KIngsofisaan Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 Just now, KIngsofisaan said: Do you really think these folks can afford to travel? Man, so many people have no idea how many people in rural Isaan actually have to live like this and are lucky to eat each day. As far as being lazy, lets see you and your wife survive this for one 10 hour day when it is 40c outside! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, KIngsofisaan said: Do you really think these folks can afford to travel? Man, so many people have no idea how many people in rural Isaan actually have to live like this and are lucky to eat each day. Must have been richer them most . Many people can only afford bamboo huts . Bamboo huts where you can see through the "wall" Those block houses would be luxurious for some and BTW , not a good idea to use one of those stoves inside , can cause death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banana7 Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 (edited) On 7/28/2022 at 2:33 PM, OneMoreFarang said: Somehow I get the impression you want to analyze this situation with logic. That's a hilarious idea. There are logical reasons why the OP's business experiences high employee turnover and the owner/operator is asking for help to retain employees. Nothing is hilarious about it, he wants a prosperous business. As others have identified, the 500 baht monthly lunch money is sufficient cause to leave. A half decent Thai lunch costs 50-70 baht. Many places provide a lunch in-house, to make it more convenient for the employees and avoid cash payouts. Many Thai people do want to work for a decent employer and a decent wage. I know of businesses in Thailand (Pattaya) where about half the staff have been with the company for 10 years or more, before COVID-19. There are numerous critical success factors to retain employees and the OP's business is missing some of them, all very logical Edited August 1, 2022 by Banana7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gk10012001 Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 16 hours ago, StevieAus said: I think you are wrong about people not looking ahead. Why do you think so many want to work for the government whether local, national or whatever.? Its because unless they commit a criminal act, they have a job for life. They generally work five days a week, receive all the public and religious holidays off work with pay, sick pay , holiday pay and a pension when they retire. well yes. and as I was saying, that is why your average shop or business can't retain people. A few lunches here and there don't seem that notable after a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampant Rabbit Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 5 hours ago, KIngsofisaan said: Do you really think these folks can afford to travel? Do you really think I have no experience............right now theres a huge amount of those "poor" conning employers that if they pay ther travel fares down they will come mostly for farm work, read ome of the facebok "wanted " ads for workers............guess what, they get sent the money and dont show. As I mentioned I have had people on this forum tell me they have someone good for the job, Ive paid the fares down, theyve been useless. When they do turn up "if they do" they arrive with nothing, want paying daily, which we do, they get through about 2-3 months max then off they go...........later youll find out they have no job again form relatives in the village. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampant Rabbit Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 5 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Must have been richer them most . Many people can only afford bamboo huts . Bamboo huts where you can see through the "wall" Those block houses would be luxurious for some and BTW , not a good idea to use one of those stoves inside , can cause death And those "poor" ALL have a phone, never seen staff without one ever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampant Rabbit Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 5 hours ago, KIngsofisaan said: As far as being lazy, lets see you and your wife survive this for one 10 hour day when it is 40c outside! Heres where many make the mistake with ME that I tell them (staff) what to do..I dont Im out there doing it, day in day out for over 10 years, building houses, digging trenches, laying block ,welding roofs, weeding, in 40c sometimes where you burn your knees on the steel but closing in on 60 its getting harder for me, saying that the youngsters have no gumption. You get used to it and its NOT that hard you just get on with it, first thing I look for in new workers is calloused hands like mine, often theyre puppy soft so i know they havent done any manual work. Its me doing the work the staffs only job is either to mix the concrete ( concrete mixer) and bring it to me or cleaning up tools after Im done. Only thing I couldnt do was the rendering which I got some locals in for. Some of the recentish things Ive done built a garage 12 mx4, did everything and finally laid tiles . None of them have much in the way of skills I just want someone to keep it tidy bring and fetch stuff pass me things so their work is often watching me and nothing else, until I need a new mix or cleaning up but its me laying the tiles grouting putting up ceilings etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoreFarang Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Banana7 said: There are logical reasons why the OP's business experiences high employee turnover and the owner/operator is asking for help to retain employees. Nothing is hilarious about it, he wants a prosperous business. As others have identified, the 500 baht monthly lunch money is sufficient cause to leave. A half decent Thai lunch costs 50-70 baht. Many places provide a lunch in-house, to make it more convenient for the employees and avoid cash payouts. Many Thai people do want to work for a decent employer and a decent wage. I know of businesses in Thailand (Pattaya) where about half the staff have been with the company for 10 years or more, before COVID-19. There are numerous critical success factors to retain employees and the OP's business is missing some of them, all very logical You must be one of the rare people who understand Thai logic. With higher educated Thais there is of course some logic. But with people in low paid jobs most of us have difficulties to understand the. And, as I mentioned above, it seems many workers don't know themselves what they want and will do in a few weeks time. How can anybody predict what they will do if they don't even know themselves? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henryford Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 I always told my tgf to leave as soon as she got paid without notice. If she gave notice there would be big reductions in her salary up to the leaving date. I am sure you wouldn't do that though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieAus Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 7 hours ago, gk10012001 said: well yes. and as I was saying, that is why your average shop or business can't retain people. A few lunches here and there don't seem that notable after a while Some business seem to retain them. Where I live in Northern Chiang Mai Province I see the same people working for the same business and they have been there more than ten years, maybe they are looked after. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIngsofisaan Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 8 hours ago, Rampant Rabbit said: Heres where many make the mistake with ME that I tell them (staff) what to do..I dont Im out there doing it, day in day out for over 10 years, building houses, digging trenches, laying block ,welding roofs, weeding, in 40c sometimes where you burn your knees on the steel but closing in on 60 its getting harder for me, saying that the youngsters have no gumption. You get used to it and its NOT that hard you just get on with it, first thing I look for in new workers is calloused hands like mine, often theyre puppy soft so i know they havent done any manual work. Its me doing the work the staffs only job is either to mix the concrete ( concrete mixer) and bring it to me or cleaning up tools after Im done. Only thing I couldnt do was the rendering which I got some locals in for. Some of the recentish things Ive done built a garage 12 mx4, did everything and finally laid tiles . None of them have much in the way of skills I just want someone to keep it tidy bring and fetch stuff pass me things so their work is often watching me and nothing else, until I need a new mix or cleaning up but its me laying the tiles grouting putting up ceilings etc. No you haven't been building houses out in the 40c sun for 10 years, sorry. It might have taken you 10 years to do some simple building project others could do in a couple days (as shown) You have shown 1 simple project Pretty arrogant of you to compare that to someone who spends their entire life out in the direct sun cutting crops Not sure how laying tile indoors is the same thing? Odd thing is there is no photos of you doing anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtrnuno41 Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 Well you never know. I know a guy in Philippines, did school in medical job. Paid by his mom. He graduated and could even have a job teaching in medical job. No, he became a barista. A docu on tv showed me a child in Africa, 10 years old, doing hard labor, carrying 20 kg bags, 12 hours /day for just a dime. No parents, just had to do it to provide(?) for himself. In other countries kids cant do work and certainly not at his age and the work. And there were more kids doing that "job". He was about the youngest. And certainly not "nice" leading personnel, which of course were adults. Already red from Thailand, hotels couldnt get workers, even paying them way more. Still Thai go to Finland to pick berries, it seemed it had some improved, but you have to travel there, making first costs. Now in "my" country, we have lack of all working people. Nurses, police, teachers, operators, doctors, but also working hands in kitchens of restaurants or serving. Also at the airport there is a shortage on luggage handlers and security people. There can be lines of people waiting OUTSIDE for a 100 meter or more. I red salary went down in years from 3500 to 2200 euro. It is a miracle there are still security personnel working there. Maybe independent workers then, as they ask way much more. However more airports in EU having that problem. Why you have that problem in your business, i cant say. But saying "i will teach her a lesson" mentality is not a good way in running your business. I can understand your emotion, but just stick to business wise. Accept, do what you have too do and leave it. And why they are running away? The answer my friend is blowing in the wind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patman30 Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 (edited) On 7/29/2022 at 8:29 AM, steven100 said: you really think a thai girl coming from an Issan rice farm is going to care about breaking the contract ? what will they do .... track her down and put her in jail .... Lol they break the contract, you don't pay them......duh as you are no longer legally oblidged too i bet you think work manuals are a waste of time also LOL who is talking about putting anyone in jail get a life ????♂️ Edited August 3, 2022 by patman30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven100 Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 3 hours ago, patman30 said: they break the contract, you don't pay them......duh as you are no longer legally oblidged too i bet you think work manuals are a waste of time also LOL who is talking about putting anyone in jail get a life ????♂️ if you go back to my comment, I was referring to a poster who mentioned she would void her contract if she didn't go back .... please try to keep up ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack71 Posted August 3, 2022 Author Share Posted August 3, 2022 6 hours ago, patman30 said: they break the contract, you don't pay them......duh as you are no longer legally oblidged too i bet you think work manuals are a waste of time also LOL who is talking about putting anyone in jail get a life ????♂️ contracts in thailand are not worth much. they would be completely ignored by any worker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnybangkok Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 13 hours ago, jack71 said: contracts in thailand are not worth much. they would be completely ignored by any worker Not true but yes, getting someone to fulfill their notice period can be difficult and since it’s rarely worth much, it wouldn’t be worth the hassle to enforce. It’s still a good idea to have a solid employment contract though for all other things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patman30 Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 On 8/3/2022 at 7:08 PM, jack71 said: contracts in thailand are not worth much. they would be completely ignored by any worker you can withhold bonuses and any extras etc. to be paid later they break contract, they lose money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampant Rabbit Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 On 8/1/2022 at 5:58 PM, KIngsofisaan said: No you haven't been building houses out in the 40c sun for 10 years, sorry. It might have taken you 10 years to do some simple building project others could do in a couple days (as shown) You have shown 1 simple project Pretty arrogant of you to compare that to someone who spends their entire life out in the direct sun cutting crops Not sure how laying tile indoors is the same thing? Odd thing is there is no photos of you doing anything? Wait you want the whole ten years shown...... well ok, well house 6 years ago includes 100metre trench to main house, concreting round the pond by hand, mixed by hand before had concrete mixer,footings for electric gate, footings for ONE of the FOUR houses I built on this plot, building the house for my staff who then left, all they did was mix and tidy still me laying block welding etc.............you want more ok interiror of the staff house after painting tiling etc...........still more , never satisfied eh, talking <deleted> as ususal like many with no idea, one of my two wells all done by me except for the hole drilling, all plumbing by me....... thats just a fraction and then theres the garden 6 rai covered in stone 6 inches deep.yeah that was real fun 20 tons a day spread by hand in a barrow took me months and months, but hey you MUST be right one person could easy do that lot in an afternoon right i mean its only 20 ton a day, day in day out..notice the drainage ditches again did 4 panels a day by hand, re roofing one of the houses with metal sheet..so before you comment feel free to come down and have a look at what "one small project" is.....finally an overview of 10 years almost single handed...4 house 400 trees and associated pipewrok for watering.........yeah easy peasy 10 minutes in an afternoon should do it.............pah you know nothing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampant Rabbit Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 On 8/1/2022 at 5:58 PM, KIngsofisaan said: You have shown 1 simple project Goodness yeah just a small 15 rai project that any <deleted> could knock up in an afternoon......... 22.mp4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre0720 Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 Then why is it that so many of the staff of Super Cheap Mini-marts close by have been there for many many years. Always the same people at the cash registers, and always the same guys stocking the more heavy goods. Certainly not motivated by the salary.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampant Rabbit Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 On 8/1/2022 at 5:58 PM, KIngsofisaan said: Odd thing is there is no photos of you doing anything? <deleted> me you really are unbelievable Ill remove my head.yeah thats me sanding the ceilings inside the first house.guess i just threw some dust on meself for the photo eh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIngsofisaan Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, Rampant Rabbit said: <deleted> me you really are unbelievable Ill remove my head.yeah thats me sanding the ceilings inside the first house.guess i just threw some dust on meself for the photo eh Were you the one comparing this to working out in the hot sun in the fields 10 hours a day? Looks like you need to work a little harder and get some of that weight off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampant Rabbit Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, KIngsofisaan said: Were you the one comparing this to working out in the hot sun in the fields 10 hours a day? Looks like you need to work a little harder and get some of that weight off! Youre so funny................lets see your work then....nah didn think so, armchair warrior......sure i put an umbrella ove rthe whole land whislt i was doing the stone laying..christ your such a stupid <deleted> Thanks for reminding me why I stopped posting on Thai Visa <deleted>.that should do it Edited August 5, 2022 by Rampant Rabbit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveAustin Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 On 7/28/2022 at 10:41 PM, nightfox said: Like anything in life, you get what you pay for. Give them a reason to stay by paying them a bit more then the average minimum wage and you will see your revolving door be less revolving. Did you read the op? ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveAustin Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 On 7/29/2022 at 3:49 PM, Jimjim1 said: Did you ACTUALLY read his post especially about what he pays them and provides for them daily?? This to the poster, Sir you can not buy loyalty as you have found, so really in my estimation you are paying too much and the provisions you make for them will not make them show respect for you in the slightest, the Thai’s have no understanding of all that you do, and that is why the hi so’s and super rich only pay what is the going rate. Your generosity to your staff will not be considered by them and you will not gain any empathy with them, the thoughts in the back of their heads is that you are a buffalo and that is why they walk away from the employment you provide. My advice is to rewrite your contract of employment with clear and concise details in Thai pointing out that if they remove themselves from your employ without giving adequate reason and or notice they will not be paid any outstanding salary. From the moment they sign the agreement they are responsible for their actions and if they do not show up or simply leave, you send a copy of that agreement with the particular paragraph hi lighted to their telephone so there is no way back for them. You may still experience a high staff turn over but at least you may retain them for a notice period, however you must watch the closely should they be predisposed to cause damage or insult your customers during the notice period In the interim pay close attention to your current staff and if you notice a slowing down of the efficiency of any one of them that is when you sit them down with a friendly Thai person NOT yourself or any one related to you who you can trust and let him/her find out what is going on in their psyche causing them to leave, you can then take steps to correct the issues. Trusting that you read this, I hope it is helpful to you Bingo! Someone who understands. Most posters are talking tat or act like they just got off the boat. Thais, esp min wage, will leave at the drop of a hat in ANY field and with ANY kind of employer. Doesn’t matter how well they’re treated. I esp agree with this post; you pay them over the odds and it typically fosters laziness and to act above their station and not respect the boss. Of course, if the work is boring and in an unpleasant setting will play a huge roll in turnover. I sympathise with the op… sounds at the end of his tether. As much as I love them, I could not have a business here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightfox Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, daveAustin said: Did you read the op? ???? Sure did and sounds like he is not paying enough compensation or not providing enough incentives to keep his staff and sorry if you think 500 bht a month lunch allowance is generous. Suggest you learn more about Thai culture and understand how Thais think. Edited August 5, 2022 by nightfox 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gk10012001 Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 On 8/1/2022 at 5:45 AM, StevieAus said: Some business seem to retain them. Where I live in Northern Chiang Mai Province I see the same people working for the same business and they have been there more than ten years, maybe they are looked after. I have seen some hotel staff working many years at the same place in Pattaya also (In Town Holiday, Flipper Lodge or House (that never smiling lady). Also in bangkok seen a few of the same at Nana hotel over the last 10 or more years. Domocile restaurant in Pattaya had the Thai fellow that spoke German, now moved over to Brauhaus a few years ago. Not saying it doesn't happen. Needs the right circumstances, friends or relatives of the owner or his/her wife, etc. Or sometimes they are compensated OK and prefer to stay. For non skilled over the counter type of jobs, well... catch as catch can 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbmjc Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 Just landed ? 5555.... Treat them as they treat you, minimum pay, no extra, do your job or leave. After so many years I really understand why Thai companies treat them like $$hit, because anyway, whatever you do for them, they won't return ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbmjc Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 On 7/28/2022 at 10:57 PM, dia1 said: Every employee is a human with ambitions and goals this one made me LOL ! hahahahaha, can't stop ! thank you ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbmjc Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 On 7/31/2022 at 11:41 AM, Mac Mickmanus said: Its not true though . Its compulsory for Thai kids to attends school and 85 % of Thais stay in school until they are 15 and 75% go onto further education another joke of the day ! hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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