Costly report into U.K. Rotherham police failings ‘lets down’ grooming survivors

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Please do go back and read the OO, you might then have an idea of what is the topic of discussion.

 

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Again, read the OP and inwardly digest.

That’s your denial and cover up. We all know why they are still trying to cover it up. They, like you, won’t admit it. 

[Chomper Higgot]

16 minutes ago, Loiner said:

 

That’s your denial and cover up. We all know why they are still trying to cover it up. They, like you, won’t admit it. 

More conspiracy nonsense and outright personal attacks.

 

Go read the OP, doing so will help you find your way back to the topic under discussion.

[simple1]

3 hours ago, Loiner said:

Resident apologist blames police and social services. 

 

Labour MP and lefty liberal journalist blames the victims. 
 

Social worker blames the police. 
 

Social worker again blames the police. 
 

Another apologist blames both police and ‘programs’
 

And another apologist blames the victims families and local society. 
 

This is classic obfuscation, everyone pointing in a different direction but not the reason why. None of them admit that the blame rests with all the authorities who would not take effective action against Pakistani Paedo Racist Rapists because of who they were. They were all afraid of the truth, that nothing is allowed that might upset that particular community, and that is still the case.  
“Let’s have a committee and a report.” That’s the best way to cover up the real cause of it all. There’s your conspiracy in action. 

You appear to believe you're entititled to insult members if they have a different view point to you; good idea for you to get a refresher on forum rules. BTW the points I raised were established by the Rutherham Report, so would be constructive, before commenting again to read the entire report.

[Bkk Brian]

4 hours ago, Loiner said:

Social worker blames the police. 
 

Social worker again blames the police. 

Hint for you, try responding to one of my posts without editing and deleting all the content leaving a snippet out of context.

Another hint for you. I am not and have never been a social worker nor have I quoted any in the reports I linked to.

 

Lastly, substantiate your claims. Or try adding something worthwhile to the topic

Edited June 23, 2022 by Bkk Brian

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5 hours ago, Loiner said:

The same crimes widespread around the county over an extended period, by the same demographic against the same demographic. 
But it’s nothing to do with the criminals ethnic background, it’s because all the different police forces for years had the same basic lack of understanding?????

 

Another apologist in denial. 

Actually, if you had bothered to read the executive summary, you will note that it cited Sheffield as a place where proper procedures were followed and this problem taken seriously.

[DeaconJohn]

It's a godawful mess.

When flagrant crimes can't be investigated and punished properly you know law enforcement is dysfunctional.

That won't last, it never does in countries where the mean IQ level is above room temperature.

An Iron Duke or an Iron Lady will take power and crack down hard.

Left Liberal Woke Loons are going to provoke a backlash that will be bad for all of us.

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1 hour ago, DeaconJohn said:

It's a godawful mess.

When flagrant crimes can't be investigated and punished properly you know law enforcement is dysfunctional.

That won't last, it never does in countries where the mean IQ level is above room temperature.

An Iron Duke or an Iron Lady will take power and crack down hard.

Left Liberal Woke Loons are going to provoke a backlash that will be bad for all of us.

Well, since presumably you're one of those people whose IQ is at least room temperature, and wouldn't make such characterizations without fax to back you up, can you please share with us the evidence that the police did not investigate these crimes because of some woke prejudice.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, DeaconJohn said:

It's a godawful mess.

When flagrant crimes can't be investigated and punished properly you know law enforcement is dysfunctional.

That won't last, it never does in countries where the mean IQ level is above room temperature.

An Iron Duke or an Iron Lady will take power and crack down hard.

Left Liberal Woke Loons are going to provoke a backlash that will be bad for all of us.

If you bother reading the report you will learn the reasons for the police, child services and city authority failures.

 

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2 hours ago, placeholder said:

Well, since presumably you're one of those people whose IQ is at least room temperature, and wouldn't make such characterizations without fax to back you up, can you please share with us the evidence that the police did not investigate these crimes because of some woke prejudice.

Apparently the auto spell corrector felt that I meant "fax" not "facts". Apparently it is still living in the 2nd half of the 20th century. Where I wish I could be. 

[Chomper Higgot]

20 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Apparently the auto spell corrector felt that I meant "fax" not "facts". Apparently it is still living in the 2nd half of the 20th century. Where I wish I could be. 

Well why shouldn’t you, given others wish to go back to the 1930s.

[Loiner]

5 hours ago, placeholder said:

Actually, if you had bothered to read the executive summary, you will note that it cited Sheffield as a place where proper procedures were followed and this problem taken seriously.

Sheffield, the exception that proves the rule. One city that did something? Why did all the others shirk from prosecution of members of a community they do not want to upset? They didn’t need these procedures you hide behind. We have laws against it. 

[Loiner]

24 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

If you bother reading the report you will learn the reasons for the police, child services and city authority failures.

 

The report is the cover up. Mistruth and misdirection is the left’s modus operandi. 

We know why they all failed, they didn’t want to upset the Pakistani community and didn’t want to be labelled racist. 
 

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Sheffield, the exception that proves the rule. One city that did something? Why did all the others shirk from prosecution of members of a community they do not want to upset? They didn’t need these procedures you hide behind. We have laws against it. 

We also have a report into the failures.

 

You’ll find answers in it.

 

On the matter of Sheffield, a firmly left wing community that definitely hits the high bell on the ‘woke scale’.

 

Sheffield is the example that demonstrated the ridiculousness of your blaming the ‘left’, ‘woke’, ‘the media’.

 

Read the report.

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, Loiner said:

The report is the cover up. Mistruth and misdirection is the left’s modus operandi. 

We know why they all failed, they didn’t want to upset the Pakistani community and didn’t want to be labelled racist. 
 

More head in the sand conspiracy nonsense.

 

Or 
 

Trolling.

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Sheffield, the exception that proves the rule. One city that did something? Why did all the others shirk from prosecution of members of a community they do not want to upset? They didn’t need these procedures you hide behind. We have laws against it. 

Do you believe in magic? I'm asking because you seem to believe that repeatedly asserting something is so, makes it so. Where is your evidence that the police were motivated by racial considerations? If you can't back up your assertions with evidence, that means that all you've got is your unsupported opinion. Just because you believe something strongly that doesn't make it so.

 

Laws just don't automatically get enforced. It takes effort, organization, and resources.  Why do you think that police organize their departs by the category of crime. Robber, Fraud, Homicide, etc. The whole point of the report was to show that the police in Rotherham didn't have a clue about the laws and how to enforce them and didn't have a system in place to do that. . Repeated instances were cited where officers asserted that these girls were old enough to be responsible for the situation they found themselves in. Or that the police disregarded the situation these girls were in because they came from a strata of society that is not highly regarded.

 

You've got nothing.

 

 

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[Loiner]

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

The whole point of the report was to show that the police in Rotherham didn't have a clue about the laws and how to enforce them

So Rotherham police and all those other forces don’t have a ‘Rape Department’? I think you would find that other ethnicities are prosecuted for rape in those towns. You know, the ones where the police would not be accused of being racist. 
The whole point of the report was a cover up for the woke councils and police. It has failed to accomplish that, unless of course you think these heinous crimes need to be brushed under the carpet. 
“Mistakes were made and lessons learned.” is their feeble excuse of a lie.  

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5 minutes ago, Loiner said:

So Rotherham police and all those other forces don’t have a ‘Rape Department’? I think you would find that other ethnicities are prosecuted for rape in those towns. You know, the ones where the police would not be accused of being racist. 
The whole point of the report was a cover up for the woke councils and police. It has failed to accomplish that, unless of course you think these heinous crimes need to be brushed under the carpet. 
“Mistakes were made and lessons learned.” is their feeble excuse of a lie.  

"I think you would find that other ethnicities are prosecuted for rape in those towns.You know, the ones where the police would not be accused of being racist."

Just more proof of my contention that you think repeating something often enough makes it a fact. I got news for you: it doesn't.

[Bkk Brian]

16 minutes ago, Loiner said:

So Rotherham police and all those other forces don’t have a ‘Rape Department’? I think you would find that other ethnicities are prosecuted for rape in those towns. You know, the ones where the police would not be accused of being racist. 
The whole point of the report was a cover up for the woke councils and police. It has failed to accomplish that, unless of course you think these heinous crimes need to be brushed under the carpet. 
“Mistakes were made and lessons learned.” is their feeble excuse of a lie.  

A rape department? Really, even without reading the report a layman would know that police have specialist teams that deal with Child Abuse that of course includes rape.

 

What makes you think that the police favoured prosecuting non asians and where are the stats for that. Because if there was a network of non asians doing the same thing we would know about it right?

 

I've not noticed a post from you yet with facts, just pure speculation

[Loiner]

13 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Just more proof of my contention that you think repeating something often enough makes it a fact. I got news for you: it doesn't.

Lest we forget. Another report and attempted cover up will not hide what they’ve been doing, all in the interest of diversity. 

[Chomper Higgot]

27 minutes ago, Loiner said:

So Rotherham police and all those other forces don’t have a ‘Rape Department’? I think you would find that other ethnicities are prosecuted for rape in those towns. You know, the ones where the police would not be accused of being racist. 
The whole point of the report was a cover up for the woke councils and police. It has failed to accomplish that, unless of course you think these heinous crimes need to be brushed under the carpet. 
“Mistakes were made and lessons learned.” is their feeble excuse of a lie.  

Yet more conspiracy nonsense to cover the gap between your biased preconceptions and reality.

 

Nobody thinks these Heinous crimes should be brushed under the carpet.

 

Prosecutions were brought and people did get sent to prison.

 

 

[Loiner]

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

What makes you think that the police favoured prosecuting non asians and where are the stats for that.

Not so such favoured prosecuting non asians, but your same stats show they dare not prosecute those Asians, specifically men of Pakistani origin. 
Some cities like Bradford dare not even pull them for the atrocious driving standards there. 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Loiner said:

Not so such favoured prosecuting non asians, but your same stats show they dare not prosecute those Asians, specifically men of Pakistani origin. 
Some cities like Bradford dare not even pull them for the atrocious driving standards there. 

Study of England, Scotland and Wales dispels myth of ‘Asian grooming gangs’ popularised by far right

The majority of child sexual abuse gangs are made up of white men under the age of 30, an official paper has said.

The report, which covers England, Scotland and Wales and summarises a range of studies on the issue of group-based child sexual exploitation (CSE), also known as grooming gangs, said there was not enough evidence to conclude that child sexual abuse gangs were disproportionately made up of Asian offenders.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

25 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Not so such favoured prosecuting non asians, but your same stats show they dare not prosecute those Asians, specifically men of Pakistani origin. 
Some cities like Bradford dare not even pull them for the atrocious driving standards there. 

I see you’ve now moved on to Pakistani driving in a completely different town to which the report under discussion relates.

 

Begs a question.

[simple1]

Some members may find the following report of number of convicted sexual offenders by ethnicity (2011 - 2016) of interest, puts matters into perspective. There maybe a later report from HMG, over to you...

 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/659701/number-convicted-sexual-offenders-by-ethnicity-tables.xlsx

Edited June 24, 2022 by simple1

[Loiner]

21 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I see you’ve now moved on to Pakistani driving in a completely different town to which the report under discussion relates.

 

Begs a question.

The question is “How and why are they allowed to get away with it?”

We already know the answer. 

[Loiner]

22 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Some members may find the following report of number of convicted sexual offenders by ethnicity (2011 - 2016) of interest, puts matters into perspective. There maybe a later report from HMG, over to you...

 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/659701/number-convicted-sexual-offenders-by-ethnicity-tables.xlsx

When the authorities turn a collective blind eye to the problem, of course there will be fewer convicted offenders.  That is the whole problem and how it is covered up. 

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Just now, Loiner said:

When the authorities turn a collective blind eye to the problem, of course there will be fewer convicted offenders.  That is the whole problem and how it is covered up. 

Still firing blanks.

[James105]

33 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Some members may find the following report of number of convicted sexual offenders by ethnicity (2011 - 2016) of interest, puts matters into perspective. There maybe a later report from HMG, over to you...

 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/659701/number-convicted-sexual-offenders-by-ethnicity-tables.xlsx

So your revelation is that in a country where the the percentage of white people is about 85% the majority of offenders are white?   This is outstanding research.   It comes as no surprise to anyone that in a country where 85% of people are white that 85% of the offences are committed by white people.  

 

However, the crime mentioned in this report is specifically grooming/rape gangs.   Since 2% of the UK population is south Asian then you would expect that 2% of the rape/grooming gangs would be South Asian - right?   Wrong.  This group makes up 84% of the rape/grooming gang crimes.     

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/quilliam-grooming-gangs-report-asian-abuse-rotherham-rochdale-newcastle-a8101941.html

[James105]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Study of England, Scotland and Wales dispels myth of ‘Asian grooming gangs’ popularised by far right

The majority of child sexual abuse gangs are made up of white men under the age of 30, an official paper has said.

The report, which covers England, Scotland and Wales and summarises a range of studies on the issue of group-based child sexual exploitation (CSE), also known as grooming gangs, said there was not enough evidence to conclude that child sexual abuse gangs were disproportionately made up of Asian offenders.

 

 

Honestly, you were criticising me earlier for using biased sources and you have supplied a link from the Guardian to support your claim.   Of course the majority of offenders will be white as the UK is a majority white country.    But when comparing the percentage of rape/grooming gang offenders of a certain ethnicity compared to the percentage living in the UK it is vastly disproportionate.   

 

Having such low expectations of a certain ethnicity and because of that turning a blind eye to their crimes is just another form of racism.   

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1 minute ago, James105 said:

Honestly, you were criticising me earlier for using biased sources and you have supplied a link from the Guardian to support your claim.   Of course the majority of offenders will be white as the UK is a majority white country.    But when comparing the percentage of rape/grooming gang offenders of a certain ethnicity compared to the percentage living in the UK it is vastly disproportionate.   

 

Having such low expectations of a certain ethnicity and because of that turning a blind eye to their crimes is just another form of racism.   

Once again the unsupported claim is made that the police turned a blind eye to the sexual abuse of children because of the ethnicity of the perpetrators. You have evidence that this is what motivated the SYP's failures?