Engine troubles bring sink-or-swim moment for Thailand’s sub deal with China

[webfact]

 

By Thai PBS World’s Political Desk

 

This month brings a make-or-break meeting for the Thai Navy’s deal to buy a Chinese-made submarine, with delivery threatened by the fading chance of China getting German top-end engines as stipulated in the contract.

 

Next year’s delivery deadline for Thailand’s first submarine since World War II is now out of the question. The German government refuses to supply MTU396 diesel engines from Germany’s Motor and Turbine Union company, as specified in the Bt13.5-billion purchase deal signed in 2017 between the Royal Thai Navy (RTN) and China’s state-owned China Shipbuilding & Offshore International Co (CSOC) for the Yuan-class S26T submarine.

 

Bid to save deal

Both sides will hold talks later this month in a bid to settle the submarine engine issue, with RTN chief Admiral Somprasong Nilsamai insisting CSOC has to comply with the contract by fitting the submarine with the German propulsion system.

 

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The Thai Navy has turned down CSOC’s offer to use Chinese-made engines that are certified by Germany’s MTU or to transfer two of China’s decommissioned submarines to Thailand.

 

Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/engine-troubles-bring-sink-or-swim-moment-for-thailands-sub-deal-with-china/

 

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[ThailandRyan]

Looks like the money can be removed from the table and the losses if any can be chalked up to doing business without a guarantee.  I mean they could buy a couple of hamster cages with the wheels inside and use the hamsters as the power turbine or even put a few exercise bikes inside with a chain reaching out to the screws.....

[Mr Meeseeks]

26 minutes ago, webfact said:

with RTN chief Admiral Somprasong Nilsamai insisting CSOC has to comply with the contract by fitting the submarine with the German propulsion system.

That's going to be hard since the Germans will not supply the engines to the Chinese. ????

[Hayduke]

44 minutes ago, webfact said:

Next year’s delivery deadline for Thailand’s first submarine since World War II is now out of the question.

 

Great news. The Generals can now pocket 100% of the money (instead of the usual 40%) and blame the whole terrible ‘misunderstanding’ on those unfriendly, uncooperative Germans.

 

 

[mtls2005]

Naming the sub HTMS Hopewell would probably not be a good idea?

 

 

Suspect there will be high speed rail before a sub?

 

 

 

 

[edwinchester]

If the subs ever do arrive in Thailand I hope the Navy check that the Chinese haven't just put MTU stickers on a Lifan engine.

[DrJack54]

They could always just do as Australia did to France.

"We don't want that anymore. We had change of heart" 

[Misterwhisper]

28 minutes ago, Hayduke said:

 

Great news. The Generals can now pocket 100% of the money (instead of the usual 40%) and blame the whole terrible ‘misunderstanding’ on those unfriendly, uncooperative Germans.

 

 

You mean just like they did in WW1, when they declared the Germans "unfriendly" in order to impound the northern railway line the Germans had built for them when they were still "friendly" (and which after the war was finished by the "always friendly" Danes)? Then, still later on and in an ironic twist, the "friendly-again" Germans happily supplied the locomotives and rolling stock, of course. 

[JonnyF]

11 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

They could always just do as Australia did to France.

"We don't want that anymore. We had change of heart" 

But the Australian politicians weren't going to acquire fabulous personal wealth from the deal so they were happy to walk away. Plus they got to irriate the hell out of Macron, and who could resist that?

 

No way Thai politicians (or should I say Generals) are going to walk away from this deal. They wouldn't care if the subs have engines from a 30 year old Honda wave as long as they collect the coin that such a deal generates for them and their cronies. It's not like they're going to use the subs anyway, the water is too shallow.

 

I predict a solution will be found with the CCP and the Thai Generals will acquire yet more incredible, generational wealth from this deal. 

[Misterwhisper]

Oh for goodness' sake! Just install a large rubber band in place of a complicated German engine and be done with it. At least the glorious Thai Navy will know how to operate it.

[DrJack54]

5 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I predict a solution will be found with the CCP and the Thai Generals will acquire yet more incredible, generational wealth from this deal. 

Plus with so much flooding in Pattaya there will always be a use.

 

[VocalNeal]

49 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

That's going to be hard since the Germans will not supply the engines to the Chinese. ????

 

48 minutes ago, Hayduke said:

uncooperative Germans.

MTU is owned by Rolls Royce

[JonnyF]

19 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

 

MTU is owned by Rolls Royce

Rolls Royce is owned by Zee Germunz (BMW).

[ThailandRyan]

10 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Rolls Royce is owned by Zee Germunz (BMW).

So instead of a loss of engines known as a Bummer, the truth is that it's a Bimmer.......good to know

[hanuman2543]

43 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

 

MTU is owned by Rolls Royce

And is a German company:

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Power_Systems#:~:text=Rolls-Royce Power Systems AG is a German company owned,engine manufacturing brands and facilities.

[hanuman2543]

24 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Rolls Royce is owned by Zee Germunz (BMW).

That is true only for the car unit.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Motor_Cars

[VocalNeal]

 

25 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Rolls Royce is owned by Zee Germunz (BMW).

No.

 

Rolls Royce Motor Cars is BMW. (Bentley is VW). 

 

MTU is Rolls Royce Power Holdings

 

I can use the Interweb before posting just like everyone else. ????

[VocalNeal]

Probably more motivated by intellectual property than politics. 

[jvs]

2 hours ago, webfact said:

The Thai Navy has turned down CSOC’s offer to use Chinese-made engines that are certified by Germany’s MTU or to transfer two of China’s decommissioned submarines to Thailand.

Does this mean the Thai government knows something about Chinese build quality?

Looking a few years ahead,will they trust Chinese made rockets to fly to the moon?

 

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

3 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Rolls Royce is owned by Zee Germunz (BMW).

The English own Zee Germunz (two world wars one world cup).

[TheFishman1]

No one will ever know the real cost of these submarines the top people make a fortune any time Thailand buys anything especially that expensive TIT

[Dialemco]

Does Thailand really need submarines? Probably not just cancel and use money wisely to stimulate the economy.

[Misterwhisper]

4 hours ago, VocalNeal said:

 

MTU is owned by Rolls Royce

And Rolls Royce is owned byyyyy....?

(Yes, that's right!)

[vandeventer]

5 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

They could always just do as Australia did to France.

"We don't want that anymore. We had change of heart" 

I think Thailand would be better off having a better missile system but not Chinese one that works.

 

https://www.voanews.com/a/chinese-weapons-exports-decline/6258163.html

[Misterwhisper]

40 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

The English own Zee Germunz (two world wars one world cup).

Yes, but please remember: 1 World Cup. ONE! ONE!!!

And that was well over half a century ago!

Of course Ze Chairmans have pulled ahead quite a bit since then, having won FOUR titles in total.

.AND they own RR.  

[malibukid]

5 hours ago, JonnyF said:

But the Australian politicians weren't going to acquire fabulous personal wealth from the deal so they were happy to walk away. Plus they got to irriate the hell out of Macron, and who could resist that?

 

No way Thai politicians (or should I say Generals) are going to walk away from this deal. They wouldn't care if the subs have engines from a 30 year old Honda wave as long as they collect the coin that such a deal generates for them and their cronies. It's not like they're going to use the subs anyway, the water is too shallow.

 

I predict a solution will be found with the CCP and the Thai Generals will acquire yet more incredible, generational wealth from this deal. 

the money would be better spent improving the infractructure and the lives of the Thai people.

[Isaan sailor]

4 hours ago, hanuman2543 said:

And is a German company:

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Power_Systems#:~:text=Rolls-Royce Power Systems AG is a German company owned,engine manufacturing brands and facilities.

And the stock, BAMXF rocks. It pays a 7% dividend.  Win/win.

[Chongalulu]

42 minutes ago, Misterwhisper said:

And Rolls Royce is owned byyyyy....?

(Yes, that's right!)

You don’t know the difference between Rolls Royce cars and the rest of Rolls Royce ?… the latter is a UK public company in which HMGovernment  has a golden share .

[Swampy999]

First there was the 800 million baht purchase of the GT200 mine (golf ball) detectors then the aircraft carrier with no aircraft now it's submarines without engines, cant wait to see what will be missing on their moon rocket ????????

[Burma Bill]

Engine troubles bring sink-or-swim moment for Thailand’s sub deal with China