In Thailand, the war in Ukraine divides the generations

[JetsetBkk]

6 hours ago, Mr Derek said:

Young = naive and emotional.

Older = wiser and level-headed.

Principle is universal. So obvious it wasn't worth saying - even by the Guardian.

 

What is more interesting is the obvious left-right divide when it comes to the war. (Left-right in politics nowadays of course no longer means rich vs poor, but bleeding hearts vs hard-headed.) The left is on the side of Ukraine because they assume Ukraine is the victim (without giving any thought to the complex background and history of the war), and victimhood is the apotheosis of leftism.

Apparently, a lot of young people post on Aseannow.

I'm old, by the way. Very old.

[wwest5829]

8 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

I am really talking about here and now, too little to late!

Covid vaccine assistance is ongoing so current and certainly more than any anthers have done. Humanitarian and military supplies is certainly also current. As to … too little to late? I beg to differ. I think the US and the European efforts are showing positive results in resisting the Russian unilateral making of war on Ukraine. I support the EU/NATO/US position of not currently sending in forces to a non-NATO nation.

[JetsetBkk]

6 hours ago, John Drake said:

And there is this, from Wiki, which is interesting, if true. Even the Russians claim the Thais are inflating travel figures from Russia.  

 

My newly-arrived next door neighbour and his family are Russian. So that's one real one.

[Bkk Brian]

36 minutes ago, BestB said:

You can find Nazi in USA as part of military battalion ? Paid and armed by US government ? Care to share more light on this 

Mate there's more far right nazi groups in Russia than there is in Ukraine and please don't forget Putins private army of mercenaries the Wagnor group in Ukraine now and whose founder himself was a Nazi and Putin buddy.

[Bkk Brian]

37 minutes ago, BestB said:

Of course, they brainwash you really well, have to make sure truth does not liquify simple minds. Let me guess there were also no bio labs paid by US and Biden son was not involved ????????????

Whats the big deal with the bio labs? Its been transparent with the US and Ukraine for years.

April 22, 2020

The U.S. Embassy would like to set the record straight regarding disinformation spreading in some circles in Ukraine that mirrors Russian disinformation regarding the strong U.S.-Ukrainian partnership to reduce biological threats.

https://ua.usembassy.gov/u-s-ukraine-partnership-to-reduce-biological-threats/

 

It was the Russians who took it one step further than reality and turned it into a conspiracy theory claiming they were bio weapons labs and had sent infected birds over to Russia, among many other hilarious claims. I'm afraid the special UN meeting Russia called on it turned out to be a historical farce and no evidence to date has been received.

[Fairynuff]

6 hours ago, Mr Derek said:

Young = naive and emotional.

Older = wiser and level-headed.

Principle is universal. So obvious it wasn't worth saying - even by the Guardian.

 

What is more interesting is the obvious left-right divide when it comes to the war. (Left-right in politics nowadays of course no longer means rich vs poor, but bleeding hearts vs hard-headed.) The left is on the side of Ukraine because they assume Ukraine is the victim (without giving any thought to the complex background and history of the war), and victimhood is the apotheosis of leftism.

What utter nonsense 

[Fairynuff]

At least Russia still has one (fair weather) friend left in the world.

[vandeventer]

15 minutes ago, wwest5829 said:

Covid vaccine assistance is ongoing so current and certainly more than any anthers have done. Humanitarian and military supplies is certainly also current. As to … too little to late? I beg to differ. I think the US and the European efforts are showing positive results in resisting the Russian unilateral making of war on Ukraine. I support the EU/NATO/US position of not currently sending in forces to a non-NATO nation.

We all support EU/NATO/ US but are they doing enough? Putin has time on his side, does Ukraine? So who will help Ukraine rebuild when this is all over? Or will Putin win in the end? Give Ukraine what they need to win this war and maybe Russia will stick it's head in the ground like a ostrich for 100 years.

[kennw]

6 hours ago, Mr Derek said:

Young = naive and emotional.

Older = wiser and level-headed.

Principle is universal. So obvious it wasn't worth saying - even by the Guardian.

 

What is more interesting is the obvious left-right divide when it comes to the war. (Left-right in politics nowadays of course no longer means rich vs poor, but bleeding hearts vs hard-headed.) The left is on the side of Ukraine because they assume Ukraine is the victim (without giving any thought to the complex background and history of the war), and victimhood is the apotheosis of leftism.

Irrespective of any "complex" background, killing the people of Ukraine and taking their country by force is inhuman and evil. 

[vandeventer]

2 hours ago, Jack Cook said:

Maybe India some EU countries are smarter than following the narrative that is being perpetrated and there is some hidden agenda like in all wars. All this nonsense is about 10% true at best. I’ve lived in both Russia and Ukraine and Ukraine presently is under the control of a actor dancing to some elses tune. Be nice if everyone just went home.

Sounds like a  tourist that traveled to Russia and maybe to the Ukraine? Give us a break!

[wwest5829]

23 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

We all support EU/NATO/ US but are they doing enough? Putin has time on his side, does Ukraine? So who will help Ukraine rebuild when this is all over? Or will Putin win in the end? Give Ukraine what they need to win this war and maybe Russia will stick it's head in the ground like a ostrich for 100 years.

Not all support the anti Russia unity. As for the war damages, .I am all for war reparations, keeping in mind that they have to be “doable”. I reflect here on war reparations placed on Germany after WW I. In large measure, they created the conditions allowing the rise of a nationalist strongman. Of course, Putin seems to be playing that card already. So, what are you proposing in supplying Ukraine?

[Rimmer]

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[Trvlr55]

7 hours ago, Mr Derek said:

Young = naive and emotional.

Older = wiser and level-headed.

Principle is universal. So obvious it wasn't worth saying - even by the Guardian.

 

What is more interesting is the obvious left-right divide when it comes to the war. (Left-right in politics nowadays of course no longer means rich vs poor, but bleeding hearts vs hard-headed.) The left is on the side of Ukraine because they assume Ukraine is the victim (without giving any thought to the complex background and history of the war), and victimhood is the apotheosis of leftism.

It is not that complex. Ukraine is a sovereign country. Russia attacks them with no provocation. Russia is slaughtering men, women and children with impunity. War crimes en mass. If Putin successfully conquers Ukraine, there is a long list of other countries that will follow that same fate.

[daejung]

7 hours ago, Mr Derek said:

Young = naive and emotional.

Older = wiser and level-headed.

Principle is universal. So obvious it wasn't worth saying - even by the Guardian.

 

What is more interesting is the obvious left-right divide when it comes to the war. (Left-right in politics nowadays of course no longer means rich vs poor, but bleeding hearts vs hard-headed.) The left is on the side of Ukraine because they assume Ukraine is the victim (without giving any thought to the complex background and history of the war), and victimhood is the apotheosis of leftism.

Russian troll

How can you be that stupid ?

Russia invaded Ukrain,not the contrary

Russia army is making war crimes, among others on civilians in the suburbs of Kiev. Around 400 civilians were slaughtered, some of them tortured and found with their hands tied and a bullet in their neck.

 

Your post is just disgusting !

[daejung]

5 hours ago, Docno said:

Sorry, grammatical error... should be: "unfortunately, the young will become the future dinosaurs"

grammatical troll

[Phoenix Rising]

4 hours ago, BestB said:

Up until mass media hysteria most did not know what Ukraine was , where it was or what it was.

 

Do not agree with war but also do not agree with American manipulations.

 

MSM pound a Russia and yet not only do not report but cover up Ukrainian officials calling on mass murder of all Russians any time , any place. And in case many forgotten or were not aware Ukraine was a willing collaborator with Nazi on Jewish people extermination.Babi Yar ,Nazi battalions still in existence and still have nazi SS as a flag , now called Azov.

 

But for some unknown reason MSM and the rest seem to totally ignore it  and arm them . Weird if you asked me 

What's weird is you, not those who feel sickened by Russian extreme brutality. Now slink back under your bridge and stay there.

 

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, wwest5829 said:

Covid vaccine assistance is ongoing so current and certainly more than any anthers have done. Humanitarian and military supplies is certainly also current. As to … too little to late? I beg to differ. I think the US and the European efforts are showing positive results in resisting the Russian unilateral making of war on Ukraine. I support the EU/NATO/US position of not currently sending in forces to a non-NATO nation.

But for the threat of mad Putin actually using nuclear weapons, NATO would have intervened a month ago. Now they have the dead and tortured civilians on their conscience for not having done so. The single reason they demurred was the threat of a nuclear WW111.

[vandeventer]

43 minutes ago, wwest5829 said:

Not all support the anti Russia unity. As for the war damages, .I am all for war reparations, keeping in mind that they have to be “doable”. I reflect here on war reparations placed on Germany after WW I. In large measure, they created the conditions allowing the rise of a nationalist strongman. Of course, Putin seems to be playing that card already. So, what are you proposing in supplying Ukraine?

It depends on Russia, if the Russians fight dirty so must Ukraine. Give them what they need to win. .Whether Putin likes it or not, this war must be won by Ukraine.

[Thalueng]

 

7 hours ago, AgentSmith said:

"Among the young there is a strong desire to stand by Ukrainians, while older conservatives describe Russia as a longstanding friend."

 

Sure. I totally get how a suppressed people can see a friend in a dictator. I'm sure they're also proud of having Myanmar as their neighbor. National delusion and possibly even a case or Stockholm syndrome. And a total lack of education of course. Dangerous combination.

If you're suggesting Thais are a suppressed people, they are not. Spend your effort in trying to understand this culture (even if just a little) rather than making uneducated claims. But I support your blame on the "tolerating" older conservatives.

[billd766]

3 minutes ago, Thalueng said:

 

If you're suggesting Thais are a suppressed people, they are not. Spend your effort in trying to understand this culture (even if just a little) rather than making uneducated claims. But I support your blame on the "tolerating" older conservatives.

Try joining a youth rally as we had pre-Covid, and see how far the Thai people are not oppressed.

[joecoolfrog]

3 hours ago, martand said:

Don't know if it's a matter of young and old yet indeed it is a matter of time, that perhaps younger generations take less into account: the blame for the war, which began in 2014 and not this year, is crystal clear: since February 24 it has been Putin's, while until that day it was shared equally by Russia, NATO (especially the U.S.), and the Ukrainian government.

Nonsense , Putin has been dreaming and plotting for a ' Greater Russia ' , since his days as an office boy in East Berlin.

[gearbox]

Rubbish article by Guardian. No way the Thais would be divided about what is happening in faraway countries they can't even find on the map. The majority of Thais don't even discuss their own politics. I've heard only one person mentioning the war, in fact I haven't seen any people as apolitical as the Thais, which is probably not a bad thing after all.

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, Pedrogaz said:

I'm older and not numbered among Ukraine's supporters. Russia was pushed into war by Ukraine and NATO and Russia offered plenty of reasonable dialogue. The endless shelling of the Russians in the Donbass by the Azov battalion made war inevitable. All this war crimes nonsense will force Putin into a corner and he has said many times that he will use nukes if Russia is in an existential crisis. I hope it doesn't come to that.

You don't have reasonable dialogue with a dictator. 

War crimes nonsense, when the Russian army shells hospitals and apartment buildings, and executes civilians that are left lying in the streets?

You may be older. I'm damn sure you are not wiser.

[jcojco]

8 hours ago, John Drake said:

So, again I ask, why don't the Thai elites send their children to Russia and China to be educated? Why don't they buy real estate there? Why didn't they travel to Russia and China for Covid vaccines, instead of the US? Why do they buy US and Western businesses and not Russian ones? Why do they buy European soccer teams and not Russian ones?

because like a lot of western nerds, they look only short term, and only listen to the western main media. The west will be worse than china, and all properties will be confiscated a way or another. 
"You will ow nothing but you will be happy" .... said the guru of Davos ...

[earthscar]

31 minutes ago, Thalueng said:

 

If you're suggesting Thais are a suppressed people, they are not. Spend your effort in trying to understand this culture (even if just a little) rather than making uneducated claims. But I support your blame on the "tolerating" older conservatives.

If you think that the Thai ppl have free access to critique their Gov, I suggest you make some straightforward critiques about the king in any shape, way, or form. See how far it gets you. Heck, make a light-hearted joke about the king if you don't think he and the current ruling elite are not in some way responsible for the corruption that is running rampant in the country. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/19/thailand-issues-warrants-for-activists-who-called-for-reform-of-monarchy

 

They were asking for reforms. The average citizen of Thailand has a little avenue to fix the social ills they live with.

[earthscar]

2 minutes ago, jcojco said:

because like a lot of western nerds, they look only short term, and only listen to the western main media. The west will be worse than china, and all properties will be confiscated a way or another. 
"You will ow nothing but you will be happy" .... said the guru of Davos ...

worse than china? they have full-on genocide going on in china atm. they have no freedom of speech. i dare you to go hold up a picture of winnie the pooh anywhere in china.

[earthscar]

1 minute ago, jcojco said:

they did enough in organizing the conditions to provoke that war.  Sorros, Biden and his son took they part of it.

and there you go.. qanon supporter standing tall. 

[sawadee1947]

4 hours ago, Jack Cook said:

Maybe India some EU countries are smarter than following the narrative that is being perpetrated and there is some hidden agenda like in all wars. All this nonsense is about 10% true at best. I’ve lived in both Russia and Ukraine and Ukraine presently is under the control of a actor dancing to some elses tune. Be nice if everyone just went home.

Are you begging for a one way ticket to Ukrainer,?

Or why you post this nonsense? ????

[earthscar]

2 minutes ago, jcojco said:

one more naïve ...

Do you know that they(Russian state news) released an editorial laying out that this was an attack for conquest and not to stop somehow the nazis, right? Putin is old guard as far as he is concerned, His mandate is to reform the USSR. He is in no shape, way, or form a good guy. he has sanctioned the poisoning of opposition candidates, and committed atrocities in Syria and other countries. the crimes by the Russian army in Ukraine are numerous and easily verifiable. You can, at this point, only be ignorant of this deliberately. At best, you are a troll; at worse...

[Phoenix Rising]

21 minutes ago, jcojco said:

you must be very old, and very misinformed. Like most of the TV sheeps ...

Really, care to explain why/how that statement is untrue? And in English please, not Russian.