Popular Post JBChiangRai Posted June 18 Popular Post Share Posted June 18 15 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said: After the tsunami of EV propaganda, the tide is rolling out again. With just about 1:3 EV owners waking up and going back to ICE, who of our local members want to raise their hand first? I would say that's a fair assessment for the "former colonies". But in Thailand, we have an abundance of charging stations, cheap but high quality Chinese EV's, so the issues mentioned in the McKinsey article (sponsored by Toyota?) don't exist here. I agree on autonomous driving, a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 18 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said: After the tsunami of EV propaganda, the tide is rolling out again. With just about 1:3 EV owners waking up and going back to ICE, who of our local members want to raise their hand first? It's just because the bottom has fallen out of gas prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pib Posted June 18 Popular Post Share Posted June 18 Regarding the 2024 Mobility Consumer Global Survey referenced in EOW's above post, below details the number of people surveyed (such as 1003, in the U.S.) and the countries surveyed. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pib Posted June 18 Popular Post Share Posted June 18 (edited) Some snapshots/charts/stats from the 2024 Mobility Consumer Global Survey Download the survey at below website: https://www.deloitte.com/global/en/Industries/automotive/perspectives/global-automotive-consumer-study.html *********************************** ****************************** ***************************************** ************************************** Edited June 18 by Pib 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOilWorker Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 33 minutes ago, Pib said: Some snapshots/charts/stats from the 2024 Mobility Consumer Global Survey Download the survey at below website: https://www.deloitte.com/global/en/Industries/automotive/perspectives/global-automotive-consumer-study.html *********************************** ****************************** ***************************************** ************************************** Thanks for the deep dive into the numbers Pib. The 10% for South East Asia, perfectly match where the EV sales fraction have leveled out in Thailand since February this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post josephbloggs Posted June 18 Popular Post Share Posted June 18 @ExpatOilWorker I notice you didn't post the video of the petrol station fire in Pattaya. Weird, anyone would think you might be biased. 2 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post josephbloggs Posted June 18 Popular Post Share Posted June 18 Slightly off topic but I am in the UK for a couple of weeks. BYD are major sponsors of the Euros. Pitch side electronic hardings, TV Commercials for the Seal during the breaks. No other car manufacturer is advertising at the Euros at all. Like it or not, BYD has major ambitions (and I do like it even though I don't own one). 1 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vinny41 Posted June 18 Popular Post Share Posted June 18 (edited) 23 minutes ago, josephbloggs said: Slightly off topic but I am in the UK for a couple of weeks. BYD are major sponsors of the Euros. Pitch side electronic hardings, TV Commercials for the Seal during the breaks. No other car manufacturer is advertising at the Euros at all. Like it or not, BYD has major ambitions (and I do like it even though I don't own one). Unlikely to see many Byd seals on the road in UK with prices ranging from the equivalent of B2,1 million baht to B2,2 million baht and the majority of car insurance companies stock reply is computer says NO for policy Exclusive: Some Chinese cars ‘almost uninsurable’ as parts and repair support falters Parts shortages and a lack of technical support are giving insurance underwriters the jitters when it comes to the new wave of Chinese cars hitting the UK The BYD Seal is one example of a new Chinese model that is hard to get covered, with very few insurance companies prepared to underwrite it. We searched a leading comparison site and were offered just three very high quotes, compared with the dozens of competitive quotes one would expect for a mainstream rival. https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-insurance/362519/exclusive-some-chinese-cars-almost-uninsurable-parts-and-repair-support Edited June 18 by vinny41 add 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOilWorker Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 23 minutes ago, josephbloggs said: @ExpatOilWorker I notice you didn't post the video of the petrol station fire in Pattaya. Weird, anyone would think you might be biased. Very funny 😁. Not sure how a petrol fire is relevant to an EV thread, but I will meet you halfway, with a gas vehicle fire. kSHJ1vXAO_oIawwv.mp4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 58 minutes ago, josephbloggs said: @ExpatOilWorker I notice you didn't post the video of the petrol station fire in Pattaya. Weird, anyone would think you might be biased. No one would dare think that of you... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Issanman Posted June 18 Popular Post Share Posted June 18 Why do so many non-EV owners come to this thread to try and talk EV owners into to hating their cars? It's not working, guys. The EV owners know better than to believe that garbage you are spreading. Have a nice day. 🙂 3 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balo Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 7 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said: From the toys department: Fomm One. Are you planning to drive with it in Thailand? Maybe good for Bangkok traffic? Just make sure the battery will survive the rush hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post josephbloggs Posted June 18 Popular Post Share Posted June 18 5 hours ago, Yellowtail said: No one would dare think that of you... Why would I be biased? I don't own an EV, I own two petrol cars, not even hybrids. 1 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 People should expect EV insurance increases in 2025 due to number of water in battery claims OIC orders 23 companies to submit risk management plans "EV guarantee In the past, the OIC has been concerned about flooding threats to EV vehicles. That is not only damage to the car. But it brings damage to other points, whether it's the battery, software, but it has been proven that many cases are affected by flooding. The damage was not as severe as expected. Still at an acceptable level “OIC warns all companies to be careful of flooding. Which areas are insured and flooding occurs frequently? Let each company quote EV insurance premiums to reflect the actual risk. https://www.prachachat.net/finance/news-1569337 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ExpatOilWorker Posted June 19 Popular Post Share Posted June 19 10 minutes ago, vinny41 said: People should expect EV insurance increases in 2025 due to number of water in battery claims OIC orders 23 companies to submit risk management plans "EV guarantee In the past, the OIC has been concerned about flooding threats to EV vehicles. That is not only damage to the car. But it brings damage to other points, whether it's the battery, software, but it has been proven that many cases are affected by flooding. The damage was not as severe as expected. Still at an acceptable level “OIC warns all companies to be careful of flooding. Which areas are insured and flooding occurs frequently? Let each company quote EV insurance premiums to reflect the actual risk. https://www.prachachat.net/finance/news-1569337 While it is understandable insurance companies are assessing their cost/risk exposure, why are manufacturers not honoring their 8 years warranty claim? Even more so, why aren't manufacturers being held accountable? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 9 hours ago, josephbloggs said: Why would I be biased? I don't own an EV, I own two petrol cars, not even hybrids. If you're not biased, why do you not own an EV? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 2 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said: While it is understandable insurance companies are assessing their cost/risk exposure, why are manufacturers not honoring their 8 years warranty claim? Even more so, why aren't manufacturers being held accountable? I have seen some posts on facebook groups where the Insurance company is refusing to approve replacement battery for water in the battery issue problem for the end customer neither the dealer workshop and the insurance company provides any updates on what the issue is and what the end result will be i see you posted recently where someone got the red triangle of death on their screen after a car wash and the mechanic made the call water in the battery but it turns out later they hadn't got the necessary equipment at the workshop to remove the battery and that the vehicle needs to be sent back to the factory so is it the case the workshop has access to sensors that can detect that there is moisture in the battery how do you make the call that there is water in the battery without removing and opening up the battery It reminds me of years ago when people got the Blue screen of death ( BSOD) some computer shops would suggest new computer was required without performing any form of diagnosis work on what was causing the BSOD 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOilWorker Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 2 hours ago, vinny41 said: I have seen some posts on facebook groups where the Insurance company is refusing to approve replacement battery for water in the battery issue problem for the end customer neither the dealer workshop and the insurance company provides any updates on what the issue is and what the end result will be i see you posted recently where someone got the red triangle of death on their screen after a car wash and the mechanic made the call water in the battery but it turns out later they hadn't got the necessary equipment at the workshop to remove the battery and that the vehicle needs to be sent back to the factory so is it the case the workshop has access to sensors that can detect that there is moisture in the battery how do you make the call that there is water in the battery without removing and opening up the battery It reminds me of years ago when people got the Blue screen of death ( BSOD) some computer shops would suggest new computer was required without performing any form of diagnosis work on what was causing the BSOD The 8 years warranty is turning out to be a hollow promise and the Thais are slowly waking up from the EV propaganda slumber. While social media last year was full of proud new owners posing in front of their car with a silly oversized reusable red ribbon 🎀 on the hood, the mood is a bit more angry this year. 29% of EV owners have buyers remorse, more will soon follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motdaeng Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 (edited) 16 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said: The 8 years warranty is turning out to be a hollow promise and the Thais are slowly waking up from the EV propaganda slumber. While social media last year was full of proud new owners posing in front of their car with a silly oversized reusable red ribbon 🎀 on the hood, the mood is a bit more angry this year. 29% of EV owners have buyers remorse, more will soon follow. are you talking about thailand? or maybe chinese people in thailand? any link? (just as a reminder, topic is about ev's in thailand) Edited June 19 by motdaeng 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Dwyer Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 21 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said: The 8 years warranty is turning out to be a hollow promise and the Thais are slowly waking up from the EV propaganda slumber. While social media last year was full of proud new owners posing in front of their car with a silly oversized reusable red ribbon 🎀 on the hood, the mood is a bit more angry this year. 29% of EV owners have buyers remorse, more will soon follow. Yes, those “ silly oversized reusable red ribbons 🎀 “ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOilWorker Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 27 minutes ago, motdaeng said: are you talking about thailand? or maybe chinese people in thailand? any link? (just as a reminder, topic is about ev's in thailand) It is a translation thing Mr. Red Ant. Just like we had the news article with 10,000 EVs not "running". It was a translation of not moving, as in not selling but ended up being not running. Read the meaning, not the individual words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 19 minutes ago, Andrew Dwyer said: Yes, those “ silly oversized reusable red ribbons 🎀 “ I think it's nice to have a picture of the car with the ribbon, the flowers and the giant key. My wife loves the one she has with the Fortuner. And don't forget to drive over the limes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOilWorker Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 35 minutes ago, Andrew Dwyer said: Yes, those “ silly oversized reusable red ribbons 🎀 “ Absolutely love it. You also want one, right? Should I bring this thread back on subject with an EV crash? Because we had a Tesla Y crash earlier today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOilWorker Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 1 hour ago, motdaeng said: are you talking about thailand? or maybe chinese people in thailand? any link? (just as a reminder, topic is about ev's in thailand) Another BYD owner's cry for help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bandersnatch Posted June 19 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 19 19 hours ago, balo said: Are you planning to drive with it in Thailand? Maybe good for Bangkok traffic? Just make sure the battery will survive the rush hours. I drove a Fomm one at the BKK Motor in 2019. At the time I thought it was a lot of car for the money, particularly as it’s also a boat. In recent years there has been increased competition in the sub ฿500,000 EV market. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOilWorker Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 Another Seal bites the dust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bandersnatch Posted June 19 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 19 (edited) On 6/18/2024 at 6:17 PM, josephbloggs said: notice you didn't post the video of the petrol station fire in Pattaya. There was a fire at a Petrol station in Surin this week, one of the few that didn’t have any EV charging! I drove past it yesterday and it was totally gutted. The sooner they are replaced by clean safe EV charging stations the better. Thailand has some of the worst air pollution in the world they should seriously consider Ultra Low Emission Zones for city centers with financial incentives to help people dump the pump. Edited June 19 by Bandersnatch 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post josephbloggs Posted June 19 Popular Post Share Posted June 19 9 hours ago, Yellowtail said: If you're not biased, why do you not own an EV? That literally makes no sense at all. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gweiloman Posted June 19 Popular Post Share Posted June 19 21 hours ago, Issanman said: Why do so many non-EV owners come to this thread to try and talk EV owners into to hating their cars? It's not working, guys. The EV owners know better than to believe that garbage you are spreading. Have a nice day. 🙂 Well said. I think they just have too much time on their hands and just like to troll. I don’t have anyone on ignore but I just skip through their posts as it generally nonsense and I don’t have that much time on my hands. As an EV as well as PHEV and ICEV owner, I think that EVs are really the bees knees, best thing since sliced bread. The ride is so smooth, the acceleration so imperceptible that very often, I surprise myself at the speed that I’m travelling at. I’m definitely a convert but as I’ve said many times before, it’s not suitable for everyone. Home charging, frequency of long distance trips etc etc. That’s why I have different vehicles for different situations. Same reason why I own both a phillips and a slotty. 1 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 10 minutes ago, josephbloggs said: That literally makes no sense at all. You only have ICEVs because you are biased against EVs. If you were really unbiased, you would have an EV and an ICEV. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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