HighPriority Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Just now, Andrew Dwyer said: Currently Bidirectional Charging or V2V ( vehicle to vehicle ) is limited to some vehicles but is high on the list of improvements for ev’s. https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/bidirectional-charging-and-evs-how-does-it-work-and-which-cars-have-it/ Do you think 00 will click your link or the one for the company I posted…? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Dwyer Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 2 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said: You can do it with your V2L adaptor and your granny charger. That what I thought, am sure I saw someone in Australia do it on an Atto 3 but couldn’t find it. For the unitiated: V2L and Granny chargers are supplied FOC with EV’s , V2L enables running electrical appliances from the car and Granny chargers allow charging from a standard socket which is on the V2L cable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gweiloman Posted March 23 Popular Post Share Posted March 23 58 minutes ago, Andrew Dwyer said: That what I thought, am sure I saw someone in Australia do it on an Atto 3 but couldn’t find it. For the unitiated: V2L and Granny chargers are supplied FOC with EV’s , V2L enables running electrical appliances from the car and Granny chargers allow charging from a standard socket which is on the V2L cable. Admittedly, transferring electrons in this way by the side of the road is going to take an eternity. But again, the chances of ever needing a roadside charge is practically zero. No EV owner with half a brain cell would run their EV down to such a low charge when charging at home is even easier than boiling water (for the uninitiated, boiling water requires the kettle to first be filled with water). 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOilWorker Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 (edited) 12 hours ago, KhunLA said: "How Common Are Electric Car Fires? Electric car fires are exceedingly rare. There will be only three electric car fires per 1,000 vehicles over the vehicle’s lifetime. Fuel-powered vehicles will experience fires 35 times more frequently over their lifetimes. Since 2010, researchers who study vehicle fires found 200 fires in electric cars over the last 12 years. That research also studied the whole world and not just the United States. The U.S., however, had the most fires of that, 200: 52. The researchers also stated that in 20 years, the percentage of electric cars that experience fires might go up after two decades of wear and tear. The number of fires has stayed constant since electric vehicles jumped from experimental status to a viable choice for people buying vehicles. Are Electric Cars More Prone to Fires? Electric cars are not more prone to catching fire than their fuel-powered counterparts. Hybrid vehicles often catch fire because they, in essence, have two engines. It’s still not common even when considering hybrid vehicles, which catch fire about 130 times for every straight-up electric car. That’s still only roughly 3,000 per 100,000 or one in a hundred vehicles over the vehicle’s life. A new lithium battery is also even less prone to fires than lithium-ion batteries. It’s called the lithium iron phosphate battery. Recently, Tesla, Volkswagen, and Ford are switching to these new batteries for their newest vehicles. This will make a rare event even rarer. Still, the risk is so low that there are no plans to recall and retrofit already-produced electric vehicles. The same holds true for hybrid cars, whose fire incidence will also be drastically reduced. Improvements are “coming down the pike” more and more quickly these days, so changes to the power plants of electric vehicles are inevitable. As the market changes, safety measures for these electric vehicles are bound to change along with it." Fires 🔥 per billion miles is a better metrics. Can we agree to the below numbers? ICE: 56 fires/billion miles EV (Tesla): 5 fires/billion miles Tesla is reporting 1 fires/205 million miles. Should be easy for you to verify. Edited March 23 by ExpatOilWorker 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebike Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 So GREAT, we have definitively determined that neither ICE or EV owners should be worried about fire. Next. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 4 minutes ago, mikebike said: So GREAT, we have definitively determined that neither ICE or EV owners should be worried about fire. Next. EVs rare, and getting rarer, especially BEVs, and if you maintain you ICEV, you really shouldn't have a worry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipalongcassidy Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 23 hours ago, Bandersnatch said: https://www.motortrend.com/features/you-are-wrong-about-ev-fires/ Your report from motortrend is only on one country a cold climate country, Sweden, and is behind the times... recent reports are more indicative that ev fires are more common and more deadly... especially in warm countries where the batteries overheat and burst into flames. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipalongcassidy Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 20 hours ago, macahoom said: For the sake of my sanity, would it be possible for AN to instigate an IQ test that members would be required to pass before posting? BUT then you wouldn't be allowed to post... 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post motdaeng Posted March 23 Popular Post Share Posted March 23 10 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said: ... especially in warm countries where the batteries overheat and burst into flames. any source for you claim or you just made it up? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JBChiangRai Posted March 23 Popular Post Share Posted March 23 13 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said: Your report from motortrend is only on one country a cold climate country, Sweden, and is behind the times... recent reports are more indicative that ev fires are more common and more deadly... especially in warm countries where the batteries overheat and burst into flames. Source? Put up or shut up 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipalongcassidy Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 6 minutes ago, motdaeng said: any source for you claim or you just made it up? Just pay attention... 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post motdaeng Posted March 23 Popular Post Share Posted March 23 Just now, Skipalongcassidy said: Just pay attention... so you made your clam up!? please go back under your rock ... 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipalongcassidy Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 7 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said: Source? Put up or shut up https://www.theguardian.com › world › 2024 › feb › 24 › china-apartment-building-fire-deaths-nanji 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipalongcassidy Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 3 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said: Just pay attention... https://technode.com › 2023 › 06 › 07 › four-die-in-volkswagen-ev-fire-after-crash-fueling-safety-d 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipalongcassidy Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 2 minutes ago, motdaeng said: so you made your clam up!? please go back under your rock ... https://apnews.com › article › ebike-fires-lithium-ion-batteries-b5ab9acf9ca317a1b5b917097ac521 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipalongcassidy Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 2 minutes ago, motdaeng said: so you made your clam up!? please go back under your rock ... https://www.straitstimes.com › singapore › transport › ev-fire-cases-rise-with-growing-adoption 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipalongcassidy Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 3 minutes ago, motdaeng said: so you made your clam up!? please go back under your rock ... https://www.energytrend.com › news › 20221018-30074.html 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JBChiangRai Posted March 24 Popular Post Share Posted March 24 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said: https://www.theguardian.com › world › 2024 › feb › 24 › china-apartment-building-fire-deaths-nanji 17 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said: https://technode.com › 2023 › 06 › 07 › four-die-in-volkswagen-ev-fire-after-crash-fueling-safety-d 16 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said: https://apnews.com › article › ebike-fires-lithium-ion-batteries-b5ab9acf9ca317a1b5b917097ac521 16 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said: https://www.straitstimes.com › singapore › transport › ev-fire-cases-rise-with-growing-adoption 15 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said: https://www.energytrend.com › news › 20221018-30074.html so you did make your claim up, just to take one of your posts Hangzhou in China in January the weather is typically around 5°C, nothing to do with warm climates, as others have said, go back under your rock and troll somewhere else in other words skip along elsewhere cassidy Edited March 24 by JBChiangRai 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipalongcassidy Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 7 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said: so you did make your claim up, just to take one of your posts Hangzhou in China in January the weather is typically around 5°C, nothing to do with warm climates, as others have said, go back under your rock and troll somewhere else in other words skip along elsewhere cassidy I told you that you wouldn't read the sources... keep your mind closed... ev infrastructure is lagging behind. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bandersnatch Posted March 24 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 24 18 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said: recent reports are more indicative that ev fires are more common and more deadly No links given so we must assume that you just made that up. The physics is very clear. Gasoline is a highly combustable material. If a fuel line comes in contact with something hot (everything in an ICE car’s engine and exhaust system is hot) it can lead to an explosion. Gasoline vapours can fill the car’s cabin and it only takes one spark to create a ball of fire. If you don’t believe me try this at home - pour a gallon of gasoline on a pile of sticks and lean down and light it (plenty videos on youtube) Fires from Li-ion batteries tend to start slow. Most deaths are attributed to EV fires are due to cheap electric bikes and scooters brought into the home causing fires at night. ”Petrol is a dangerous substance; it is a highly flammable liquid and can give off vapour which can easily be set on fire and when not handled safely has the potential to cause a serious fire and/or explosion” https://www.hse.gov.uk/fireandexplosion/petroleum.htm 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JBChiangRai Posted March 24 Popular Post Share Posted March 24 20 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said: I told you that you wouldn't read the sources... keep your mind closed... ev infrastructure is lagging behind. I read those sources there wasn’t a single one that talked about increased EV fires in hot climates, you’re full of it 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Andrew Dwyer Posted March 24 Popular Post Share Posted March 24 33 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said: I told you that you wouldn't read the sources... keep your mind closed... ev infrastructure is lagging behind. Are you talking about the alleged EV fires or the infrastructure ? I don’t believe you know the meaning of the word ! 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gweiloman Posted March 24 Popular Post Share Posted March 24 (edited) 1 hour ago, Skipalongcassidy said: I told you that you wouldn't read the sources... keep your mind closed... ev infrastructure is lagging behind. In all honesty, I think it’s your mind that’s closed. Thoughts and opinions, particularly those supported by credible sources and research, are welcome. They make for good, fun and interesting debates. You can also make up your own, not facts, but theories but they should at least be logical and pass the smell test at first look. SEA is a hot region so fires (which are also hot) are more frequent unfortunately does not pass aforesaid tests. EV infrastructure is lagging behind in some countries and places, I agree with you. But here in Thailand, it seems to be keeping pace quite nicely. I almost never ever see a queue for charging, probably because most drivers charge at home anyway. Open your mind and you will realise that your misconceptions about EVs are based on a wrong ICEV owner mindset and approach. Edited March 24 by Gweiloman 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOilWorker Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 14 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said: Fires 🔥 per billion miles is a better metrics. Can we agree to the below numbers? ICE: 56 fires/billion miles EV (Tesla): 5 fires/billion miles Tesla is reporting 1 fires/205 million miles. Should be easy for you to verify. @KhunLA, did the cat 🐈 catch your tongue or are you just stuck at a charging station? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBChiangRai Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 11 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said: @KhunLA, did the cat 🐈 catch your tongue or are you just stuck at a charging station? Where are you heading with this? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOilWorker Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 28 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said: Where are you heading with this? What part of "Can we agree to the below numbers?" do you find incredible different to understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBChiangRai Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 13 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said: What part of "Can we agree to the below numbers?" do you find incredible different to understand? Oh, I do understand it, I just wonder why you’re wanting people to agree to it? What’s the agenda? I know enough about you to know you have a hidden agenda. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 2 hours ago, Bandersnatch said: No links given so we must assume that you just made that up. The physics is very clear. Gasoline is a highly combustable material. If a fuel line comes in contact with something hot (everything in an ICE car’s engine and exhaust system is hot) it can lead to an explosion. Gasoline vapours can fill the car’s cabin and it only takes one spark to create a ball of fire. If you don’t believe me try this at home - pour a gallon of gasoline on a pile of sticks and lean down and light it (plenty videos on youtube) Fires from Li-ion batteries tend to start slow. Most deaths are attributed to EV fires are due to cheap electric bikes and scooters brought into the home causing fires at night. ”Petrol is a dangerous substance; it is a highly flammable liquid and can give off vapour which can easily be set on fire and when not handled safely has the potential to cause a serious fire and/or explosion” https://www.hse.gov.uk/fireandexplosion/petroleum.htm Interesting listening from experts, and not the 'experts' here.....😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matchar Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 I think EVs catching fire under normal usage is indeed very rare but when they are involved in a severe collision then the risk is much higher especially with NMC batteries. LFP batteries are generally safer. I believe the Venice bus crash below used LFP batteries but the bus may have landed on high voltage train tracks which caused the batteries to explode. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67001518 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pib Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 I expect this guy has since switched to an EV vs his old ICEV. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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