POLITICS Trump says FBI raiding his Mar-a-Lago home

[Walker88]

4 hours ago, michael87 said:

Do you believe inflation is zero % for July as reported by WH and Joe Biden? You may also believe the "nuclear connection" leak at the Mar-A-Lago doc stash. The DOJ/FBI raid is being gradually exposed as a fishing expedition.

 

 

I understand math and economics might be difficult for you, but I'll try to dumb it down and explain the 0% inflation number released the other day. Perhaps you didn't notice that people with actual knowledge of economics and data---many who work on Wall Street---loved the number and hence started a massive stock market rally. That is because they understand it; you do not.

 

Here you go:

 

The number is the month-on-month change. That means the basket of goods used in the inflation calculation cost no more in July 2022 than in June 2022. That means that the current inflation rate fell to zero. That is how the numbers are always released, as they were even when 45 was POTUS. The key is reading the release, not just seeing a number you don't like and making incorrect assumptions that reflect quite poorly on you.

 

Think of it like a derivative in calculus. Rate of change over a specified period. Or think of it like a car......over the last year you might have been accelerating from 0-60mph, but in the last month, no acceleration took place. You were going 60mph in June and still going 60mph in July. I'll say it again: this is the same methodology used when 45 was POTUS; you just never paid attention so remained willfully clueless.

 

Anyway, the point is the important people who need to understand the number do, hence the stock market rally. Those baffled by math are always going to be baffled. Sorry.

Edited August 12, 2022 by Walker88

[LaosLover]

Uh, he's just asking questions?

 

Random, fact-avoiding, change the subject-questions?

[LaosLover]

Man, nothing convinces me of something more than putting a dramatic BREAKING: in front of it.

 

Consider me sold.

[heybruce]

35 minutes ago, michael87 said:

He don't need my money, but if you were thinking rationally you certainly would. He's gonna be your next POTUS w/wo you. So, better to join em cuz you'll never beat them. 

Definitely trolling.

[Chomper Higgot]

The FBI were looking for classified documents relating to Nuclear Weapons.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/12/fbi-search-trump-mar-a-lago-home-classified-nuclear-weapons-documents-report

 

 

[The Hammer2021]

On 8/9/2022 at 8:27 AM, JonnyF said:

Of course it was politically motivated. They are terrified of him returning to power and are desperate to find something on him. Anything will do.

 

It's a shame the FBI weren't so thorough when given Hunter Biden's laptop.

Or Hilary Clinton's server!

[Jingthing]

7 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

Hooker? Have you ever actually  talked  to a Thai  girl? Aggressive? On the contrary they are frequently  stand offish.

But if you wish to consider greed and aggression I suggest  you examine  the last 200 years of  American  foreign  policy.  Trump was a Saint compared to other American  presidents who war mongered,  invaded,  napalmed and destabilised countries like mad political rapist.

He just divided his own country and moved it towards authoritarianism and inflamed domestic right wing terrorists. America First!

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3 hours ago, nauseus said:

"Trump will no doubt be opposing the application".

 

If you catch up as soon as you can you might make it before your edit time elapses.

On the other hand, until Garland announced that he was going to apply to have the contents of the warrant revealed, Trump didn't offer to release it himself. Why is that? Looks like Garland called his bluff.

[The Hammer2021]

Dodgy search warrant-flaky

signatories- Biden  has blown it by weaponising the DOJ

[Jingthing]

19 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

Or Hilary Clinton's server!

She cooperated. No equivalence.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

On the other hand, until Garland announced that he was going to apply to have the contents of the warrant revealed, Trump didn't offer to release it himself. Why is that? Looks like Garland called his bluff.

Yeah he may present as a milquetoast but he is a force to be reckoned with.

[Walker88]

Since this is not classified, I will give some additional insight into what could have prompted the warrant.

 

The most sensitive nuclear related material is kept under locked guard in a part of the West Wing. Only a few individuals have access to it. It is SAP classification, as in Special Access Program. That means above both TS and Codeword classification. There are only hard copies, and their number is known. Disposition of a copy would have to be recorded, so the number is always known. The material is not uploaded into any of the usual systems.

 

Anyone with a need to know is monitored when viewing the material, and when finished the copy is put back into the secure holding area. Access is recorded.

 

If this is the level of material 45 took, it would not only be known that a copy is missing, there would be a record of who took it and when they took it. Thus, if 45 took it toward the end of his term after his defeat, that fact would be known. it has been revealed that one of the FBI agents involved is the Chief of FBI Counterintel. he would only be involved if the material sought had major natsec implications.

 

If this is what 45 was keeping in a basement of MaL, not only is it a felony, but it represents a massive threat to the security of the US. It would be the height of recklessness. It is a brazen stupidity the likes of which is almost unimaginable. The documents under that hardened cover in the WH encompass a number of things, from weapons systems themselves, to strengths and vulnerabilities assessed in the US' own nukes, to US assessment of the strengths and vulnerabilities of both allies and adversaries' nukes, to a kind of nuke 'order of battle' in the event the nukes were ever put into action.. It would not be outlandish to say the Chinese or Russians would pay billions of dollars for these documents. There may not be more valuable documents anywhere in the US.

 

If this is what comes out, it is hard to imagine any but the most captured and sycophantic 45 supporters still standing by him.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, The Hammer2021 said:

Dodgy search warrant-flaky

signatories- Biden  has blown it by weaponising the DOJ

Now I don't have to watch Fox.

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

You really need to open your eyes:

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/16/politics/fact-check-dale-top-15-donald-trump-lies/index.html

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/

 

Final tally of lies: Analysts say Trump told 30,000 mistruths – that’s 21 a day – during presidency

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/trump-lies-false-presidency-b1790285.html

 

 

You really need to read back.

[placeholder]

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

I believe that this "serial liar", as you brand him, was at least as fit to serve as any of his recent predecessors, who lied just as regularly, as does this latest one in the line right now.

Has any previous President lied so repeatedly and flagrantly as Trump has about the elections? Of course you wouldn't buy his lies about the 2020 Presidential election being stolen but tens of millions do

[nauseus]

9 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

 

 

9 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Since this is not classified, I will give some additional insight into what could have prompted the warrant.

 

The most sensitive nuclear related material is kept under locked guard in a part of the West Wing. Only a few individuals have access to it. It is SAP classification, as in Special Access Program. That means above both TS and Codeword classification. There are only hard copies, and their number is known. Disposition of a copy would have to be recorded, so the number is always known. The material is not uploaded into any of the usual systems.

 

Anyone with a need to know is monitored when viewing the material, and when finished the copy is put back into the secure holding area. Access is recorded.

 

If this is the level of material 45 took, it would not only be known that a copy is missing, there would be a record of who took it and when they took it. Thus, if 45 took it toward the end of his term after his defeat, that fact would be known. it has been revealed that one of the FBI agents involved is the Chief of FBI Counterintel. he would only be involved if the material sought had major natsec implications.

 

If this is what 45 was keeping in a basement of MaL, not only is it a felony, but it represents a massive threat to the security of the US. It would be the height of recklessness. It is a brazen stupidity the likes of which is almost unimaginable. The documents under that hardened cover in the WH encompass a number of things, from weapons systems themselves, to strengths and vulnerabilities assessed in the US' own nukes, to US assessment of the strengths and vulnerabilities of both allies and adversaries' nukes, to a kind of nuke 'order of battle' in the event the nukes were ever put into action.. It would not be outlandish to say the Chinese or Russians would pay billions of dollars for these documents. There may not be more valuable documents anywhere in the US.

 

If this is what comes out, it is hard to imagine any but the most captured and sycophantic 45 supporters still standing by him.

And if all this is so serious and true, then why have they taken 18 months to take action?

Edited August 12, 2022 by nauseus

[riclag]

 

That "original " newsweek story with the source/informer saying Garland didn't know about the raid or something to that effect  , has been corrected.

 

"6:30 p.m.: A quote about Garland's role was deleted after the attorney general himself addressed the issue".

 

 So much from that reliable source informer imop

https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-informer-told-fbi-what-docs-trump-was-hiding-where-1732283

Edited August 12, 2022 by riclag

[nauseus]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Has any previous President lied so repeatedly and flagrantly as Trump has about the elections? Of course you wouldn't buy his lies about the 2020 Presidential election being stolen but tens of millions do

Just elections now? Goal posts on wheels again.

[LosLobo]

6 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

And if all this is so serious and true, then why have they taken 18 months to take action?

The wheels of justice turn slowly, but grind exceedingly fine!

[placeholder]

6 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Just elections now? Goal posts on wheels again.

Just? Really? It's a huge lie that he constantly repeats.

[The Hammer2021]

16 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Since this is not classified, I will give some additional insight into what could have prompted the warrant.

 

The most sensitive nuclear related material is kept under locked guard in a part of the West Wing. Only a few individuals have access to it. It is SAP classification, as in Special Access Program. That means above both TS and Codeword classification. There are only hard copies, and their number is known. Disposition of a copy would have to be recorded, so the number is always known. The material is not uploaded into any of the usual systems.

 

Anyone with a need to know is monitored when viewing the material, and when finished the copy is put back into the secure holding area. Access is recorded.

 

If this is the level of material 45 took, it would not only be known that a copy is missing, there would be a record of who took it and when they took it. Thus, if 45 took it toward the end of his term after his defeat, that fact would be known. it has been revealed that one of the FBI agents involved is the Chief of FBI Counterintel. he would only be involved if the material sought had major natsec implications.

 

If this is what 45 was keeping in a basement of MaL, not only is it a felony, but it represents a massive threat to the security of the US. It would be the height of recklessness. It is a brazen stupidity the likes of which is almost unimaginable. The documents under that hardened cover in the WH encompass a number of things, from weapons systems themselves, to strengths and vulnerabilities assessed in the US' own nukes, to US assessment of the strengths and vulnerabilities of both allies and adversaries' nukes, to a kind of nuke 'order of battle' in the event the nukes were ever put into action.. It would not be outlandish to say the Chinese or Russians would pay billions of dollars for these documents. There may not be more valuable documents anywhere in the US.

 

If this is what comes out, it is hard to imagine any but the most captured and sycophantic 45 supporters still standing by him.

IF IF IF....BS More like

[Walker88]

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

 

And if all this is so serious and true, then why have they taken 18 months to take action?

They have asked repeatedly. 45 said 'we returned everything'. 12 boxes on Monday says he lied....again. Owing to the extreme sensitivity and unprecedented nature, going through the process was difficult. Make too much stink, and adversaries would know what's at MaL and they would be joining the club in droves. Sometimes in matters so sensitive, discretion is needed, lest it alert the bad guys. Apparently it finally became too much of a threat to wait any longer.

 

As a former case officer, if I was instead, say, FSB/SVR and had assessed the moral weakness of 45 and his known penchant for pure self-interest, I would have joined MaL and assessed it for weaknesses, tried to find access agents to help me exploit it....whatever it took to get close to what I suspected was there. 45 and his family are at best witting fools, and at worst, totally for sale. As a spook those are the kind of hooks one seeks and the personal weaknesses one tries to exploit.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

12 minutes ago, nauseus said:

You really need to read back.

To what do I need to read back to exactly, here is what you said:

 

"I believe that this "serial liar", as you brand him, was at least as fit to serve as any of his recent predecessors, who lied just as regularly, as does this latest one in the line right now."

 

Here is what I provided to refute your nonsensical claim:

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/16/politics/fact-check-dale-top-15-donald-trump-lies/index.html

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/

 

Final tally of lies: Analysts say Trump told 30,000 mistruths – that’s 21 a day – during presidency

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/trump-lies-false-presidency-b1790285.html

[xylophone]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

To what do I need to read back to exactly, here is what you said:

 

"I believe that this "serial liar", as you brand him, was at least as fit to serve as any of his recent predecessors, who lied just as regularly, as does this latest one in the line right now."

 

Here is what I provided to refute your nonsensical claim:

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/16/politics/fact-check-dale-top-15-donald-trump-lies/index.html

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/

 

Final tally of lies: Analysts say Trump told 30,000 mistruths – that’s 21 a day – during presidency

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/trump-lies-false-presidency-b1790285.html

No matter what you say and no matter what is proven coming from the mouth of the orange liar/conman, his ardent followers just won't believe it, so it would seem to be a waste of time pointing this out to the Kool-Aid gang.

 

And just to add another layer to this, I noticed on the news yesterday that some trump supporters outside of his "fortress" were waving flags which said, "We Won" – – I don't believe you get any more stupid than this, but then again they are trump supporters!

[LaosLover]

44 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

Or Hilary Clinton's server!

Wow, look at that ancient shiny object over there (Bengazi!!!!!! -it's never not appropriate).

 

No, do not look -ever- at the trouble my fattie friend is in, look elsewhere. I'm begging you.

 

Don't make me yell Bengazi again.

 

[LaosLover]

28 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

weaponising the DOJ

-Looking forward to The Daily Show montage of po-face republicans saying weaponizing in a faux-concerned way.

 

Like Trump didn't beg Barr to help him with absurdist -bordering on Dada-ist election claims.

[nauseus]

7 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

They have asked repeatedly. 45 said 'we returned everything'. 12 boxes on Monday says he lied....again. Owing to the extreme sensitivity and unprecedented nature, going through the process was difficult. Make too much stink, and adversaries would know what's at MaL and they would be joining the club in droves. Sometimes in matters so sensitive, discretion is needed, lest it alert the bad guys. Apparently it finally became too much of a threat to wait any longer.

 

As a former case officer, if I was instead, say, FSB/SVR and had assessed the moral weakness of 45 and his known penchant for pure self-interest, I would have joined MaL and assessed it for weaknesses, tried to find access agents to help me exploit it....whatever it took to get close to what I suspected was there. 45 and his family are at best witting fools, and at worst, totally for sale. As a spook those are the kind of hooks one seeks and the personal weaknesses one tries to exploit.

 

 

The requests were supposed to be from NARA. I said serious. You are not answering seriously but rather speculating again.

[Lacessit]

21 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

And if all this is so serious and true, then why have they taken 18 months to take action?

Because executing a search warrant is the last resort, when you are negotiating with a former President who lies and obfuscates when asked to return official documents. He's been doing that for 18 months. IMO the search warrant was only issued after the FBI produced iron-clad evidence Trump still had documents, Garland is a cautious person and would not have signed off on anything less.

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, Paul Catton said:

however he did walk in the DMZ to shake hands with "Rocket Man"

That is regarded as befriending an evil dictator and legitimising a fascist regime .

[LaosLover]

27 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

And if all this is so serious and true, then why have they taken 18 months to take action?

Translation: "I...I forgot about all the pleading the DOJ has been doing for the last 18 months. A coconut fell on my head, you see. Just like they warned me about in my old Lonely Planet book.