Popular Post JBChiangRai Posted June 13 Popular Post Share Posted June 13 (edited) 9 minutes ago, vinny41 said: You appear to be disputing that BYD sold nearly 40,000 vehicles in 2023 ignoring the statements by BYD that they sold nearly 40,000 vehicles in 2023 On January 8th Autolife Thailand published that BYD total registrations for 2023 was 30,650 cars clearly that number didn't include the 7,806 vehicles that were sold in 2023 but registered in January 2024 https://autolifethailand.tv/total-ev-bev-register-2023-thailand/ I am not disputing any number of cars sold by BYD. I am disputing you removing January sales registrations from the governments published figures because "you know better". It's wrong. Autolife is a journalistic magazine, journalists are not unknown to invent things or massage facts to suit their article. You can't assume that no cars sold in January were registered in January. Nobody knows the number of cars sold by month, they can guesstimate, all we actually know is the number of cars registered in a month. Edited June 13 by JBChiangRai 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 Just now, ExpatOilWorker said: @vinny41, you are usually on point, but the above doesn't make sense. Did you mean "EU exports FROM Thailand"? When both sides sit down to thrash out an EU-Thailand FTA agreement i am making the assumption that for Thailand vehicle exports to the EU they will be aiming for zero tariffs agreement or very close to a zero tariffs Now i expect someone on the EU side will point out that the current tariffs for EU vehicle exports to Thailand are subject to 80% tariffs and that figure will need to be re-adjusted 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBChiangRai Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 4 minutes ago, vinny41 said: When both sides sit down to thrash out an EU-Thailand FTA agreement i am making the assumption that for Thailand vehicle exports to the EU they will be aiming for zero tariffs agreement or very close to a zero tariffs Now i expect someone on the EU side will point out that the current tariffs for EU vehicle exports to Thailand are subject to 80% tariffs and that figure will need to be re-adjusted Adjusting that figure will destroy the value of the HiSo's Mercedes Benz cars, it would be a very unpopular move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 6 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said: I am not disputing any number of cars sold by BYD. I am disputing you removing January sales from the governments published figures because "you know better". It's wrong. Autolife is a journalistic magazine, journalists are not unknown to invent things or massage facts to suit their article. You can't assume that no cars sold in January were registered in January. Nobody knows the number of cars sold by month, they can guesstimate, all we actually know is the number of cars registered in a month. DLT state BYD registered 30,467 for the whole of 2023 DLT state BYD registered 7,806 for January 2024 When you add both figures together you get close to the approx 40,000 sales target that BYD had for 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBChiangRai Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 Just now, vinny41 said: DLT state BYD registered 30,467 for the whole of 2023 DLT state BYD registered 7,806 for January 2024 When you add both figures together you get close to the approx 40,000 sales target that BYD had for 2023 I am not denying that. But you cannot assume there are no January sales in January registrations. The question is, what is the proportion? We cannot know that, we can only guess, so we have to guess. How do you guess January 2023? January 2025 etc? It's a slippery slope. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 10 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said: I am not disputing any number of cars sold by BYD. I am disputing you removing January sales from the governments published figures because "you know better". It's wrong. Autolife is a journalistic magazine, journalists are not unknown to invent things or massage facts to suit their article. You can't assume that no cars sold in January were registered in January. Nobody knows the number of cars sold by month, they can guesstimate, all we actually know is the number of cars registered in a month. Your flogging a dead horse hear Someone looking to buy a EV in December 2023 they would be told currently B150,000 subsidy on ev cars if you purchased by 31st December and registered by 31st January 2024 or if you prefer wait until next month where we don't know what the pricing will be but we do know that the subsidy will be B50,000 less 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JBChiangRai Posted June 13 Popular Post Share Posted June 13 1 minute ago, vinny41 said: Your flogging a dead horse hear Someone looking to buy a EV in December 2023 they would be told currently B150,000 subsidy on ev cars if you purchased by 31st December and registered by 31st January 2024 or if you prefer wait until next month where we don't know what the pricing will be but we do know that the subsidy will be B50,000 less That doesn't affect the fact we don't know how many vehicles were sold & registered in January. If I were to hazard a guess, I would be comfortable with something like February's figure, but you can't say zero unless you can prove it. It's highly likely some people ordered in December and asked for early January delivery. I have done this many times in my life. Once you start fudging official figures, you have to say why (you've done that), gain a concensus (you don't have that), and post approximate figures, maybe to the nearest 100 or 1,000 but you cant fudge figures down to individual cars. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JBChiangRai Posted June 13 Popular Post Share Posted June 13 9 minutes ago, vinny41 said: Your flogging a dead horse hear Nee Naw Nee Naw Nee Naw - spelling police 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 11 minutes ago, vinny41 said: Your flogging a dead horse hear Someone looking to buy a EV in December 2023 they would be told currently B150,000 subsidy on ev cars if you purchased by 31st December and registered by 31st January 2024 or if you prefer wait until next month where we don't know what the pricing will be but we do know that the subsidy will be B50,000 less That's why we took advantage of the 240k when offered, 2+ yrs ago, and not knowing how long it would last, or be extended. Hindsight ... luckily wouldn't have done anything different. Though the ZS did go on sale a few times, for 80-130k off, but only recently. Which would have meant more depreciation of the ICEV before selling, and 20 months of petrol saving lost, so all a bit of a wash, and got to drive a better performing vehicle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said: That doesn't affect the fact we don't know how many vehicles were sold & registered in January. If I were to hazard a guess, I would be comfortable with something like February's figure, but you can't say zero unless you can prove it. It's highly likely some people ordered in December and asked for early January delivery. I have done this many times in my life. Once you start fudging official figures, you have to say why (you've done that), gain a concensus (you don't have that), and post approximate figures, maybe to the nearest 100 or 1,000 but you cant fudge figures down to individual cars. I am not fudging official figures as you state , the official figures are based on registrations not sales Byd state their sales target for 2023 was 40,000 and it seems they got very close to that figure with DLT state BYD registered 30,467 for the whole of 2023 DLT state BYD registered 7,806 for January 2024 so the combined registrations for January 2024 and the Whole of 2023 is 38,273 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOilWorker Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 29 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said: Adjusting that figure will destroy the value of the HiSo's Mercedes Benz cars, it would be a very unpopular move. Add BMW to that list. We need to keep these new energy vehicles where they belong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBChiangRai Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 54 minutes ago, vinny41 said: I am not fudging official figures as you state , the official figures are based on registrations not sales Byd state their sales target for 2023 was 40,000 and it seems they got very close to that figure with DLT state BYD registered 30,467 for the whole of 2023 DLT state BYD registered 7,806 for January 2024 so the combined registrations for January 2024 and the Whole of 2023 is 38,273 That statement is true. I am somewhat unconvinced at the relevance of 13 months figures, a baker's dozen months, must be a baker's year.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 (edited) 49 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said: That statement is true. I am somewhat unconvinced at the relevance of 13 months figures, a baker's dozen months, must be a baker's year.... From an automotive manufacturers point of view they are primarily focused on number of sales with the rules of the EV 3.0 they are also focused on registrations as it not until the vehicle is registered that the government releases the subsidy back to the brand or importer Its simple for sales numbers each year you look at registration figures from Feb 1st to Feb 1st Byd registration figures from Feb 1st 2023 to Feb 1st 2024 for all types RY1 RY6 is 37,478 which is close to the 40,000 sales figure for 2023 Edited June 13 by vinny41 add 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ExpatOilWorker Posted June 13 Popular Post Share Posted June 13 Atto 3, a fine example of Chinese quality. An9YAbq1JQNYSlXZ0fsIpnuk3pTsi1sxsM9JP4PdbJAEhDF1gyp8XK12jFRl23lcjuvUxxOW71XYov_9EjVHzh4.mp4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOilWorker Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 (edited) DLH meets BYD. Makes perfect sense, low weight, short distances and lots of stop-n-go. Edited June 13 by ExpatOilWorker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroveHillWanderer Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 3 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said: Atto 3, a fine example of Chinese quality. An9YAbq1JQNYSlXZ0fsIpnuk3pTsi1sxsM9JP4PdbJAEhDF1gyp8XK12jFRl23lcjuvUxxOW71XYov_9EjVHzh4.mp4 Yet another video with no source or useful information about what it depicts. For instance, is there anything to indicate that isn't just an example of someone forgetting to latch the bonnet (hood) of their vehicle properly? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 3 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said: Yet another video with no source or useful information about what it depicts. For instance, is there anything to indicate that isn't just an example of someone forgetting to latch the bonnet (hood) of their vehicle properly? A vehicle hood/bonnet all have a "catch" in case you forget to close it properly......🤭 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 4 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said: Yet another video with no source or useful information about what it depicts. For instance, is there anything to indicate that isn't just an example of someone forgetting to latch the bonnet (hood) of their vehicle properly? You have to actually latch the hood on BYDs? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 Just now, transam said: A vehicle hood/bonnet all have a "catch" in case you forget to close it properly......🤭 Not in China, apparently you have to make sure they are latched properly so they don't blow up. Likely a safety device to keep the owners from getting locked it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 8 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: Not in China, apparently you have to make sure they are latched properly so they don't blow up. Likely a safety device to keep the owners from getting locked it. That sounds daft, in all my life of motoring I have never had a car without a safety latch, but then I have never had a Chinese ride............😝 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBChiangRai Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 1 hour ago, transam said: A vehicle hood/bonnet all have a "catch" in case you forget to close it properly......🤭 All cars have safety latches, but they will release over a bump. Sad to say, I've been there and got the T-shirt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 2 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said: All cars have safety latches, but they will release over a bump. Sad to say, I've been there and got the T-shirt. I have never had a bonnet pop up at all, but then again, I maintained all my cars........😘 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pib Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 Pretty easy to find videos of hoods opening while driving. I found three pretty quick by googling for youtube videos...a Nissan compact, some expensive sports car, and a pickup truck. Scary as heck when it happens. As Forrest Gump said, "Sh%t Happens." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JBChiangRai Posted June 13 Popular Post Share Posted June 13 The hoods popping up is nearly always the driver forgetting to close it fully. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said: The hoods popping up is nearly always the driver forgetting to close it fully. And apparently in the case of Chinese cars, "forgetting to latch the bonnet" securely. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pib Posted June 13 Popular Post Share Posted June 13 (edited) 8 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said: Atto 3, a fine example of Chinese quality. An9YAbq1JQNYSlXZ0fsIpnuk3pTsi1sxsM9JP4PdbJAEhDF1gyp8XK12jFRl23lcjuvUxxOW71XYov_9EjVHzh4.mp4 On an Atto if the hood is not fully (double) latched and only the safety latch is engaged you get a red visual and sound warning on your display. On the display the hood displays as red and there is sound notification. Happened to me two days ago when driving away from my house. About 10 minutes earlier I had opened the hood to just look in the engine area which I do once a week or so...and apparently I didn't drop the hood from a high enough height for it to fully engage/double latch. It looked closed but actually it was not fully/double latched...the 1st latch was latched but apparently not 2nd latch. You need to drop the hood from about a height of 10 inches or so to ensure its fully/double latches. As I started to drive away from the house I got the visual and sound warning saying the hood was not fully closed. It appeared closed but when I reached down to pull the hood latch which takes "two" pulls to open the hood which disengages both latches I felt only one latch needed to be released. Got out of the car, opened the hood, dropped it from a height of around 10 inches and it fully closed/double latched. Even my Totyota Fortuner hood hasn't fully/double latched a few times over the decade and half I've owned it. Sh%t Happens. Edited June 13 by Pib 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 14 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said: The hoods popping up is nearly always the driver forgetting to close it fully. Seems the car in question was in a service centre due to accident https://www.facebook.com/groups/bydthailand/permalink/820050933435023 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pib Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 3 minutes ago, vinny41 said: Seems the car in question was in a service centre due to accident https://www.facebook.com/groups/bydthailand/permalink/820050933435023 Yeap...according to the translation repair from a frontal collision in a few months earlier. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBChiangRai Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 One of the reasons you should service at the authorized dealer is the little things like greasing the bonnet latch cable. Somchai in his little workshop probably won’t do things like that because he doesn’t work from the manufacturers checklist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post josephbloggs Posted June 13 Popular Post Share Posted June 13 3 hours ago, JBChiangRai said: One of the reasons you should service at the authorized dealer is the little things like greasing the bonnet latch cable. Somchai in his little workshop probably won’t do things like that because he doesn’t work from the manufacturers checklist. Also another reason why you take any video EOW posts with a massive bucket of salt. It is tiresome - no context to the videos, no write up of what happened, just anti-Chinese nonsense. Getting very very boring now. 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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