1 minute ago, DezLez said:

What have either of them done right? (or in non political terms I should say - correct?)

Off topic and irrelevant, I'm afraid.

3 minutes ago, baboon said:

Off topic and irrelevant, I'm afraid.

You mean both Blair and "Sir" please don't remind me I accepted the thing!

9 minutes ago, DezLez said:

If it is not the "London Allowance" then what is it?

The "Greater Khan GLA Tax Rebate" perchance?

It’s another Liz Truss U-Turn.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/02/liz-truss-u-turns-plan-cut-public-sector-pay-outside-london-tory-leadership

 

LOL

4 minutes ago, baboon said:

Off topic and irrelevant, I'm afraid.

As is your comment!

27 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Hounded out of elected office by a left and MSM witch hunt. 
Shamefully anti democratic. 

You're sounding like Trump, deluded and deranged. Should Boris ask the faithful to storm Parliament? For the hundredth time, the Tories lost safe seats because traditional Conservative supporters couldn't stomach the lies of Boris anymore.

A leader has to be seen to lead by example but Johnson's flagrant disregard of Covid rules demonstrated to a large part of the Tory base how morally corrupt he is.

He was deposed by his own party and Cabinet..

37 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Blair and Starmer got a free pass. Boris didn’t actually do anything worth the press hysteria. 

Not from The Times, Telegraph, Express, Mail, Spectator, Wired, etc. they don't.

 

When the PM lies, that's not newsworthy?

4 minutes ago, DezLez said:

You mean both Blair and "Sir" please don't remind me I accepted the thing!

I have no idea what you are talking about.

1 minute ago, bannork said:

He was deposed by his own party and Cabinet..

He was not deposed by his party.  He was deposed by SOME Tory MP's!

Just now, DezLez said:

He was not deposed by his party.  He was deposed by SOME Tory MP's!

The ones he had hand picked to serve in his cabinet.

1 minute ago, DezLez said:

He was not deposed by his party.  He was deposed by SOME Tory MP's!

Stabbed in the back. 
Left to the party membership we would not be having this situation. 

6 minutes ago, bannork said:

Tories lost safe seats because traditional Conservative supporters couldn't

See through the media frenzy. Plus by-election blues, there’s often a slap on the wrist at mid term. 

Just now, Loiner said:

See through the media frenzy. Plus by-election blues, there’s often a slap on the wrist at mid term. 

There was no media frenzy. Just reports of his lies, corruption and incompetence from the Tory leaning MSM. His party ousted him because of his lies, corruption and incompetence, once they realised how toxic he was among the voting public.

3 minutes ago, baboon said:

I have no idea what you are talking about.

 The titles they both accepted but "appear" not to use when it suits them;

"Sir Anthony Charles Lynton Blair KG" and  "Sir Keir Rodney Starmer KCB QC "   

Both of course common working men of the "labouring" class!

10 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Stabbed in the back. 
Left to the party membership we would not be having this situation. 

Then blame the Conservative Parliamentary party for Johnson's demise, not the media.

7 minutes ago, RayC said:

Then blame the Conservative Parliamentary party for Johnson's demise, not the media.

I think you have got that the wrong way round!

 

18 minutes ago, DezLez said:

I think you have got that the wrong way round!

 

No, I'm 100% certain that I'm correct.

 

Did Johnson announce his resignation after a meeting with the DG of the BBC or the Chairman of the 1922 committee?

16 minutes ago, DezLez said:

The link may use the word "lies" in it but please note that the article only uses, quite correctly, the word "misleading".

Please find me a politician who has never made a "misleading" statement.

I would also be interested to see if you can find a politician, or anyone for that matter, including possibly yourself, who has never lied?

If he was 'lying' he was not fit for office, if he was 'misleading' parliament then he was still not fit for office, given the number of occasions it happened.

31 minutes ago, baboon said:

There was no media frenzy.

Oh yes there was. There still is one about the next PM. 

28 minutes ago, RayC said:

Then blame the Conservative Parliamentary party for Johnson's demise, not the media.

Without the constant media hyperbole and barrage for comment, opinion and “What are you going to do about it, aren’t you going to resign?” none of the parliamentary party would have done anything at all.

Unless they wanted the top job maybe?

4 minutes ago, RayC said:

If he was 'lying' he was not fit for office, if he was 'misleading' parliament then he was still not fit for office, given the number of occasions it happened.

You did not answer either of my questions!

8 minutes ago, RayC said:

If he was 

As you say   "IF"!

6 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Oh yes there was. There still is one about the next PM. 

Oh no there wasn't. Media outlets reporting news is not a 'frenzy'.

Unless you count the Daily Mail, (the paper that supported Hitler) running 13 consecutive Beergate headlines.

Starmer was cleared. Will you condemn the Mail's "Witchunt"? 

1 hour ago, baboon said:

Will you condemn the Mail's "Witchunt

Yes. Why wouldn’t I? They were also part of the frenzied witch hunt.

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

Without the constant media hyperbole and barrage for comment, opinion and “What are you going to do about it, aren’t you going to resign?” none of the parliamentary party would have done anything at all.

If you are correct then Tory MPs didn't have the courage to stand by their conviction that Johnson was the best leader. Why should the electorate vote for this type of person?

 

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

Unless they wanted the top job maybe?

In this case if you are correct, then they are self-serving opportunists. Again, why should the electorate vote for this type of person?

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

No, honestly, completely bored discussing that topic .

Move on, Boris is going , someone new will take over . 

Agreed, it is boring. But perhaps you would be better addressing your comment to Loiner and others, who insist on repeating the falsehood that Johnson was ousted by the media rather than his parliamentary colleagues.

3 minutes ago, RayC said:

addressing your comment to Loiner and others, who insist on repeating the falsehood

You may have missed the media circus while pontificating from afar about Boris your current object of hate. We saw it all, in every medium possible, incessantly I’ll bet you only ever read the Garuniad reports about him. 

1 hour ago, DezLez said:

You did not answer either of my questions!

Ok. Yes, most (all?) politicians have made misleading statements at some point, but it is the sheer number of times - and the fact that Johnson continued to mislead (lie?) when he had been rumbled - that makes him unfit for office.

18 minutes ago, RayC said:

must have been the straw that broke the camel's back so far as his parliamentary colleagues were concerned

The straw that broke the camel’s back was the coordinated resignation of Sunak and Javid. As Boris might have said “Et tu Rishi?”

58 minutes ago, RayC said:

If you are correct then Tory MPs didn't have the courage to stand by their conviction that Johnson was the best leader. Why should the electorate vote for this type of person?

 

In this case if you are correct, then they are self-serving opportunists. Again, why should the electorate vote for this type of person?

Because they are still much better than Labour politicians. 

53 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Because they are still much better than Labour politicians. 

Let's see what the electorate thinks at the next election.