Pfizer’s Covid Vaccine Protection Against Omicron Fades Just Weeks After Second And Third Doses, Study Finds

 

I got my Pfizer shot as a booster for AZ last month. I am sure many of us have the same combination. So, our protection against Omicron is going to be a distant memory.

 

I guess some would argue that T-cell immunity is more important than having antibody protection, but that’s a question for scientists.

Stop relying on faulty pharmaceutical products and let your natural immune system do the work. I have had zero shots and I am doing just fine.

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Which proves nothing. 

Well it does prove that this was complete and utter BS:

Biden warns of winter of 'severe illness and death' for unvaccinated due to Omicron

Danderman - couldn't get into your link due to an ad-blocker but your news is bad as it means that Pfizer as a 4th dose now makes little sense - is it played out? We are still awaiting news of 4th doses of vaccines other than Pfizer?

 

I couldn't access your link due to an ad blocker but saw this before - "Now that Israel has been delivering a fourth dose for several months, researchers have some data to rely on to assess its effectiveness. There are three studies that have been released so far, one which has not yet been peer-reviewed. In one study published in the New England Journal of Medicine, scientists assessed the rates of infection and severe illness after a fourth dose – or second booster – among more than a million people ages 60 and older in Israel. The researchers found that after a fourth dose, the rate of COVID-19 infection was two times lower than after a third dose. However, this protection quickly waned after six weeks."

https://www.sciencealert.com/an-epidemiologist-explains-whether-you-ll-be-needing-a-second-booster-in-the-future

 

Re this : "I guess some would argue that T-cell immunity is more important than having antibody protection, but that’s a question for scientists." With respect I think the power and duration of killer T-cells is widely acknowledged by Scientists already and crucial to some new cancer treatments for example.

2 shots of AZ, then I 'caught' covid, quite mild thankfully.

 

Wont be bothering with any more shots the way things stand after nature's own booster.

 

Cant hide behind these 'vaccines' for ever...

Interesting article.  I now understand why I had a mild case of Covid in April.  I had the J&J shot last June in the US.  Last December then again this January I got my Pfizer shots here in Thailand.  I had a little bit of a fever along with a sore throat and coughing.  The fever was gone after the first day and the rest of the symptoms were gone in 3 days.  I tested myself 2 times on day 1 and both were negative.  My wife made me retest on  day 3 and that’s when I got the positive results.  After day 3 I felt fine but continued to test positive for 5 more days.  I isolated myself until I tested negative.  My wife never got sick.

6 minutes ago, Dogmatix said:

Glad to hear you are still alive.  Many of your co-believers are not.

*Yawn* Best of luck to you.

Presumably Moderna fares little better but one of the problems of relying on T-cells alone is that each after about 40 years old we are no longer producing any more T-cells and each new COVID infection massively depletes them.  That means COVID creates a rapid aging effect on the immune system.  If this is true, it is worth getting as much antibody protection from vaccines as we can, as long as it is still even marginally effective against prevailing variants. The link below explains this theory.  Try to form your own opinions, although we have to accept that we don't have enough information.

 

https://twitter.com/KashPrime/status/1495481300219830279?t=bMN-fvC7TGpNvBVGIQoELQ&s=09

1 hour ago, mikosan said:

Who cares what Biden says?

Ah, the classic "who cares" argument. Here is what I posted a couple of days ago in another thread:

 

I find it very interesting that each time I demonstrate a falsehood in claims made by proponents of the Covid shots, I end up being told "So what?", "Who cares?" or something similar. Clearly the concept of factual accuracy is flexible according to whether it suits one's stance or not.

Let's see deaths per vaccination status for that time period for the proof...

 

13 minutes ago, mrfill said:

Let's see deaths per vaccination status for that time period for the proof...

 

So, winter is December, January and February, right?   the graph shows a strong peak right in the middle of winter. Biden was exactly on the money. He's only repeating what his scientific advisors told him anyway. Listening to the experts I thinks its called. Makes a refreshing change.

 I know two unvaccinated persons that has died from covid, Ok one passed away before Vaccine was widely available, and he had very early stage of Diabetes, died at 52 Year old,  the other one my friends son died at 24 and he was against any kind of vaccine, the rest of the family was vaccinated and just suffered from mild symptom's. He had no known underlaying conditions and was in very good health.

22 minutes ago, LukKrueng said:

The problems with many of the new researchers published ever since vaccines came out is that most of them don't show conflict of interests between the researchers and Pfizer. Pfizer is donating a lot of money to many of the health institutions in which those researchers work so it is all baissed. A lot of data that conflicts with the wanted results is being omitted. They don't show raw data so other scientists can't really check the numbers. Most of the Israeli published researchers are published by health ministry official in accordance to the contract between Israel and Pfizer - a contract that has been sealed for 30 years...

Indeed, this is the core issue. In a nutshell:

 

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Impossible to get un-biased info on the vaccines. I've had 2 AZ and 1 Pfizer. No reaction following the jabs apart from feeling a bit knackered but that's hardly abnormal for an old git like myself. There are, however, disturbing reports of some people experiencing fading, and some suffering extreme reactions post-vaccination.

15 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

Impossible to get un-biased info on the vaccines. I've had 2 AZ and 1 Pfizer. No reaction following the jabs apart from feeling a bit knackered but that's hardly abnormal for an old git like myself. There are, however, disturbing reports of some people experiencing fading, and some suffering extreme reactions post-vaccination.

There's also a few disturbing reports about people who didn't get the vaccine at all.

41 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Fact check: Outdated interview used to make false claim about BioNTech CEO’s vaccination status

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/12/08/fact-check-biontech-ceo-has-been-vaccinated-against-covid-19/6422233001/

 

What is so hard for you to understand about the difference between getting covid and dying/becoming seriously ill from covid?

What do you not understand about the fact that USA Today is run by a Gates Foundation-funded company (Gannett)? Do you know what conflict of interest means?

17 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

Impossible to get un-biased info on the vaccines. I've had 2 AZ and 1 Pfizer. No reaction following the jabs apart from feeling a bit knackered but that's hardly abnormal for an old git like myself. There are, however, disturbing reports of some people experiencing fading, and some suffering extreme reactions post-vaccination.

So, you know that it's impossible how? You've examined the various statistical analyses performed by researchers and relevant authorities and have come to the informed opinion that their conclusions are invalid? 

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20 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Did you actually read the article? It links to a Times of London interview with the head of Biontech, The article also links to the fact that that the head of biontech explained in that interview took place onf Dec 22 and the vaccine wasn't even available in Germani until Dec 26. These are all facts which can be independently verified. Instead you trust in sources which  leave out crucial information in order to convey a false impression. Why would you trust such sources?

Not sure what sources you are referring to. Any media receiving millions of dollars in grants from an organisation with an open and active pro-vaccination agenda does not qualify as independent and credible.

23 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Run by a charity, where's the conflict of interest? Can you point to any falsehood published by USA Today? Can you establish that there was some editorial interference? Or are you just putting brown stuff out there because of some delusion that there might be a 1 in a trillion chance that you are right?

The said media has received hundreds of millions of dollars in grants from an organisation with an open and active global pro-vaccination agenda. Any content published by the said media in the field of vaccination therefore does not qualify as independent or credible.

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

My question to you was can you point to anything reported by the publication which is false or demonstrates editorial interference?

My answer to you was I do not read media with blatant conflicts of interests.

50 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

There is no conflict of interest. You are peddling conspiracy theories and nothing more. You are an anti vaxxer with an agenda to attempt to discredit any publication running a responsible pro vax line while unable to point to any falsehoods or wrongdoing.

 

The shoe on the other foot is that it's likely that every anti vax publication is funded by organisations with an anti vax agenda. Show me a anti vax publication which isn't making money out of a far right agenda and an anti vax stance.

I'm not going to waste any more time here. Good luck.

10 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Is AP also in on the conspiracy?

Posts cite old interview to falsely claim BioNTech CEO isn’t vaccinated

"AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. Social media posts are misrepresenting an interview that Sahin gave in December 2020. He received the vaccine the next month, a company spokesperson confirmed."

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-germany-idUKKBN28Q0PE

I'm not going to waste any more time here. Good luck.

A post with false or misleading information has been reported and removed. 

12 hours ago, placeholder said:

So, you know that it's impossible how? You've examined the various statistical analyses performed by researchers and relevant authorities and have come to the informed opinion that their conclusions are invalid? 

Not at all. Simply, in words you may be able to understand, it will take time to fully audit the outcome of the various vaccination programmes. Have a nice day.

Just now, Thingamabob said:

Not at all. Simply, in words you may be able to understand, it will take time to fully audit the outcome of the various vaccination programmes. Have a nice day.

Clearly, what you're referring to is, is the alarmisn promoted by anti covid vaxxers that there could be some long term latent effects from the vaccines. No vaccine has ever been know to result in long term latent effects. But it's not at all uncommon in the case of viral infections. In fact, it turns out that those who came down with covid and seemed to make a full recovery have a higher incidence of coronary events than those who didn't. 

22 hours ago, sungod said:

2 shots of AZ, then I 'caught' covid, quite mild thankfully.

 

Wont be bothering with any more shots the way things stand after nature's own booster.

 

Cant hide behind these 'vaccines' for ever, everyone is going to get it at some point.

And that is why you got the vaccine .... vaccines will not repell the virus . If you do get in contact with it , you might get infected/sick . The difference is that your body now comes in contact with something it is suppose to remember , thx to the vaccine . This way , your body will react faster to find the infected cells in your body and you do get less sick . It boosts your natural own defense . Would you have been more sick when not being vaccinated , well in individual cases , it is impossible to know . In general population , yes , dramatic reduction in serious illness / death .

23 hours ago, sungod said:

2 shots of AZ, then I 'caught' covid, quite mild thankfully.

 

Wont be bothering with any more shots the way things stand after nature's own booster.

 

Cant hide behind these 'vaccines' for ever, everyone is going to get it at some point.

The vaccines ARE NOT to prevent you getting Covid, simply to minimise the effects of the virus. I had three Pfizers but still got it, but not so bad. So now my natural resistance should be higher.

 There have been plenty of mainstream media reports about possible side effects and even fatalities from covid vaccinations. But, unlike the way conspiracy alarmists frame the data, they are presented in the context of the total numbers of people vaccinated and the respective percentages of those who get vaccinated vs. those who don't. It's all down to innumeracy, word popularize by a mathematician named John Paulos.

"Innumeracy refers to a lack of ability to reason with numbers. The term was coined by cognitive scientist Douglas Hofstadter; however, it was popularized in 1989 by mathematician John Allen Paulos in his book Innumeracy: Mathematical Illiteracy and its Consequences."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numeracy#:~:text=Innumeracy refers to a lack,Mathematical Illiteracy and its Consequences.