benefit that a fully charged EV can serve as an electric source for a home in the event of a grid failure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 (edited) On 3/23/2022 at 2:48 PM, JBThai said: However, we totally agree that charging the EV with grid power that is made from gas and oil is not that environmentally friendly but under consideration of the efficiency of the combustion engine, the EV is the same burden to the environment. Difference is that if I buy a second hand petrol car I won't have to replace the batteries ( which is probably why the car is being sold ). I can also do a seven hour journey with a 15 minute stop to fill up and don't have to recharge it before returning. Edited March 25, 2022 by thaibeachlovers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 Another contender with 380 km range and < ฿600k price tag https://www.car250.com/neta-v-smart-ev-th-2022-3.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinci Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 they are selling the EV the same price as gas car, good luck selling it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 On 4/5/2022 at 2:54 PM, vinci said: they are selling the EV the same price as gas car, good luck selling it Actually, EV cars with a range like this hold their resale values well. Of course, that doesn't speak to the quality of the build. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandersnatch Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 On 3/23/2022 at 3:53 PM, rickudon said: I did the sums recently - how much money would i save if i went Electric and charged the battery via solar - compared with gasoline expenditure. New car and solar panels, charging infrastructure, about one million baht. Petrol saved - 25,000 baht a year - wait - that will tale 40 years for pay back..... Hmm maybe not. I have home solar and an EV. The EV is purely powered by excess solar from the house system. My actual payback is 5 years as I don't have a PEA bill or a fuel bill for my car. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 Also ran some real life numbers, elsewhere, closed thread & worth repeating. If I change over from ICE to EV: Top up a MG ZS EV 50KwH battery from 0-100% = ฿220 (50 X ฿4.4) (Actually 'FREE' at MG charging station < 5 kms from house) vs my MG EV (ICE) @ ฿1300-1500, and that's with cheap E85 EV warranty @ 180k kms / 11 kpl X ฿33 = ฿540k for petrol (energy) 180k kms / 320 kms (WLTP) = 562.5 X 220 = ฿124k for charging (energy) ฿540k - 124k = ฿416k saved on energy cost alone MG ZS ICE ฿700K MG ZS EV ฿950k MG EP ฿761k ... as mentioned, same pricing as ICEs now. Of course if spring for solar at the house <฿300k, then ROI for house use & EV comes fast. Estimate 5-8 yrs depending on AC abuse & kms racked up. Going solar and or EV is starting to become a no brainer. ฿4.4 based on average high rate: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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