Who knows.  BYD is talking a "global" release of the Atto 8.  But "global" release does not mean it would be released in every country BYD currently sells vehicles in like Thailand. 

 

However, the Atto 3 is probably ready for a "generational" change in Thailand like how the Toyota Fortuner undergoes a generational change every 5 years or so where there is some truly significant change in specs along with interior & exterior looks.   The  Atto 8 could represent a generational change in both BEV an PHEV versions and allow BYD to crank the price back up for the Atto models....out with the old, in with the new type thing.   Hey, maybe a reason for another huge price cut on the Atto 3?   

 

This latest huge price cut may just scare off a lot of future potential Atto 3 buyers after the current promotion ends....from fear of a new model release in in 2026 like an Atto 8.  

 

Below are some BYD "Mexico" Atto 8 teasers...but I think it's the Atto 8 PHEV vs BEV version...the PHEV version probably makes better sense for Mexico.   And the BYD Mexico website is already showing the Atto 8 PHEV as a model they sell. 

 

 Maybe in 2026 we'll see BYD "Thailand" Atto 8 teasers....generational change teasers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

BYD Mexico....below is the Atto 8 "PHEV" model

On 10/26/2025 at 10:11 AM, KhunLA said:

I haven't sat in it, IM6, but it's all around larger than our ZS, so guess I wouldn't have any issue getting in/out.

comparing to the ZS, the IM6 is massive, even bigger than the SL7. you should definitely try it out.

The basic suspension is ok, not as good and refined as the SL7 thou. the Top model with Air suspension i didnt try it. but should be too expensive.

I tried the SL7 for over 10 days and the car is truly amazing, I didnt find a single flaw.

 

Wow, The Atto 8 really looks like a nice upgrade even against the Sealion 7.
it has a 100.5 kWh (LFP) 1000V battery, and 1000kW charging (8.4C). Now that is truly fast charging, but needs 1000A. even at 250A where most chargers can handle, that's 250kW.

 

Since we have talked the BYD Atto price cut I thought this might be a good time to give my 2 year and/or 50,000 kilometer report on my 2023 Atto 3 Extended Range model (60.5KWH battery).  Last week I went over the 2 year mark and had an odometer reading over 52,000km.   I’ve had no “major” problems that caused any significant downtime,  but I have had both rear tail light turn signal assemblies replaced and the steering wheel intermediate steering shaft replaced.   I describe below why these parts were replaced....and I also talk tire wear/condition and traction battery State of Health at the end.

 

Tail light turn signal problem: 

  (a) the "left" rear tail light assembly had to be replaced around the 14 month point as the light became intermittent….or would start blinking abnormally.  By abnormally I mean sometimes the light worked fine/no problem….other times it would not do sequential blinking in how each little LEDs comprising the light assembly would not turn on/off in the proper sequence….and other times it would barely work at all.  When barely working it would also cause the turn signal indicator on the dash to blink at “twice its normal rate” (this really gets your attention) including the front and external mirror turn signal lights.  I guess this "double time blinking" is BYD’s way of notifying the driver there is a problem with the light....take a look at your lights.    See video below of when it barely worked.  

  (b)   And the "right" rear tail light assembly had to be replaced around the 22 month point as it started to display an intermittent problem, blink abnormally.    See video below of the abnormal blinking and this was also an intermittent problem…sometimes no problem; other times a problem.   

 

My BYD dealership replaced both assemblies for free….takes around 30 minutes to change a tail light assembly….the entire assembly is replaced as there is no repair/replacement of just the faulty string of LEDs within the assembly.  And a faulty left or right faulty turn signal assembly may cause the long "hatchback" part of the car's light to mess up also; however, the long hatchback light assembly does not need replacement because once the left/right turn light assembly is replaced every light then works properly again....just some electronics in the turn light assembly that also partly affects/controls the long hatchback light.

 

Steering problem:  Steering wheel “clunking” sound when doing a low speed (i.e., below 20KmH) “sharp” turn.  Steering still works fine, turns smoothly, etc.,…it’s just a "clunking sound occurs" on low speed, sharp turns.   This only occurred at any intersection/turn where you need to do an approximate 45 to 90 degrees turn…..driving faster than 20KmH or making turns approximately less than 45 degrees and there is no clunking sound.  This problem began to appear round the 12 month point and slowly got more frequent and louder, but I kept putting off having my dealership take a look at the problem since it was a minor thing….I keep waiting until I had another reason to visit the dealership.  Only the driver will probably hear and notice the sound since their hands are on the steering wheel….but if you ask a passenger to listen closely they can hear it also.  I had this problem fixed at the 22 month point when the right turn signal assembly was replaced. 

 

This “clunking” sound is caused by the “intermediate steering shaft” that connects to the bottom of your steering wheel column and another steering link that goes thru the floor board to the steering assembly under the car/in the engine area.  This intermediate steering shaft is around a half meter in length with an universal joint on each end.  If you would make a fist and then measure the distance between your fist and your elbow that’s the approximate length of the intermediate steering shaft including the u-joints.  This intermediate steering shaft is kinda like a infant-sized drive shaft.   This steering shaft makes possible a 45 degree change in angle between the bottom of the steering column and the connecting link down on the floor board.   The clunking sound develops because the U-joints wear-out a little causing a “clunking” sound while making a low speed, “sharp” turn.  It’s not dangerous…it’s just a sound that is not supposed to be there and can bug a person.   If you Google “BYD Atto intermediate steering shaft clunking sound” you’ll will come across posts and some videos on the subject.

 

And you will also probably also see a bunch of weblinks talking about steering shaft noises "on all kinds of vehicles….old and new vehicles of numerous brands/models”….it’s not an uncommon problem with many vehicles.  And if you run across one Youtuber guy in Oz who made two videos (episodes 111 and 114 I think it was) on his wife’s Atto steering clunking sound the first two minutes of episode 111 does good job describing the sound but then he goes off on a tangent for the remaining part of that video and also a follow-up video (episode 114).  By going off on a tangent I mean he blames/thinks the problem is caused by the steering shaft “within the collapsible steering column” and he starts calling that shaft (which is not the problem) the intermediate steering shaft.   This Youtuber felt it might be unsafe to drive to his BYD dealership a couple hours away for free repair and instead opted to have it repaired at a local garage for around $700 AUD (about 15,000 THB).  And during these two videos he never showed the actual steering shaft that was replaced….and he was apparently convinced it was the shaft “within the steering column” when I’m sure it was “not” that shaft but the shaft I described earlier.  He was just hearing the bad universal joint on the intermediate steering shaft that connects to the bottom of the steering column shaft. 

 

See below snapshot for “my new intermediate steering shaft” installed in my Atto.  You can see the shaft by looking under the dash board…it’s just above the brake pedal.  You can even buy the shaft online like on AliExpress for less than Bt2,000.  My BYD dealership replaced it when the replaced the right turn signal assembly….total time to replace both was around one and half hours….all of this repair (parts and labor) was totally free.    The dealership said this steering clunking problem only occurs sometimes on 2022-2024 models as the 2025 model has a better intermediate steering shaft and this “better” 2025 shaft is what is now used as a replacement during repairs….so, I guess my 2023 now has a little bit of 2025 model in it. 😀

 

I included some pictures of the current tire tread depth/condition of the factory/original tires (Atlas A51 Batman tires) after 52,000km.  When new the tread depth was 8mm….tread depth now is 6.4mm.  The wear nubs where the tires should be replaced are the standard 2mm in height so I still got 4.4mm of tread depth to wear-off before reaching those wear nubs which means it’s definitely time to replace the tires….will not pass a safety inspection.  Heck, I expect the tires will probably make it to 80,000 kilometers (or more).….so much for anti-EV videos saying EVs burn thru tires a lot faster than ICE vehicles. 

 

And finally, what is the State of Health (SOH) of the traction/drive battery after 2 years/52,000km?  Well, according to my own measurements and OBD2 data it's around  97.6%.   The Atto 3 Extended 60.5KWH model has a WLTP range rating of 420Km and I can still get that range.  I can get 400km or more during the hot season and a little over 440Km in the cool season just like when it was new....I drive in ECO mode almost all the time (about 99% of the time) and primarily in the greater Bangkok area and Bangkok bordering provinces with A/C set to 23C....almost always at 90KmH and below.

 

Yeap…so far my Atto has been a good car (knock on wood--my head)….no major problems or downtime….hope it stays that way....the issues described above were fixed for free (parts and labor) and took little time to repair.  Cheers.

 

 

My Atto has reached over 52,000km after 2 years of my driving

 

 

 

Left rear turn signal problem

 

 

 

Right rear turn signal problem

 

 

 

Intermediate steering shaft under the Atto dashboard....just above the brake pedal.

This is the new shaft.

 

 

Atto (Yuan) Intermediate (Cross) Steering Shaft Cost on AliExpress.  In China an Atto is called an Yuan.

 

 

Remaining tire tread depth after 52,000Km....factory/original Atlas A51 Batman tires

 

 

Tread condition

 

 

 

Close-up showing wear nubs which are 2mm in height....when reaching these 2mm wear nubs it's definitely time to

replace tires, but I still have almost 4.4 more millimeters to go before reaching those 2mm wear nubs.

 

 

Da end of this report.

 

Took delivery of the Sealion 7 about a month ago, and thought i would give an honest review, not one blinded by EV fever. My previous car was the CRV for comparison.

 

I have to say the car itself is lovely to drive, great handling, excellent acceleration as we all know, and really comfortable to drive long distances. 

 

Driving negatives, rear view mirror, very small view through the rear window and for drivers like me who use the rear view mirror all the time, this takes some getting used to and compared to the CRV, both rear and side view mirrors are smaller which gives the feeling of not being able to see enough of your surrounding environment.

 

Braking does not seem as effective even in high mode, surprising really considering how fast the thing goes.

 

I really don't like the storage under the centre consul, if you have the seat raised too high it's difficult to access, high seat also makes the seat belt awkward to close. Auto seat adjustment is a great idea but seems to work when it wants, maybe invented by scousers ?

 

Onto my real bug bear when it comes to having my first EV, long distance trips, battery capacity and charging.

 

Despite some smug MG owning board members describing charging as a wonderful experience that has no impact on time, with batteries that seem to defy logic and travel as far as the predicted mileage, my experience has been totally different,

 

At 100% the display will tell me i have up to 450 Km of happy travelling in front of me, trust me if you go above 80km/hr this drops and if you drive like most people on dual carriageways and highways and reach speeds of 120 + then the range drops drastically. Range anxiety is real on long trips.

Sure ICE drivers also have to stop during 600Km trips, but it's through choice not necessity (after one stop), also whilst it is much cheaper to charge, you should also add the cost of Lunch, afternoon coffees, late evening coffees and snacks, these all add up when the family has to wait 45+ mins for the charging to complete.

 

Availability of chargers has only been an issue during peak holiday periods (some excellent info from PIB and others on the EV charger thread) but one thing that caught me out was google maps. Travelling back it suggested a different route due to heavy traffic, this took me into the wilds of Issan where chargers were rarer than a Luton Town win. I was forced to travel back 50Km the wrong way to find a charger.

 

Overall though, despite my charging woes, which will increase as more people go EV, the S7 is a great car to drive, very cheap to run and if you have a home charger and most of your mileage is pretty local then you can't go wrong.

43 minutes ago, Bangkokhatter said:

Despite some smug MG owning board members describing charging as a wonderful experience that has no impact on time, with batteries that seem to defy logic and travel as far as the predicted mileage, my experience has been totally different,

Thanks, nice report.

 

Yea, I guess my O&A driving & charging style is a bit different.  90 kph, though do 100 kph occasionally, but doesn't really affect range much, as rarely at that speed for long periods, or 120 kph, as few spots where we go, that speed is even available.  We tend to stick to the speed limit, and yea, get passed by most everyone 

 

We seem to have plenty to keep us busy, while the car is charging,(walk the dog) and avoid holiday weekends, though lucky so far, haven't had to Q when out on the weekend.

 

Don't charge pass 90-95% at CS, as that last wee bit (5% for MG ZS) really goes in slow, 15-20 mins 

 

I'm not a big fan of some cars, very small back window or even tint on the windows, as like the view, as large as possible.   Also a big mirror user, and was taught, if you're not glancing at your mirrors every 30 ish seconds or less, then you haven't a clue what's going on around you, especially when approaching slower or stopped traffic.

 

One thing I like about the ZS's too much headroom, as it does afford a lot more glass to see out, along with large door opening for getting in / out of.  Only reason we bought the ZS, over the EP, as only 2 options then.  Same specs, just more headroom and ease of in / out, and only cost 180k more 

 

WTF 

2 hours ago, Bangkokhatter said:

Took delivery of the Sealion 7 about a month ago, and thought i would give an honest review, not one blinded by EV fever.

 

thank you for your report. many people who drive their first electric car have similar experiences to yours. after a few months, you’ll see some things differently ...

- i’ve been driving the sl7 awd for about nine months now. at first, i also had to get used to the limited rear visibility, but today it’s no longer an issue ...

- the driver’s seat only moves back when you switch off the car, it doesn't when you only open the door ...

- so far, i’ve never experienced range anxiety. i usually drive in eco mode and drive not so often on highways, which is why my average consumption of 15.8 kwh per 100 km is quite low. on my monthly roundtrip about 450km i have still 10% left at home!  the consumption "sweet-point" for the sl7 seems to be around (only) 80 km/h ... 

- the sl7 charges fastest between 10% and 50%; after that, the charging power decrease, especially after 80% ...

- make sure to choose charging stations with sufficient capacity ,150 kw or more.  be aware, if two cars share one charger, the charging speed is cut in half ...

- the charging infrastructure in thailand is today really good, but you’ll need some time and experience to find the best charging strategy (when / where/ how long) for yourself ...

 

enjoy your byd sealion 7 ... 🙂
 

3 hours ago, Bangkokhatter said:

Took delivery of the Sealion 7 about a month ago, and thought i would give an honest review, not one blinded by EV fever. My previous car was the CRV for comparison.

 

I have to say the car itself is lovely to drive, great handling, excellent acceleration as we all know, and really comfortable to drive long distances. 

 

Driving negatives, rear view mirror, very small view through the rear window and for drivers like me who use the rear view mirror all the time, this takes some getting used to and compared to the CRV, both rear and side view mirrors are smaller which gives the feeling of not being able to see enough of your surrounding environment.

 

Braking does not seem as effective even in high mode, surprising really considering how fast the thing goes.

 

I really don't like the storage under the centre consul, if you have the seat raised too high it's difficult to access, high seat also makes the seat belt awkward to close. Auto seat adjustment is a great idea but seems to work when it wants, maybe invented by scousers ?

 

Onto my real bug bear when it comes to having my first EV, long distance trips, battery capacity and charging.

 

Despite some smug MG owning board members describing charging as a wonderful experience that has no impact on time, with batteries that seem to defy logic and travel as far as the predicted mileage, my experience has been totally different,

 

At 100% the display will tell me i have up to 450 Km of happy travelling in front of me, trust me if you go above 80km/hr this drops and if you drive like most people on dual carriageways and highways and reach speeds of 120 + then the range drops drastically. Range anxiety is real on long trips.

Sure ICE drivers also have to stop during 600Km trips, but it's through choice not necessity (after one stop), also whilst it is much cheaper to charge, you should also add the cost of Lunch, afternoon coffees, late evening coffees and snacks, these all add up when the family has to wait 45+ mins for the charging to complete.

 

Availability of chargers has only been an issue during peak holiday periods (some excellent info from PIB and others on the EV charger thread) but one thing that caught me out was google maps. Travelling back it suggested a different route due to heavy traffic, this took me into the wilds of Issan where chargers were rarer than a Luton Town win. I was forced to travel back 50Km the wrong way to find a charger.

 

Overall though, despite my charging woes, which will increase as more people go EV, the S7 is a great car to drive, very cheap to run and if you have a home charger and most of your mileage is pretty local then you can't go wrong.

I have had a Seal for nigh on two years, the rear view mirror issue is probably very similar.

Check out Sinjet  in Bangkok ( FB page has all the info ), rear view LED mirror combined with front and rear dash cams and Sentry Mode.

 

4 hours ago, Bangkokhatter said:

Onto my real bug bear when it comes to having my first EV, long distance trips, battery capacity and charging.

 

At 100% the display will tell me i have up to 450 Km of happy travelling in front of me, trust me if you go above 80km/hr this drops and if you drive like most people on dual carriageways and highways and reach speeds of 120 + then the range drops drastically. Range anxiety is real on long trips.

 

 

Don't worry...that range anxiety should pretty much disappear after you get a half year or so EV driving under your belt....you'll wonder why you ever really had the anxiety for long trips as long as you sign-up with a half dozen or so of the major charging networks like PTT EV Station Pluz, ReverSharger, Elexa, PEA Volta, EA Anywhere, Spark, Altervim, and EVolt....and there are more networks like OneCharge and iGreen+ which might come in handy.   I'm signed-up with all of above to include a couple other smaller networks. 

 

The biggest issue you might have with one or two of these networks is "payment options/methods"  as a few want a "Thai credit card" (not a debit, but a credit card).  Like Elexa now requires a Thai "credit" card to start a charging session but when paying they will offer payment via that Thai credit card or QR/PromptPay.  And some of the networks can be picky on the Thai "debit" cards they accept.   Some also accept foreign credit/debit cards.   If you are like me and don't have a Thai credit card of the "plastic" variety (unsecured or secured) TrueMoney offers a virtual credit card in coordination with TTB which works like a charm with Elexa and most charging networks....definitely signup for a TrueMoney account if you haven't already...if nothing else it comes in-handy as a payment option on these charging networks.  And with some of these networks you don't even need a debit/credit card....just use QR/PromptPay.

 

After signing up with various charging networks...especially the ones I bold texted above....a DC charger will never be too far away (of course this assumes you don't enter one of the Thailand regions where few DC chargers exist with a low SOC....like below 20% SOC). 

 

 And I would recommend installing the Charge Loma app on your phone as it focuses on "key" charging networks (not all networks) in Thailand and it has filter where you can set to display the certain networks you are signed up with.  This can give a person a great big picture view of the chargers available to them on one app as they travel throughout Thailand. 

 

I like Charge Loma better than Plug & Share because the Plug & Share filter sucks as it doesn't allow you to focus on the networks your signed up with; instead, it just shows pretty much every charger in Thailand from many networks to include networks with no names.  To me Plug&Share does not allow a person to focus on selected charging networks.   

 

Now Charge Loma does "not" show all the charging locations for each network....it always a little out of date like with the OneCharge network Charge Loma does show a lot of the OneCharge locations probably because OneCharge is pretty new and fast growing network.  Use Charge Loma for a big picture trip planning view and then use the individual charging networks to see up to date charging locations/info.    At least the Charge Loma app can give a person a quick view of chargers on a planned trip.....chargers you are most likely signed up with....can help in relieving range anxiety.  And you don't need to register with Charge Loma to use most of its function...I didn't register. 

 

 

Charge Loma app filer set to DC chargers only and to selected

charging networks which I'm registered with.

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, Pib said:

 

Don't worry...that range anxiety should pretty much disappear after you get a half year or so EV driving under your belt....you'll wonder why you ever really had the anxiety

Had it the first 2 trips out, and only registered with MG, and really no reason to worry.  Didn't last long, as there a CS just down the road now, on all major highways (1, 2, 3, 4, 11, 21, 32), and even secondary 2 or 3 number roads.

 

We almost exclusively use PTT Parks / EV Station Pluz.  PEA @ Bangchak or PEA, usually 2nd choice or MG (restricted to MG members).  Elexa is also good.   Registered on a few other, but rarely use.

 

So far, they are keeping up with demand amazingly well.  

Let's start the morning Thailand EV news with more "just around the corner" Toyota EV plans/propaganda ...with Toyota their EV plans always seem to be just around the corner.😃

 

 

https://autolifethailand.tv/toyota-ev-bev-multipathway-2030/

October 29, 2025

Updated: October 29, 2025

Toyota plans to launch 10 more fully electric vehicles in Asia within the next three years, 2025-2028, with Thailand as a key production base.

 

Toyota is gradually moving towards alternative energy sources. Past examples include European carmakers announcing they will move towards 100% electric power and phase out combustion engines by 202x, as well as government measures in many countries that have announced bans on combustion-engine cars by 202x.

 

 

Toyota is also continuing to develop 100% electric vehicles in parallel. Toyota plans to launch 10 more 100% electric vehicles in Asia within the next three years, 2025-2028.

"With production bases in Thailand and Indonesia, starting by the end of 2025."

 

 

For Thailand, the All NEW Hilux TRAVO will officially launch for the first time in the world on November 10, 2025. This is a key production base in Asia, and it will be available with 100% electric and diesel powertrain options.

The Hilux TRAVO EV, a 100% electric pickup truck, will be produced at a factory in Thailand to compensate for the import of the Toyota BZ4X from Japan under the EV3.5 measure.

 

Toyota Hilux TRAVO debuts in Thailand, the first in the world, on November 10th! World Premiere: https://autolifethailand.tv/all-new-toyota-hilux-travo-ev-bev-diesel-thailand-world-premiere/

 

 

40 minutes ago, Pib said:

Let's start the morning Thailand EV news with more "just around the corner" Toyota EV plans/propaganda ...with Toyota their EV plans always seem to be just around the corner.😃

 

 

https://autolifethailand.tv/toyota-ev-bev-multipathway-2030/

October 29, 2025

Updated: October 29, 2025

Toyota plans to launch 10 more fully electric vehicles in Asia within the next three years, 2025-2028, with Thailand as a key production base.

 

Toyota is gradually moving towards alternative energy sources. Past examples include European carmakers announcing they will move towards 100% electric power and phase out combustion engines by 202x, as well as government measures in many countries that have announced bans on combustion-engine cars by 202x.

 

 

Toyota is also continuing to develop 100% electric vehicles in parallel. Toyota plans to launch 10 more 100% electric vehicles in Asia within the next three years, 2025-2028.

"With production bases in Thailand and Indonesia, starting by the end of 2025."

 

 

For Thailand, the All NEW Hilux TRAVO will officially launch for the first time in the world on November 10, 2025. This is a key production base in Asia, and it will be available with 100% electric and diesel powertrain options.

The Hilux TRAVO EV, a 100% electric pickup truck, will be produced at a factory in Thailand to compensate for the import of the Toyota BZ4X from Japan under the EV3.5 measure.

 

Toyota Hilux TRAVO debuts in Thailand, the first in the world, on November 10th! World Premiere: https://autolifethailand.tv/all-new-toyota-hilux-travo-ev-bev-diesel-thailand-world-premiere/

 

 

Thanks, i love an early morning chortle 🤭 

Jackanory

4 hours ago, Pib said:

Let's start the morning Thailand EV news with more "just around the corner" Toyota EV plans/propaganda ...with Toyota their EV plans always seem to be just around the corner.😃

Maybe they do like Mercedes does in Europe. Take a Renault and put a Mercedes sticker on it, or put Renault Motors into the base line Mercedes cars.

So why not putting a Toyota sticker on a BYD in Thailand, seems logic to me. It would probably be a better option than to buy a "real" Toyota electric prototype thing.

On 10/28/2025 at 6:14 PM, motdaeng said:

 

thank you for your report. many people who drive their first electric car have similar experiences to yours. after a few months, you’ll see some things differently ...

- i’ve been driving the sl7 awd for about nine months now. at first, i also had to get used to the limited rear visibility, but today it’s no longer an issue ...

- the driver’s seat only moves back when you switch off the car, it doesn't when you only open the door ...

- so far, i’ve never experienced range anxiety. i usually drive in eco mode and drive not so often on highways, which is why my average consumption of 15.8 kwh per 100 km is quite low. on my monthly roundtrip about 450km i have still 10% left at home!  the consumption "sweet-point" for the sl7 seems to be around (only) 80 km/h ... 

- the sl7 charges fastest between 10% and 50%; after that, the charging power decrease, especially after 80% ...

- make sure to choose charging stations with sufficient capacity ,150 kw or more.  be aware, if two cars share one charger, the charging speed is cut in half ...

- the charging infrastructure in thailand is today really good, but you’ll need some time and experience to find the best charging strategy (when / where/ how long) for yourself ...

 

enjoy your byd sealion 7 ... 🙂
 

Thanks for the info, never realised charging slowed down the fuller the battery gets, most of the charging stations i have used have been 120 Kw, don't think i've seen 150Kw.

7 minutes ago, Bangkokhatter said:

Thanks for the info, never realised charging slowed down the fuller the battery gets, most of the charging stations i have used have been 120 Kw, don't think i've seen 150Kw.

It is called The Charging Curve, all EV’s have it i believe but all are slightly different.

 

180 kw chargers at Spark mostly located in Bangchak Pumps and ReverSharger at Shell Pumps.

23 hours ago, Pib said:

 

Don't worry...that range anxiety should pretty much disappear after you get a half year or so EV driving under your belt....you'll wonder why you ever really had the anxiety for long trips as long as you sign-up with a half dozen or so of the major charging networks like PTT EV Station Pluz, ReverSharger, Elexa, PEA Volta, EA Anywhere, Spark, Altervim, and EVolt....and there are more networks like OneCharge and iGreen+ which might come in handy.   I'm signed-up with all of above to include a couple other smaller networks. 

 

The biggest issue you might have with one or two of these networks is "payment options/methods"  as a few want a "Thai credit card" (not a debit, but a credit card).  Like Elexa now requires a Thai "credit" card to start a charging session but when paying they will offer payment via that Thai credit card or QR/PromptPay.  And some of the networks can be picky on the Thai "debit" cards they accept.   Some also accept foreign credit/debit cards.   If you are like me and don't have a Thai credit card of the "plastic" variety (unsecured or secured) TrueMoney offers a virtual credit card in coordination with TTB which works like a charm with Elexa and most charging networks....definitely signup for a TrueMoney account if you haven't already...if nothing else it comes in-handy as a payment option on these charging networks.  And with some of these networks you don't even need a debit/credit card....just use QR/PromptPay.

 

After signing up with various charging networks...especially the ones I bold texted above....a DC charger will never be too far away (of course this assumes you don't enter one of the Thailand regions where few DC chargers exist with a low SOC....like below 20% SOC). 

 

 And I would recommend installing the Charge Loma app on your phone as it focuses on "key" charging networks (not all networks) in Thailand and it has filter where you can set to display the certain networks you are signed up with.  This can give a person a great big picture view of the chargers available to them on one app as they travel throughout Thailand. 

 

I like Charge Loma better than Plug & Share because the Plug & Share filter sucks as it doesn't allow you to focus on the networks your signed up with; instead, it just shows pretty much every charger in Thailand from many networks to include networks with no names.  To me Plug&Share does not allow a person to focus on selected charging networks.   

 

Now Charge Loma does "not" show all the charging locations for each network....it always a little out of date like with the OneCharge network Charge Loma does show a lot of the OneCharge locations probably because OneCharge is pretty new and fast growing network.  Use Charge Loma for a big picture trip planning view and then use the individual charging networks to see up to date charging locations/info.    At least the Charge Loma app can give a person a quick view of chargers on a planned trip.....chargers you are most likely signed up with....can help in relieving range anxiety.  And you don't need to register with Charge Loma to use most of its function...I didn't register. 

 

 

Charge Loma app filer set to DC chargers only and to selected

charging networks which I'm registered with.

 

 

 

Based on your info on the charger thread i did download quite a few of the Apps, thanks for that.

 

However although the range anxiety may well disappear, having an EV still requires planning for long trips. Locally i have many options for DC charging, a large IGREEN is round the corner (serves the airport taxis) and plenty of PTT available.

 

But on a long trip, you have to search, maybe book, hope there is a charger available etc, and i have also found the navigation section on all Apps apart from PTT to be lacking. 

 

ICE owners have none of these issues, having said all that i would still recommend buying an EV, i believe the pro's far outweigh any cons.

17 minutes ago, Bangkokhatter said:

Thanks for the info, never realised charging slowed down the fuller the battery gets, most of the charging stations i have used have been 120 Kw, don't think i've seen 150Kw.

As mentioned by others besides the charging station needing to able to provide the EV's requested KWH during charging each EV battery has a "charging curve."  That is, throughout its 0 to 100% SOC it will only charge at a certain KW rate even if you have the EV hooked up to a gazillion KW charger.   

 

EV specs/brochures typically only quote the EV's "peak/max" charge rate which is the part of its charge curve where it can charge at the highest rate for a certain portion of it's 0 to 100% charge curve.....that peak rate is typically in the lower to mid part of the battery's  0-100% charge curve.....in the other portions of its charge curve the charge rate will be lower....and continues to go lower as it approaches 100% SOC.

 

Like for the Sealion 7 with a 84KWH battery its maximum charge rate will vary (generally taper-off in a stairstep pattern) as it charges from 0 to 100% (even if hooked-up to that gazillion KW DC fast charger as the EV tells the charger how much power it will accept).  Other EVs may have more of a linear tapering off charge curve (ski slope type curve) vs a stairstep curve....but all EV batteries have a charge curve that varies in shape.    Just like what happens when charging your smartphone battery if you were to monitor the charge wattage with an inline USB power meter or an app that displays charging power you will see the wattage charging level goes lower/taper off as it charges to a fuller state....to 100%. 

  

Sealion 7 with 84KWH Battery Charge Curve

https://evkx.net/models/byd/sealion_7/sealion_7_design/chargingcurve/

41 minutes ago, Bangkokhatter said:

But on a long trip, you have to search, maybe book, hope there is a charger available etc, and i have also found the navigation section on all Apps apart from PTT to be lacking. 

 

All the apps I'm signed up with such as PTT, ReverSharger, PEA, Spark, just all of the 10 or so charging app I use  when I  click on a charging station location within the app there will be a "Navigate" icon to click which then opens up/transfers you to Google Maps for the navigating to the charger....that navigating is all done within Google Maps and not the charging app.   

 

Now the location of that "Navigate" icon within the charging app will vary a little, but once clicking it you're transferred to Google Maps automatically for the navigation....directions all display/mapped out just like picking any location a person wants to go to.   Now I use an Android phone....if you use an Apple phone maybe it's a little different.

 

3 minutes ago, Pib said:

Sealion 7 with 84KWH Battery Charge Curve

.... be aware that the diagram you posted shows the china and europe top versions of the sealion7 with a maximum dc charging rate of 230 kw. the thailand version has a maximum dc charging rate of 150 kw ... which is better than most other bev in thailand .. 

 

4 minutes ago, motdaeng said:

.... be aware that the diagram you posted shows the china and europe top versions of the sealion7 with a maximum dc charging rate of 230 kw. the thailand version has a maximum dc charging rate of 150 kw ... which is better than most other bev in thailand .. 

 

Yes...I understand....it was used as an example only.  That website has a lot of charge curves....many times you can find your exact EV model and battery size just like sold in your country; other times you can only fine a similar model/battery size that's sold in other countries.  

Just as another EV charging curve example, below is the BYD Atto 3 Extended Range with 60.5KWH battery as sold in Thailand and many other countries.  From about 5 to 65% SOC it can charge at its max/peak charge rate of 88KWH (I've experienced up to 89.2KWH a couple of times on my Atto)...then it drops down to around 57KWH until hitting 85%.....then it drops down to around 32KWH to 100% SOC.   

 

On long trips when ever I need to top-up "and if I'm in a hurry" I typically stop charging at 85% as going from 85% to 100% goes significantly slower at a 32KWH charge rate vs 57 or 88KWH.  Plus for all my trips so far I've only needed to top-up "partially" to get back home and topping back up to 85% has given me plenty of capacity to get back home with plenty of battery charge to spare.

 

https://evkx.net/models/byd/atto_3/atto_3/chargingcurve/

 

10 hours ago, Pib said:

Let's start the morning Thailand EV news with more "just around the corner" Toyota EV plans/propaganda ...with Toyota their EV plans always seem to be just around the corner.😃

 

 

https://autolifethailand.tv/toyota-ev-bev-multipathway-2030/

October 29, 2025

Updated: October 29, 2025

Toyota plans to launch 10 more fully electric vehicles in Asia within the next three years, 2025-2028, with Thailand as a key production base.

 

Toyota is gradually moving towards alternative energy sources. Past examples include European carmakers announcing they will move towards 100% electric power and phase out combustion engines by 202x, as well as government measures in many countries that have announced bans on combustion-engine cars by 202x.

 

 

Toyota is also continuing to develop 100% electric vehicles in parallel. Toyota plans to launch 10 more 100% electric vehicles in Asia within the next three years, 2025-2028.

"With production bases in Thailand and Indonesia, starting by the end of 2025."

 

 

For Thailand, the All NEW Hilux TRAVO will officially launch for the first time in the world on November 10, 2025. This is a key production base in Asia, and it will be available with 100% electric and diesel powertrain options.

The Hilux TRAVO EV, a 100% electric pickup truck, will be produced at a factory in Thailand to compensate for the import of the Toyota BZ4X from Japan under the EV3.5 measure.

 

Toyota Hilux TRAVO debuts in Thailand, the first in the world, on November 10th! World Premiere: https://autolifethailand.tv/all-new-toyota-hilux-travo-ev-bev-diesel-thailand-world-premiere/

 

 

In the meantime, BYD moves squarely into Toyota territory on their home turf with their K-car (a Japanese only category, extra narrow for zero road tax)

 

https://carnewschina.com/2025/10/28/byds-first-k-car-racco-to-launch-with-180-km-range-and-17000-usd-in-japan/

 

5 minutes ago, mistral53 said:

In the meantime, BYD moves squarely into Toyota territory on their home turf with their K-car (a Japanese only category, extra narrow for zero road tax)

 

https://carnewschina.com/2025/10/28/byds-first-k-car-racco-to-launch-with-180-km-range-and-17000-usd-in-japan/

 

 

I'm still trying to figure out if I could even fit in such a small car.  😃

 

And one of the Japanese vehicle manufacturers commented that BYD should avoid price competition....a.k.a., us Japanese vehicle manufacturers don't like the idea of a vehicle getting cheaper.

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Suzuki also noted that BYD should “avoid engaging in price competition” as the segment becomes more crowded.

 

 

On 10/25/2025 at 8:53 PM, brfsa2 said:

Thank you! that charger looks sleek and quite check the 22kW one. can you take photos of the internal when you install it? I believe it's likely you will have to open anyways to connect the input cables.

 

The charger has been installed. If you choose to have it installed, note that the ct sensor is huge. 

 

 

https://autolifethailand.tv/official-price-discount-gac-aion-ut-oct2025/

October 30, 2025

70,000 THB discount! GAC AION UT 100% electric car. Special price: 469,900 – 599,900 THB | Lifetime battery warranty

GAC AION UT 100% electric car

GAC AION UT official price (imported CBU from China)

• UT 420 Standard  519,900  469,900 baht*
• UT 500 Premium  669,900  599,900 baht*

* Discount: 50,000 baht for the Standard model from 519,900 to 469,900 baht and discount: 70,000 baht for the Premium model from 669,900 to 599,900 baht. Free Home Charger with installation or free AC Portable Charger + V2L extension cable. Lifetime warranty on battery and motor for old and new customers. Effective 22 October - 31 December 2025.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

9 hours ago, Pib said:

 Lifetime warranty on battery and motor for old and new customers. 

 

that sounds too good to be true ... lifetime warranty on battery also for old costumers ? ... 

is it only for the GAC Aion UT model or for all model's?

 

2 hours ago, motdaeng said:

 

that sounds too good to be true ... lifetime warranty on battery also for old costumers ? ... 

is it only for the GAC Aion UT model or for all model's?

 

Aion Hyptec HT also gets a lifetime warranty on battery, motor etc, but the conditions are it's only for the first owner.

 

There's plenty of choice out there now but it seems like everyone on this forum is only interested in BYD and MG...

I sure know when going to the Aion Facebook page there are a quite a few "recent" buyers PO'ed at the price reduction....some of them saying they are going to payback X-amount less than they financed.  Yea, right, good luck with that approach when the bank shows-up to repossess the car.   Of course when I see comments like that it usually comes from people who have issues in paying back any loan or just off-the-cuff/spur-of-the-moment frustration comments.

 

I expect more and more end-of-year/motor show price cuts (EV and ICE) coming over the next month or so....going to be some good deals for "new" buyers while PO'ing a lot of "recent" buyers.

 

2 hours ago, motdaeng said:

 

that sounds too good to be true ... lifetime warranty on battery also for old costumers ? ... 

is it only for the GAC Aion UT model or for all model's?

 

When MG launch their lifetime warranty on certain models they respectively applied the lifetime warranty to customers that had purchased those models before the annoucement

GAC is doing the same major difference between GAC and MG is

MG  lifetime , ulimited km and not restricted to 1st owner

GAC lifetime 50,000 km per year and 1st owner only