With citywide lockdown and mass testing in Shanghai, it's seems like China has reached the end of the road for its zero covid policy two years into the pandemic.

 

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CCP and their massive ego is preventing them accepting the reality and changing the approach and slowly abandon the zero covid policy and importing quality MRNA booster shots. And Xi is expecting to get relected sometime this year for a third time, so not going to take chances. Feel sorry for the locals who have endured for 2+ years now.

So which developed country did the best (so far) for protecting from death and from lockdowns and economic hardship?

there are some 10 different vax around the world, from which mrna are only pfizer and moderna. 
Countries try to develop their own vax and try to make them locally, as to be independent on foreign supplies. 
china developed many vax and started vax programs yet from as early as june 2020. And so far they are doing well in numbers per 100. 
Probably there was a little chance for them to import mrna in quantities. If they did order there would be shortage elsewhere, prices going up, with possible embargo on export. 
sinovac turned out to be poor choice, but they have many others doing better. 
pandemic is not over yet anywhere in the world. That despite large number vaxed. 

 

On 4/3/2022 at 8:07 AM, internationalism said:

So which developed country did the best (so far) for protecting from death and from lockdowns and economic hardship?

there are some 10 different vax around the world, from which mrna are only pfizer and moderna. 
Countries try to develop their own vax and try to make them locally, as to be independent on foreign supplies. 
china developed many vax and started vax programs yet from as early as june 2020. And so far they are doing well in numbers per 100. 
Probably there was a little chance for them to import mrna in quantities. If they did order there would be shortage elsewhere, prices going up, with possible embargo on export. 
sinovac turned out to be poor choice, but they have many others doing better. 
pandemic is not over yet anywhere in the world. That despite large number vaxed. 

 

How has Sinovac proved to have been a poor choice? 
the death rates in China are well below the UK and US?

zero covid? yeah, like that could work ????

3 hours ago, FridgeMagnet1 said:

How has Sinovac proved to have been a poor choice? 
the death rates in China are well below the UK and US?

Thats conclusion made by thai health service. Medical personnel got 650k of pfizer, and later on moderna, az, as boosters to sinovac. That yet before the great majority of ordinary citizens, and foreigners, got their first shot. 
some countries have withdrawn sinovac from their accepted vaxes - switzerland, austria (as o remember, but since i got my 2 pfizer i dont care about anything and dont follow vax developments)

9 hours ago, internationalism said:

Thats conclusion made by thai health service. Medical personnel got 650k of pfizer, and later on moderna, az, as boosters to sinovac. That yet before the great majority of ordinary citizens, and foreigners, got their first shot. 
some countries have withdrawn sinovac from their accepted vaxes - switzerland, austria (as o remember, but since i got my 2 pfizer i dont care about anything and dont follow vax developments)

Right, so SINOVAC was a bad choice for mainland China because despite a very low death rate, it’s not possible to use to enter a restaurant in Vienna 

 

got it. Thanks 

No, you are not allowed to enter those countries. 
austria now requires 3 jabs for entry.  
Anutin was not allowed enter switzerland in the autumn, for some governmental business, because he had only sinovac and some 1 booster. That wosnt good enough. So thai medics and many others from thailand cant enter those 2, and probably many other countries. 
Almost half of doses given in thailand were sinovac (a little over 50mln) and sinopharm (probably around 5mln, dont remember now), so its a wide problem for thai population. That unless they got minimum 2 boosters. 
I dont know how many sinovac was given in china, they have many other vaxes locally made, higher quality. 
They were exporting sinovac and keeping the other to their own population. 
thailand has bought sinovac, because thai largest conglomerate CP, worth over $30bln, has bought in autumn 2020 some 20% shares in company making this vax.

Thats why thai government contracted only some 3mln monthly from the locally made AZ for $6.5 and refused to increase this order, when offered. 
they were already eyeing on sinovac for some $20. So boosting income for the CP.  And eyeing possible kickbacks

7 hours ago, internationalism said:

No, you are not allowed to enter those countries. 
austria now requires 3 jabs for entry.  
Anutin was not allowed enter switzerland in the autumn, for some governmental business,

That’s completely and utterly false and I’ve reported you to the mods for lying about vaccines.

 

sinovac is recognised in Switzerland and Austria for travel and Anitin was allowed to enter Switzerland. 

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/austria-covid-19-vaccines-recognised-for-travel/

 

serious question, why are you lying about this?

12 minutes ago, FridgeMagnet1 said:

7 hours ago, internationalism said:

No, you are not allowed to enter those countries. 
austria now requires 3 jabs for entry.  
Anutin was not allowed enter switzerland in the autumn, for some governmental business,

That’s completely and utterly false and I’ve reported you to the mods for lying about vaccines.

 

sinovac is recognised in Switzerland and Austria for travel and Anitin was allowed to enter Switzerland. 

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/austria-covid-19-vaccines-recognised-for-travel/

 

serious question, why are you lying about this?

Actually, it was Anutin himself who lied about this. 

 

He [Anutin] claimed he was not permitted to enter Switzerland without quaritining for two weeks even though he had been vaccinated with Sinovac.

This caused a ‘stir’ at the time, especially after an actress posted from Switzerland that she had no problem entering Switzerland having had the SinoVac vaccines and no need to quarantine because she was vaccinated. 

.... This led some to suspect that Anutin didn’t in fact have his vaccines at all and shock horror he was telling porkie-pies (if his lips are moving....).... Strangely (or not) the story went quiet rather quickly.... Whats that I hear? defamation laws ??? law suits ????

There was a time when it could be argued rationally that China's "zero covid" policy made sense. Not anymore. The virus is far too contagious to be contained by quarantine measures and masking. What's more, it's far less threatening than earlier variants thanks to both vaccination and the nature of the latest variants themselves. The problem is, of course, that the leadership of China has staked its claim to superiority on its zero covid policy. And by leadership I mean mainly Xi. The problem with autocracies is that the leader can never admit being mistaken. So Xi is in a bind. Repudiate the zero covid policy and re-invigorate China's economy or stick to the policy and compound the difficulties the Chinese economy is already facing.

 

Hazmat dog walking ???? 

 

Disinfecting the Shanghai air ????

I teach science to quite a few different students in Shanghai.  They are all confined to home and from sunrise, their parents search food delivery apps to try to find a delivery slot so that they can get food.  At any time, the whole family can get ordered out for Covid tests (my student yesterday had to abort our lesson because her mom got a mobile phone message ordering them to go immediately to the Covid test centre).

 

Zero Covid?  They are having a laugh!  China made and released this virus, and now that the whole world has suffered because of their actions, the Chinese public are getting a taste of their own 'medicine'.

On 4/2/2022 at 1:41 PM, Pattaya Spotter said:

it's seems like China has reached the end of the road for its zero covid policy

Some of us knew from the very start that eliminating covid was never going to happen, any more that the flu can be.

Billions of $ later some governments are still reluctant to admit it.

On 4/5/2022 at 7:06 PM, internationalism said:

austria now requires 3 jabs for entry.  

That reminded me of the story on here a while back that Austria was going to penalize those that refused to get the jab. How did that work out?