Electric Vehicles in Thailand

[ExpatOilWorker]

44 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

EV's low on power ???... You truly haven't checked this out before posting, why not ?

 

The Tesla Model 3 performance can do Zero to 100 kmh in 2.9 seconds - thats a supercar beater and only surpassed by what now are called Hypercars. 

The BYD Seal Performance does 0-100 Kmh in 3.8 seconds.

The SUV KIA EV 5 does 0-100 Kmh in 6.1 seconds.

 

No cars in their segment are quicker.... (unless looking at RS model Audi's or AMG Mercs etc).

 

 

Regarding sales: 

Sales trends of all vehicles slowed down in 2024....   with EV's still holding a minor part of the market sales trends slowed the least with ICE's actually having a negative trend shift. 

 

As below from 2023 to 2024

- Regular ICE cars saw a -4.3% drop in sales.

- Pick-up ICE's saw no change

- EV's saw an increase in 66.7% (which is actually reduction in the previously increasing rate / trend rate, nevertheless a 66.7% growth).

 

 

This also shows that EV's have a 5% market share, but have increased that market share from 0.1% in 2020 to 1.2% in 2022, 3% in 2024.....   this there remains growth as a percentage of the market... 

 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

In 2024 battery electric vehicles (BEVs) registered in Thailand decrease by 8.1% compared to 2023

 

In the same period pickup truck registrations were down 38.4%

 

 

 

 

 

I see we are still struggling with percentage calculations or maybe just spreading fake numbers, or maybe both?

[richard_smith237]

5 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

 

I see we are still struggling with percentage calculations or maybe just spreading fake numbers, or maybe both?

 

I see we (you) are struggling with basic mathematics !!!...  Look again...  

 

....450,000 units sold in 2024, 450,000 units told in 2024....  thats a 0% change... 

 

I do hope your 'offshore work' is roustabout and not Subsea engineer !!!    

 

 

Its ok to be a little embarrassed, sometimes the day is long !!!...  have a beer...   

 

 

 

 

[ExpatOilWorker]

11 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

I see we (you) are struggling with basic mathematics !!!...  Look again...  

 

....450,000 units sold in 2024, 450,000 units told in 2024....  thats a 0% change... 

 

I do hope your 'offshore work' is roustabout and not Subsea engineer !!!    

 

 

Its ok to be a little embarrassed, sometimes the day is long !!!...  have a beer...   

 

 

 

 

Did we have two 2024 in a row?

Darn, I missed that and kind of doubt we had the exact same sales numbers 2 years in a row.

Anyway, I will let you two work it out in the shower. You can't both be right, but you can both be wrong  😉 .

 

[richard_smith237]

45 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Did we have two 2024 in a row?

Darn, I missed that and kind of doubt we had the exact same sales numbers 2 years in a row.

 

I doubt the sources are perfect as they are rounded to the nearest 1000 - nevertheless the general indication is there.

 

45 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Anyway, I will let you two work it out in the shower. You can't both be right, but you can both be wrong  😉 .

 

We can 'both be generally right' which is the case here - the numbers vary because the sources vary....  fairly obvious I think.

 

45 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

 

 

Different sources different figures...

 

Both indicate the same general consensus - EV sales increasing, while ICE sales (either pick-ups or conventional cars)  decreasing in sales. 

 

Thus regardless of the specific numbers involved, both Bander's comment and my comment highlight the flaw in the comment of yours [ExpatOW].

 

 

 

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You may read this

 

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/general/2967046/thai-car-production-slumps-24-63-in-january-as-sales-exports-fall

[Bandersnatch]

1 hour ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

2 hours ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

In 2024 battery electric vehicles (BEVs) registered in Thailand decrease by 8.1% compared to 2023

 

In the same period pickup truck registrations were down 38.4%

 

 

 

 

 

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I see we are still struggling with percentage calculations or maybe just spreading fake numbers, or maybe both?

 

"Fake numbers"?

 

Here are some pictures for you instead 

 

 

[ExpatOilWorker]

15 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

"Fake numbers"?

 

Here are some pictures for you instead 

 

 

Nice, I guess you guys shorted it all out in the shower 🚿 😉. 

 

Its ok to be a little embarrassed, sometimes the day is long !!!...  have a beer...   

 

[richard_smith237]

10 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Nice, I guess you guys shorted it all out in the shower 🚿 😉. 

 

Its ok to be a little embarrassed, sometimes the day is long !!!...  have a beer...   

 

 

You stated [ EVs are low on power and sales ]....

 

You are wrong on the power aspect...   (as shown with examples)

You are wrong that EV sales were down... (as evidenced with two different sets of stats)

 

Thus... why would you try and save face ?? Doubling down on your mistake is making you appear rather stubborn and silly..

 

[ExpatOilWorker]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

I doubt the sources are perfect as they are rounded to the nearest 1000 - nevertheless the general indication is there.

 

 

We can 'both be generally right' which is the case here - the numbers vary because the sources vary....  fairly obvious I think.

 

 

Different sources different figures...

 

Both indicate the same general consensus - EV sales increasing, while ICE sales (either pick-ups or conventional cars)  decreasing in sales. 

 

Thus regardless of the specific numbers involved, both Bander's comment and my comment highlight the flaw in the comment of yours [ExpatOW].

 

 

 

OK, +/- 40% is an acceptable error of margins in EV land, got it!

 

That also explain why EV owners are happy when the actual range is 40% lower than the promised range.

Next time my size 45 steel toe boots arrive in size 27, I will just practice a few days of footbinding and get on with it.

[Yellowtail]

11 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

You stated [ EVs are low on power and sales ]....

 

You are wrong on the power aspect...   (as shown with examples)

You are wrong that EV sales were down... (as evidenced with two different sets of stats)

 

Thus... why would you try and save face ?? Doubling down on your mistake is making you appear rather stubborn and silly..

 

Hey, what EV did you end up getting? 

 

[ExpatOilWorker]

11 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

You stated [ EVs are low on power and sales ]....

 

You are wrong on the power aspect...   (as shown with examples)

You are wrong that EV sales were down... (as evidenced with two different sets of stats)

 

Thus... why would you try and save face ?? Doubling down on your mistake is making you appear rather stubborn and silly..

 

 

EV in Thailand sales are down in 2024, that is just an undisputed fact.

 

Its ok to be a little embarrassed, sometimes the day is long !!!...  have a beer...   

 

 

[ExpatOilWorker]

50 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

"Fake numbers"?

 

Here are some pictures for you instead 

 

 

Darn, cherry 🍒,  how did -38.3% get to -38.4%????

Every bit of cheating counts.

 

[ExpatOilWorker]

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

EV's low on power ???... You truly haven't checked this out before posting, why not ?

 

The Tesla Model 3 performance can do Zero to 100 kmh in 2.9 seconds - thats a supercar beater and only surpassed by what now are called Hypercars. 

The BYD Seal Performance does 0-100 Kmh in 3.8 seconds.

The SUV KIA EV 5 does 0-100 Kmh in 6.1 seconds.

 

No cars in their segment are quicker.... (unless looking at RS model Audi's or AMG Mercs etc).

 

 

Regarding sales: 

Sales trends of all vehicles slowed down in 2024....   with EV's still holding a minor part of the market sales trends slowed the least with ICE's actually having a negative trend shift. 

 

As below from 2023 to 2024

- Regular ICE cars saw a -4.3% drop in sales.

- Pick-up ICE's saw no change

- EV's saw an increase in 66.7% (which is actually reduction in the previously increasing rate / trend rate, nevertheless a 66.7% growth).

 

 

This also shows that EV's have a 5% market share, but have increased that market share from 0.1% in 2020 to 1.2% in 2022, 3% in 2024.....   this there remains growth as a percentage of the market... 

 

 

 

 

Based on Cherry's 🍒 numbers, not a single of your numbers are correct. Not ICE pickup 2023/24 nor BEV 2024. All wrong.

Is it even from Thailand 🇹🇭? Do you have a source?

 

[matchar]

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

EV's low on power ???... You truly haven't checked this out before posting, why not ?

 

The Tesla Model 3 performance can do Zero to 100 kmh in 2.9 seconds - thats a supercar beater and only surpassed by what now are called Hypercars. 

The BYD Seal Performance does 0-100 Kmh in 3.8 seconds.

The SUV KIA EV 5 does 0-100 Kmh in 6.1 seconds.

 

No cars in their segment are quicker.... (unless looking at RS model Audi's or AMG Mercs etc).

 

 

Regarding sales: 

Sales trends of all vehicles slowed down in 2024....   with EV's still holding a minor part of the market sales trends slowed the least with ICE's actually having a negative trend shift. 

 

As below from 2023 to 2024

- Regular ICE cars saw a -4.3% drop in sales.

- Pick-up ICE's saw no change

- EV's saw an increase in 66.7% (which is actually reduction in the previously increasing rate / trend rate, nevertheless a 66.7% growth).

 

 

This also shows that EV's have a 5% market share, but have increased that market share from 0.1% in 2020 to 1.2% in 2022, 3% in 2024.....   this there remains growth as a percentage of the market... 

 

 

 

 

What is the source for your data? As it looks completely wrong showing no drop in pickup sales and an increase in EV sales.

 

Actually ExpatOilWorker is correct and BEV sales are down slightly in 2024.

 

[richard_smith237]

22 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

EV in Thailand sales are down in 2024, that is just an undisputed fact.

 

From a different source (the most negative one I can find) it does show that while the whole industry car sales were down by 26%, EV car sales were down by 12%....  (not other sources contradict this and show an increase in car sales - such as the information I posted earlier).

 

In 2024, Thailand sold 76,000 EV's - this was ~12% of all vehicles sold in the country.

In 2024, Thailand sold 66,732 EV - this was ~12% of all vehicles sold in the country.

 

Thailand's Total car sales in 2024 were 572,675 units, down 26.2% from 2023. This was due to a number of factors, including high household debt, strict lending criteria, and weak consumer demand. 

 

 

As proportion of total car sales...  EV sales in Thailand have maintained the same percentage...

ALL car sales are down (for the reasons mentioned above) EV car sales have not reduced disproportionately than ICE's...   But, as mentoined that is the most negative set of stats I can find. 

 

All other stats I see show that there have been more more EV sales in 2024 than in 2023... But, there have been less ICE sales in 2024 than in 2023...   The whole market has taken a dump, but less so for EV's in Thailand. 

 

 

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I think one of the issues that keeps us arguing this is that the sources all have their own information, there is no central confirmed information its all different and contradicts - there is no central factual information database etc...    thus we can cherry pick which ever piece of data suits us.

 

I've attempted to be as un-bias as possible and find a range of information.

 

In summary - there are 3 conclusions to be made from the numbers I've observed, all of which slightly contradict each other: 

 

1) Car sales on a whole dropped between 2023 and 2024

2) EV Sales did not drop between 2023 and 2024

3) or EV Sales have dropped but only half as much as the whole car market.

 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

2 minutes ago, matchar said:

What is the source for your data? As it looks completely wrong showing no drop in pickup sales and an increase in EV sales.

 

Actually ExpatOilWorker is correct and BEV sales are down slightly in 2024.

 

 

Explained above... lots of sources..... all show varied information.

 

 

 

[Yellowtail]

Why is everyone concerned about the sales numbers? I live and drive in Bangkok, and given the proliferation of EVs, I think there here to stay, at least for a while. 

 

What is the most popular brand and model? Thinking about getting one for my boy. 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

9 minutes ago, matchar said:

What is the source for your data? As it looks completely wrong showing no drop in pickup sales and an increase in EV sales.

 

Actually ExpatOilWorker is correct and BEV sales are down slightly in 2024.

 

 

 

Using the Statistic figures...

100,000 EVs sold in 2023

  97,000 EVs sold in 2024  

 

 

The a total drop in total vehicle sales of 2024 of 26.2% from 2023...  EV sales were 'relatively un-impacted in comparison to ICE's.

 

Thus - the 'narative' that EV's sales are slowing, which when written earlier in the the thread implied a 'turn away from EV tech' is not holding water.... its a falsely pushed narrative.... 

 

 

... and perhaps wishful thinking from someone in the oil industry, who doesn't really need to worry, because the world still desperately needs oil !!!! 

 

 

 

 

https://www.marklines.com/en/statistics/flash_sales/automotive-sales-in-thailand-by-month

 

[richard_smith237]

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Why is everyone concerned about the sales numbers? I live and drive in Bangkok, and given the proliferation of EVs, I think there here to stay, at least for a while. 

 

What is the most popular brand and model? Thinking about getting one for my boy. 

 

Do not get a NETA... hideous things.

 

Look at incoming Xiaomi - looks something special !!!

 

Most popular brand and Model....   BYD Seal seems very popular. 

 

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Why is 'everyone' concerned about sales numbers ? - for the usual reasons...  A claim is made to support a narative, that narative that EV sales are dropping off, which seemed to imply that EV's are no longer popular, perhaps even a dying technology (I may have read between the lines too much), but the reality is all sales have dropped off... and EV sales have either not dropped off at all, or have not dropped of anywhere near as much as ICE sales have - depending on which stats are observed.

[ExpatOilWorker]

14 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

who doesn't really need to worry, because the world still desperately needs oil !!!! 

I can't sleep at night, because we are going to net-zero in 2050, right? RIGHT???

 

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

I can't sleep at night, because we are going to net-zero in 2025, right? RIGHT???

 

 

Indeed...      is all a bit ridiculous and guys like you and I know this is just Politicians punching a ticket while India and China's Coal consumption increases 3x over the past decade...