Bar owners are finding it hard to recruit Thai girls

[yang123]

35 minutes ago, London Lowf said:

All this talk of the girl's safety - can anyone point me to a (recent) report of a punter hurting either a bargirl or freelancer? 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4585042/British-man-arrested-Ibiza-death-Thai-bar-girl.html

[Hummin]

1 hour ago, London Lowf said:

All this talk of the girl's safety - can anyone point me to a (recent) report of a punter hurting either a bargirl or freelancer? If anything, it is the customer that is in the potentially dangerous situation - I can remember reading on here of guys being drugged and robbed.

I know guys have been hunted down, and had to pay or beaten up after been nasty with girls.

 

I'm sure many girls have been abused by customers, but who would believe a bar girl report to police they had been raped? 

 

If they  work bar, as said, the girls maybe feel more safe, and also It gives a Cind of protection.

[CG1 Blue]

1 hour ago, Leaver said:

 

Sure, but it was happening pre covid.  

 

I suppose if the pretty girls move to freelancing online, leaving only the B Team in the bars, then over a period of time, punters will move online.   

Not all punters will want to move online. I'm tech savvy and use all the apps etc. But for a night out - I'd rather just go with the flow. Pre-booking is just not my thing. 

[Leaver]

43 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Not all punters will want to move online. I'm tech savvy and use all the apps etc. But for a night out - I'd rather just go with the flow. Pre-booking is just not my thing. 

 

The next generation of monger are very tech savvy, and embrace such platforms as Tinder.  How many years do you give the traditional bar business model, given the generation coming through have been glued to their phones, most of their life?  

[Mac Mickmanus]

58 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Not all punters will want to move online. I'm tech savvy and use all the apps etc. But for a night out - I'd rather just go with the flow. Pre-booking is just not my thing. 

Yes, but aren't a bargirl though .

You may want to go to a bar at night, but the girls might not want to go 

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

You misunderstood.

 

If we take an extreme example. Unhinged bloke wants to meet a girl and do bad things to her. Does he arrange a secret rendezvous via an online app, or walk into the bar where she works and be seen by all her friends / co-workers and regular customers?

 

Also if a bloke does start getting nasty with a girl in her bar (and I've seen that happen a few times), she'll have plenty of back up. 

 

I agree there is no protection for her once she's been bar fined. 

I would have thought that a man who wants to attack a woman would pick a random woman in the street and besides , guys who just want to attack females are a extreme rarity and shouldnt be bought into the equation 

[Leaver]

3 hours ago, Hummin said:

I know guys have been hunted down, and had to pay or beaten up after been nasty with girls.

 

Define, "nasty?"

 

3 hours ago, Hummin said:

'm sure many girls have been abused by customers,

 

What are you basing this on?

 

3 hours ago, Hummin said:

If they  work bar, as said, the girls maybe feel more safe, and also It gives a Cind of protection.

 

They may feel safe, but their feeling is not the reality, and as said, the bar offers zero protection once the girl leaves the bar.  

[Hummin]

26 minutes ago, Leaver said:

 

Define, "nasty?"

 

 

What are you basing this on?

 

 

They may feel safe, but their feeling is not the reality, and as said, the bar offers zero protection once the girl leaves the bar.  

Seems like you take my points personal for some reason.

 

There is more than one view on different topics, as well experiences. 

 

If you want to debate topics like this, you will need to look at things from different point of views as experiences. 

 

Being a prostitute is not very pleasant work all the time for most, and sometimes they are abused, shouldn't be necessary to provide proof for such statements

[CG1 Blue]

6 hours ago, Leaver said:

How does a dead certainty offer a "pulling experience?"  ????

When you go on a 'Formula One Driving Experience' at Silverstone, it doesn't mean you're Lewis Hamilton ????

[Mac Mickmanus]

21 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

As others have said, I prefer the 'pulling experience'. And I'm sure plenty of others do. 

Arrange to meet someone you've never seen in real life and then not fancy them. Waste of time and much less exciting IMO. Each to their own though! 

 

Do you mean the "paying" experience ?

Some guys go to bars , pay for company in the way of buying drinks for a lady to sit with him, then pay for to go back to his room for sex .

   They then delude themselves to thinking that they are 20 years old again, went for a night out and pulled a "luverly young sort " who was well up for it and due to his amazing pulling powers, she had sex on the first night .

   Stop deluding yourself , you went to a hookers bar and hired a prostitute for the night and she would have went back to anyones room who paid her  

[CG1 Blue]

41 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Do you mean the "paying" experience ?

Some guys go to bars , pay for company in the way of buying drinks for a lady to sit with him, then pay for to go back to his room for sex .

   They then delude themselves to thinking that they are 20 years old again, went for a night out and pulled a "luverly young sort " who was well up for it and due to his amazing pulling powers, she had sex on the first night .

   Stop deluding yourself , you went to a hookers bar and hired a prostitute for the night and she would have went back to anyones room who paid her  

That's not how I do things, no. But feel free to carry on preaching.

 

Would be interesting to hear what made you so angry about blokes enjoying themselves. I had a mate who had a bad LB experience which scarred him mentally for life. Is that what happened to you? 

 

[gargamon]

Time to look at this a bit differently. It seems that all agree there are two methods of attaining what the people going to the bars are looking for, either in the bar, or online. I believe, if we evaluate which girls would be available in either venue, we would find the online girls to be smarter, more tech savvy, and much more independent than the bargirls.

 

So do you want an independent woman(internet)  or those who need to be managed(bar)?

 

Of course, if your life revolves around getting <deleted>, then you would prefer the bargirls. I've woken up too many times next to some woman that I have no idea where she came from. Thankfully, those days are over. 

[Mac Mickmanus]

5 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

That's not how I do things, no. But feel free to carry on preaching.

 

Would be interesting to hear what made you so angry about blokes enjoying themselves. I had a mate who had a bad LB experience which scarred him mentally for life. Is that what happened to you? 

 

What bit did I get wrong ?

You have stated you like to "pull" females in bars , but the reality is that you hire prostitutes and pay for them to "get pulled" .

   Which bit am I mistaken about ?

BTW , I am not angry at all , just like to point out when people conflate prostitution and pulling 

[London Lowf]

Back on topic.....

 

I believe that a prime reason for bars having difficulty in recruiting is the fact that, on Bangla in Phuket at least, they do not pay the girls a wage. I spoke to one and she said that she had been promised B7,000 every two weeks, BUT only if she sells 50 ladydrinks in that time - otherwise zilch. She had been there for a month and had earned absolutely nothing (she was pleasant, but not a hottie) and she said she was giving up and she went home two days later. That was the first “job” she’d had in two years.

 

The LDs in that bar were B220 and invariably a soft one and so the bar made a good profit on each, and an absolute killing if the girls didn't make their targets. No wonder each bar had so many girls hanging around out front - the more girls the smaller chance of them making their target.

 

And no wonder I very rarely buy LDs - the bars con both their girls and their customers.

[sead]

On 4/6/2022 at 9:43 PM, RandiRona said:

Wow...look like written by one of the Asean member, just missing the trademark sharing straw joke! What a shame!!

But it's so true

[thaibeachlovers]

On 4/7/2022 at 7:54 AM, Mac Mickmanus said:

Will the girls want to go back to working in bars ?

Some would have gone back to their village and gotton themselves a life there , job , kids , married or whatever .

   Others would have continued their work using online sites for customers . 

Others would have found alternative work  and the appeal of being a prostitute working in a bar may not appeal to any new girls entering the trade.

  This may be the final nail in the coffin of Pattayas sex industry  

The final nail has been predicted for decades, LOL.

 

They were finding it hard to get attractive girls to work in Pattaya bars prior to covid, so nothing new there. I even saw fat girls on stage- the horror, the horror.

 

The bar industry may end up more like Hua Hin or Chiang Mai, but IMO the sex industry is still alive and thriving on line. The girls may not work in a Pattaya bar, but likely they will meet the customer at the airport and stay in Pattaya- I doubt any customers want to go stay in her village.

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Do you mean the "paying" experience ?

Some guys go to bars , pay for company in the way of buying drinks for a lady to sit with him, then pay for to go back to his room for sex .

   They then delude themselves to thinking that they are 20 years old again, went for a night out and pulled a "luverly young sort " who was well up for it and due to his amazing pulling powers, she had sex on the first night .

   Stop deluding yourself , you went to a hookers bar and hired a prostitute for the night and she would have went back to anyones room who paid her  

If anyone believes otherwise they are deluded IMO.

Hiring a hooker is what it's all about. Do you have a problem with that?

[scubascuba3]

1 hour ago, London Lowf said:

Back on topic.....

 

I believe that a prime reason for bars having difficulty in recruiting is the fact that, on Bangla in Phuket at least, they do not pay the girls a wage. I spoke to one and she said that she had been promised B7,000 every two weeks, BUT only if she sells 50 ladydrinks in that time - otherwise zilch. She had been there for a month and had earned absolutely nothing (she was pleasant, but not a hottie) and she said she was giving up and she went home two days later. That was the first “job” she’d had in two years.

 

The LDs in that bar were B220 and invariably a soft one and so the bar made a good profit on each, and an absolute killing if the girls didn't make their targets. No wonder each bar had so many girls hanging around out front - the more girls the smaller chance of them making their target.

 

And no wonder I very rarely buy LDs - the bars con both their girls and their customers.

She should have just gone on Thaifriendly, slightly photoshopped photos would make her popular and easy get 3 a day at 1-2k ST. A lot of girls don't know about TF

 

Girls are working in bars and gentleman clubs and on Thaifriendly sending punters to work

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If anyone believes otherwise they are deluded IMO.

Hiring a hooker is what it's all about. Do you have a problem with that?

Not at all , just because I wouldn't hire a prostitute for the night , that doesn't mean that I have a problem with other people doing so 

[Leaver]

17 hours ago, Hummin said:

Seems like you take my points personal for some reason.

 

No, I don't.

 

17 hours ago, Hummin said:

There is more than one view on different topics, as well experiences. 

 

I agree. 

 

17 hours ago, Hummin said:

f you want to debate topics like this, you will need to look at things from different point of views as experiences. 

 

I look at topics from all sides, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with other points of view.  I have no problem with debating an issue. 

 

17 hours ago, Hummin said:

Being a prostitute is not very pleasant work all the time for most, and sometimes they are abused, shouldn't be necessary to provide proof for such statements

 

I agree it's not pleasant work, and I am sure many guys come to Pattaya to practice their fetishes, but I don't see a lot of bar girls walking around with black eyes, broken noses, and cut lips from being assualted.  Do you? 

 

What is your definition of abuse?

[Leaver]

17 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

When you go on a 'Formula One Driving Experience' at Silverstone, it doesn't mean you're Lewis Hamilton ????

 

It's your baht that "pulls" them, not you.  ???? 

[Hummin]

8 minutes ago, Leaver said:

 

No, I don't.

 

 

I agree. 

 

 

I look at topics from all sides, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with other points of view.  I have no problem with debating an issue. 

 

 

I agree it's not pleasant work, and I am sure many guys come to Pattaya to practice their fetishes, but I don't see a lot of bar girls walking around with black eyes, broken noses, and cut lips from being assualted.  Do you? 

 

What is your definition of abuse?

If you define abuse as black eyes and broken noses, I see your point!

 

Nuff said

[Leaver]

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

If you define abuse as black eyes and broken noses, I see your point!

 

Nuff said

 

The term "abuse" is very broad, but it's you who used it.

 

Can you explain what you mean by the term abuse, in the context of your post? 

[CG1 Blue]

1 hour ago, Leaver said:

 

It's your baht that "pulls" them, not you.  ???? 

No sh Sherlock

[Bluespunk]

On 4/6/2022 at 10:17 PM, webfact said:

So, trying to recruit girls to take a job with now guaranteed income down in Pattaya when the sex tourists are thin on the ground has lost its appeal.

Good.

[Leaver]

45 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

No sh Sherlock

 

So what's with the "pulling experience" then?  ????

 

[BritManToo]

20 hours ago, Hummin said:

Being a prostitute is not very pleasant work all the time for most, and sometimes they are abused, shouldn't be necessary to provide proof for such statements

Being a rice farmer ain't all that great either, and sometimes they step on a snake.

 

Come to think of it,

My job back in the UK, 12hr shifts, at least an hour commute each way ........

[thaibeachlovers]

On 4/11/2022 at 12:37 AM, BritManToo said:

Being a rice farmer ain't all that great either, and sometimes they step on a snake.

 

Come to think of it,

My job back in the UK, 12hr shifts, at least an hour commute each way ........

Only an hour- you wuz lucky.

I spent 3 hours a day on a tube getting to and from work till I joined the permanent hospital staff so I could live in hospital accommodation, despite the lower wages. Even agency wages were not enough to rent in central London.

I loved 12 hour shifts as I only had to work 3 days a week to make the hours.

 

One wonders why certain posters think working in a sweat shop or the rice fields is such a better option than having sex with strangers for loads more cash.

[moose7117]

On 4/9/2022 at 11:28 PM, Leaver said:

 

Define, "nasty?"

 

 

What are you basing this on?

 

 

They may feel safe, but their feeling is not the reality, and as said, the bar offers zero protection once the girl leaves the bar.  

I know a chap very well who has enlisted help on more than one occasion to have a "polite discussion" with a patron of his bar who has seen fit to be "impolite" to one of his stable.

i can remember vividly being escorted down soi buakhao to provide moral support to a wee lass who had suffered the overly enthusiastic affections of a certain German gentleman.

his affections were returned in kind and they were certainly not to his appreciation.

but then it hard to argue with over 300 kilos of angry Australians.

 

M

[Hummin]

On 4/10/2022 at 11:50 AM, Leaver said:

 

No, I don't.

 

 

I agree. 

 

 

I look at topics from all sides, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with other points of view.  I have no problem with debating an issue. 

 

 

I agree it's not pleasant work, and I am sure many guys come to Pattaya to practice their fetishes, but I don't see a lot of bar girls walking around with black eyes, broken noses, and cut lips from being assualted.  Do you? 

 

What is your definition of abuse?

Some fetish is abusing, like anal sex, not use condom, and not listen to girls when they say no. A few examples. 

 

I heard many who said they go bad girls, and also complaining about girls did not want to do a bj. 

 

Abuse comes in many ways, and what if girls suddenly got second thoughts after coming home with a customer? 

 

It happened to me a few times I really did not wanted to have sex with girls, and I promise you, some of them was not happy ????A few of them forced themselves on me to, but not harmed in any way, just the normal day after nerves, I can't tell from a bar girl experience, but I'm quite sure many of them had their experiences they do not talk about. I realized I had a few nutters coming home with me, and also a few smelly ones that turned me off and one with more hair on her bish and legs only a man should have. However western women.

 

If a you barfined a girl, and she do not want to have sex with you, what then? I know that have been discussed before in the old Phuket forum which no longer exists. It was quite a few perverts there in my opinion who should never had a passport.