Abhisit Backs Calls To End Senators’ Role In Picking Post-Election PM

[webfact]

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By Thai Newsroom Reporters

 

FORMER PREMIER ABHISIT Vejjajiva has joined ranks with pro-democracy groups in repeating calls for an end to the role of all unelected senators in voting for head of a post-election government.

 

Delivering a speech via a zoom conferencing system to Thammasat University’s Faculty of Law, the former premier advised today (May 17) that the 250 senators, handpicked by the military junta who had staged the 2014 coup, be entirely kept out of the legislative process for the picking of a prime minister following a general election for MPs as far as democratic rule is concerned.

 

For that reason, Abhisit who has earlier resigned as leader of Democrat Party and as legislator in protest of the successful naming of coup leader Prayut Chan-o-cha as head of the Palang Pracharath-led coalition government in 2019, suggested that the constitution’s Section 272 be amended to the extent that such a decisive, yet undemocratic role of the unelected senators be no longer permitted.   

 

Full story: https://thainewsroom.com/2022/05/17/abhisit-backs-calls-to-end-senators-role-in-picking-post-election-pm/

 

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[RandiRona]

9 minutes ago, webfact said:

that the 250 senators, handpicked by the military junta who had staged the 2014 coup, be entirely kept out of the legislative process for the picking of a prime minister following a general election for MPs as far as democratic rule is concerned.

So he utilized same General to crush Red shirts in 2010 and now asking him to forego the reason these 250 seats were created?? 

Also Democratic rule?? What is that in Thailand??

Edited May 17, 2022 by RandiRona

[RichardColeman]

 

45 minutes ago, RandiRona said:

Also Democratic rule?? What is that in Thailand??

Thailand is democratic - you just need to get say 376 senators elected of your party to 374 of the opposition, including the freebie lunch, pension pot unelected 250 army lot

[hotchilli]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

that the 250 senators, handpicked by the military junta who had staged the 2014 coup, be entirely kept out of the legislative process for the picking of a prime minister following a general election

The people should elect their chosen leader.. not the party.

[hotchilli]

3 hours ago, RandiRona said:

Also Democratic rule?? What is that in Thailand??

Non-existent?

[metisdead]

Off topic posts discussing UK related politics have been removed.

[mtls2005]

4 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Thailand is democratic

The Governor of Bangkok is the only elected Governor in the country. 

 

The whole thing is held together with threats, or worse, murder of their own citizens. Thanks, mark.

 

And the constitution? Oy vey. A total mess.

 

 

And the current pm is much, much, much more than a pm. He's granted himself, and had Royally conferred, many, many, many additional powers. Oh, and self-granted Amnesty in perpetuity.

 

If a real PM were "elected" they'd immediately be overthrown were they to assume 1/10th the power prayut has amassed.

 

 

[Thailand]

What’s an abhisit?

[Enzian]

He was educated in the west, and his English is perfect, better than yours or mine maybe; this might give him ideas. And he has the background in government, though it's a complex picture. 

He's right of course, but TIT.

[SomchaiCNX]

6 hours ago, RandiRona said:

So he utilized same General to crush Red shirts in 2010 and now asking him to forego the reason these 250 seats were created?? 

Also Democratic rule?? What is that in Thailand??

Red deleted you mean? It was his job as a premier to clean up the mess created by a criminal on the run. To my knowledge, he as a premier did not have his private army so he had to order the regular THai army and police to do it.

[mtls2005]

17 minutes ago, Enzian said:

He's right of course, but TIT.

Well that would be a first.

 

He fails to mention this would require constitutional reform, which would require, wait for it, Senate approval.

 

He senses limelight.

 

 

 

 

Edited May 18, 2022 by mtls2005

[Eric Loh]

56 minutes ago, SomchaiCNX said:

Red deleted you mean? It was his job as a premier to clean up the mess created by a criminal on the run. To my knowledge, he as a premier did not have his private army so he had to order the regular THai army and police to do it.

Are you making yourself clear that his job was to called on the military to violently put down the demonstrators resulting in 80 civilians killed and more than 2,100 injured? They were demonstrating for a re-election after the constitutional coup secured Ahbisit as the premier. Contrasting with the violent PDRC protestors and the military hands-off laid back attitude. You don't see the co-ordinated efforts to crash the wishes of the people. 

[Stupooey]

19 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Are you making yourself clear that his job was to called on the military to violently put down the demonstrators resulting in 80 civilians killed and more than 2,100 injured? They were demonstrating for a re-election after the constitutional coup secured Ahbisit as the premier. Contrasting with the violent PDRC protestors and the military hands-off laid back attitude. You don't see the co-ordinated efforts to crash the wishes of the people. 

Does anyone seriously still believe that Abhisit was responsible for the 80 deaths, knowing as he did that fatalities would mean political suicide for him? Just think about it, who had everything to gain and nothing to lose (except maybe 80 potential voters) from any carnage? We know that the Army were taking orders from both sides...

[scorecard]

39 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Are you making yourself clear that his job was to called on the military to violently put down the demonstrators resulting in 80 civilians killed and more than 2,100 injured? They were demonstrating for a re-election after the constitutional coup secured Ahbisit as the premier. Contrasting with the violent PDRC protestors and the military hands-off laid back attitude. You don't see the co-ordinated efforts to crash the wishes of the people. 

Not surprised that you try to twist the words, just your style. 

[Eric Loh]

11 minutes ago, Stupooey said:

Does anyone seriously still believe that Abhisit was responsible for the 80 deaths, knowing as he did that fatalities would mean political suicide for him? Just think about it, who had everything to gain and nothing to lose (except maybe 80 potential voters) from any carnage? We know that the Army were taking orders from both sides...

Well he was charged with murder connected with the miitary crackdown and only dismissed on technicality. Moreover CRES authorized the use of live ammo. and CRES was established by Ahbisit and chaired by his deputy Suthep. 

[spidermike007]

I think he is correct. The highly toxic and spectacularly corrupt senate should not be able to pick the PM. This is a horrible system, designed to steal the position against the will of the people. But Abhisit? Does this guy have any credibility? He was not much of a PM, when he had his shot. And is this the best the democrats can do?

[Enzian]

25 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

But Abhisit? Does this guy have any credibility? He was not much of a PM, when he had his shot. And is this the best the democrats can do?

It seemed to me also that he was something of a disappointment. Smart as he is, he seemed limited by his class identity and inability to think outside the box. But I'm no expert on these matters.

[oxo1947]

4 hours ago, hotchilli said:

The people should elect their chosen leader.. not the party.

I prefer the Westminster system -- where they are elected from the parliament

 

---but of course it has to be by elected members of the parliament not as it seems to be here.

 

This is the Gordie guy isn't it--- ??

 

 

Edited May 18, 2022 by oxo1947

[Eric Loh]

28 minutes ago, oxo1947 said:

I prefer the Westminster system -- where they are elected from the parliament

 

---but of course it has to be by elected members of the parliament not as it seems to be here.

 

This is the Gordie guy isn't it--- ??

 

 

Thailand legislative branch was modeled after the Westminister system until the military change the constitution in 2017 to have the upper house involvement in the election of the prime minister. Obvious reason why they re-write the constitution. 

[spidermike007]

36 minutes ago, Enzian said:

It seemed to me also that he was something of a disappointment. Smart as he is, he seemed limited by his class identity and inability to think outside the box. But I'm no expert on these matters.

From what I hear, his youth was also an issue, as the older (supposedly wiser and self anointed senior ministers) guys would not listen to him, and made life hard for him. 

[candide]

9 hours ago, RandiRona said:

So he utilized same General to crush Red shirts in 2010 and now asking him to forego the reason these 250 seats were created?? 

Also Democratic rule?? What is that in Thailand??

Not sure who utilized whom.... see my next post

[candide]

4 hours ago, SomchaiCNX said:

Red deleted you mean? It was his job as a premier to clean up the mess created by a criminal on the run. To my knowledge, he as a premier did not have his private army so he had to order the regular THai army and police to do it.

He did what he was told to do. He could just have done what Yingluck did: dissolve parliament and organise elections. That's what democratic governments do when they are perceived as being illegitimate.

 

Why didn't he do that and instead made a vague promise of elections in November? Because he wanted to be able to appoint the next army chief in September 2010 (what the red shirts wanted to prevent by having elections earlier). Who did he appoint? Prayut, who was in charge of the army in Bangkok when protesters were killed. 

PS That could not also be more clear

"However, at the official handover ceremony on Thursday, General Prayuth warned that the army was ready to play a role if there were further conflicts and Thailand failed to return to order."

https://learngerman.dw.com/en/thailands-new-army-chief-takes-office/a-6066746

Edited May 18, 2022 by candide

[spidermike007]

27 minutes ago, candide said:

He did what he was told to do. He could just have done what Yingluck did: dissolve parliament and organise elections. That's what democratic governments do when they are perceived as being illegitimate.

 

Why didn't he do that and instead made a vague promise of elections in November? Because he wanted to be able to appoint the next army chief in September 2010 (what the red shirts wanted to prevent by having elections earlier). Who did he appoint? Prayut, who was in charge of the army in Bangkok when protesters were killed. 

PS That could not also be more clear

"However, at the official handover ceremony on Thursday, General Prayuth warned that the army was ready to play a role if there were further conflicts and Thailand failed to return to order."

https://learngerman.dw.com/en/thailands-new-army-chief-takes-office/a-6066746

Likely the worst selection possible. Could they have possibly found a guy with less leadership ability and less nobility, and more thirst for power and wealth? I doubt it. 

 

Woe is Thailand under his so called leadership. 

[SomchaiCNX]

3 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Are you making yourself clear that his job was to called on the military to violently put down the demonstrators resulting in 80 civilians killed and more than 2,100 injured? They were demonstrating for a re-election after the constitutional coup secured Ahbisit as the premier. Contrasting with the violent PDRC protestors and the military hands-off laid back attitude. You don't see the co-ordinated efforts to crash the wishes of the people. 

THey were paid to demonstrate by the coward who fled the country. Killing 80 of his followers is just peanuts for that guy. You had another 3000 during is war on drugs and another 100 + Moslims in the south while he was prime minister. His sister tried to change laws as well in his favour. His brother in law served as his puppet as well. The list of criminal activities of that family is to long to mention on this forum. Without that person the army would not have had any excuse to interfere. He is the main cause of all this mess I know you think different, have read your well prepared replies on many occasions. 

[hotchilli]

2 hours ago, oxo1947 said:

This is the Gordie guy isn't it--- ??

❓

[SomchaiCNX]

3 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Well he was charged with murder connected with the miitary crackdown and only dismissed on technicality. Moreover CRES authorized the use of live ammo. and CRES was established by Ahbisit and chaired by his deputy Suthep. 

Your friend and his family was charged with a lot more, but sometimes the maid and the driver took the blame, than his wife or other family members etc. Probably your friends charged him with murder to kill his political career. They even started rumors about his nationality, education and military service, remember?

 

[SomchaiCNX]

2 hours ago, Enzian said:

It seemed to me also that he was something of a disappointment. Smart as he is, he seemed limited by his class identity and inability to think outside the box. But I'm no expert on these matters.

One word "Money" he had not the amount available to pay for his personal promotion, to buy votes and popularity unlike the criminal family that he replaced.

[SomchaiCNX]

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Thailand legislative branch was modeled after the Westminister system until the military change the constitution in 2017 to have the upper house involvement in the election of the prime minister. Obvious reason why they re-write the constitution. 

So if I read it well you are in the same page as Abhisit? He wants that part to be changed again. Make up your mind please ????

 

[oxo1947]

27 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

❓

Sorry Hotchilli--- slipped back into English slang--- Geordie = someone born in or near Newcastle north England.

 

 

 

Edited May 18, 2022 by oxo1947

[zzaa09]

11 hours ago, RandiRona said:

So he utilized same General to crush Red shirts in 2010 and now asking him to forego the reason these 250 seats were created?? 

Also Democratic rule?? What is that in Thailand??

With all the time lapse, it appears that too many have forgotten who Marky really is and is feeling left out, betrayed by the club.